Getting ahead of the next big issue. Improve beginners experience.

Look. Right now everyone wants to take shots at DFS and hammer those of us who have played for some time. Those of us who put in time to learn this great game. Those of us who have had a little success (me) and those who have had great success.
Believe me, I understand how hard it is to make the transition from season long to daily. It’s not easy. That said. People getting in now are fortunate. There is so much more information out there, it’s ridiculous. RotoGrinders being one of the best resources.

While I’m the type of person that thinks everyone should earn what they get out of of life, I understand we live in a world that wants everything for nothing. I’m NOT for making the game easier. I’m NOT for only single-entry to help the new folks. I’m sorry, single-entry is not going to save you if you can’t make good lineups and don’t put in your own original product. Could we reduce the multi-entry limit? Sure, that’s another good conversation.

What I am for is this:

DFS sites need to promote and offer more beginner tournaments (single or multi-entry). They don’t have to be huge. In fact, they probably won’t fill since everyone chooses to chase the big money. This gives the new player a clearer option while not dumbing down the game. If you choose to chase the big money, you are in with the best of the best. If you want to take your time and learn with similar competition, you can join the beginner leagues and work your way up with experience. Just know, at some point, YOU WILL NOT BE A BEGINNER ANYMORE and you will have to play with folks who take this game seriously.

I know they have beginner games now, but they are not promoted well or emphasized by sites. There’s something to be said about going the extra mile. Are they doing enough offering the beginner games they have already? Maybe the bare minimum, but why not do a little more showing a good faith effort to offer folks an opportunity to have a little more success while they learn.

To be clear. These tournaments would NOT replace the big GPPs we all love. It’s just a better more emphasized option.
At what point is someone no longer viewed as a beginner? That would be up to the sites to decide. It would be cool if they used new user data to help determine that (success rate and entry fee levels). Maybe all the sites could talk about the topic to help determine the definitions of rookie and veteran. Maybe they could share user info so someone from another site doesn’t clean up in a rookie contest when they first join a new site.

A lot of folks are taking negative shots at DFS and some folks don’t want to talk about all the issues. Let’s take what’s happened that last few days and come out of this strong and positive. All constructive ideas should be on the table. Get out ahead and show you care. To those that think this idea would hurt your ROI. I’m sorry, it might at first, but it’s good in the long run. Also, just know. Most people will still choose to play for the big money, this just makes it crystal clear that you are in with all experience levels when you do that.

By the way. THIS WOULDN’T BE A TOPIC IF DFS WASN’T A GAME OF SKILL. If it’s luck, then it should not matter who you play or how big the field is. Think about it!

Just a thought.

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  • Thanasi

    Sorry but players throwing up to 800 lineups in a single contest is going to be a big part of what the “media” will latch onto as gambling and not skill. I personally think the max limits should be lowered massively. If your truly great at DFS no more than a handful of lineups are needed in a single contest(2 hands at most) players routinely throwing 100-800 lineups don’t prove skill just bankroll and will lead to bad PR.

  • pharoah1

    Seriously, throwing 200 + lineups at a tourney erodes the claim of “skill.” I mean skill at what, writing scripts? In my opinion this goes away from the spirit of fantasy. It feels more like buying a shitload of lottery tickets.

  • pharoah1

    I’ll go to the poker analogy again. When I go play, I go to the 1/2 table, I don’t go sit with pros and they don’t come over to the small limit tables. Why are there 200 entries allowed in quarter arcade? Lol..more options a the least are needed, I can only find one single entry contest on DK..and I don’t care about the huge payouts, I’d rather have a real chance to win a smaller prize, instead of fighting large, head hunting bankrolls trying every combination of players they can think of.

  • Thanasi

    @pharoah1 said...

    I’ll go to the poker analogy again. When I go play, I go to the 1/2 table, I don’t go sit with pros and they don’t come over to the small limit tables. Why are there 200 entries allowed in quarter arcade? Lol..more options a the least are needed, I can only find one single entry contest on DK..and I don’t care about the huge payouts, I’d rather have a real chance to win a smaller prize, instead of fighting large, head hunting bankrolls trying every combination of players they can think of.

    Spot on.

  • mannmicj

    Thanks for your reply. The point is to educate the new folks, while they learn. You know the rules of every contest you enter. Multi-entry max is posted right on the contest page. YOU are choosing to enter that contest. Do I like the multi-entry limit so high. Nope, but if you don’t know how to build a lineup or do research you won’t win a single entry either.

    BTW – FanDuel has a lot more smaller leagues with single entry. 20, 50, 100, 200 man. Join those and see how you do. I assure you, that if you are not good you won’t win consistently. Single Entry will not save those who don’t know how to play.

    Look at your odds of winning a massive field GPP. They are so low it’s ridiculous. Most of those guys who play a ton of lineups have so many that don’t stand a chance it’s insane. Huge prize GPPs get peoples attention, but those will never be your best opportunity to win and find success no matter how many entries you or anyone else has.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @pharoah1 said...

    I’ll go to the poker analogy again. When I go play, I go to the 1/2 table, I don’t go sit with pros and they don’t come over to the small limit tables. Why are there 200 entries allowed in quarter arcade? Lol..more options a the least are needed, I can only find one single entry contest on DK..and I don’t care about the huge payouts, I’d rather have a real chance to win a smaller prize, instead of fighting large, head hunting bankrolls trying every combination of players they can think of.

    Exactly

  • mannmicj

    Pharoah – You sound like someone who might enjoy FanDuel more. Got to there league lobby. I’m telling you, that is your best shot based your posts.

  • pharoah1

    @mannmicj said...

    Thanks for your reply. The point is to educate the new folks, while they learn. You know the rules of every contest you enter. Multi-entry max is posted right on the contest page. YOU are choosing to enter that contest. Do I like the multi-entry limit so high. Nope, but if you don’t know how to build a lineup or do research you won’t win a single entry either.

    BTW – FanDuel has a lot more smaller leagues with single entry. 20, 50, 100, 200 man. Join those and see how you do. I assure you, that if you are not good you won’t win consistently. Single Entry will not save those who don’t know how to play.

    Look at your odds of winning a massive field GPP. They are so low it’s ridiculous. Most of those guys who play a ton of lineups have so many that don’t stand a chance it’s insane. Huge prize GPPs get peoples attention, but those will never be your best opportunity to win and find success no matter how many entries you or anyone else has.

    Obviously you have to know how to build a lineup to win, I’m not saying eliminate huge entries and all of a sudden I’ll start winning. What I am saying is that I would like more opportunity to play non-pros. And personally, as of this week I won’t be playing in the larger gpp’s anymore, save for 1 entry that I’ll treat as a lotto. I will also be looking to probably get off DK altogether and find a site more to my liking, FantasyDraft looks like a good option, no scripts and 20 entry max in any tourney.

  • pharoah1

    @mannmicj said...

    Pharoah – You sound like someone who might enjoy FanDuel more. Got to there league lobby. I’m telling you, that is your best shot based your posts.

    Thanks I’ll look into it, but you know it sucks, I really do enjoy DKs player format (no kickers) and interface..oh well maybe let’s just see how the interview with DK goes today.

  • mannmicj

    @pharoah1 said...

    Obviously you have to know how to build a lineup to win, I’m not saying eliminate huge entries and all of a sudden I’ll start winning. What I am saying is that I would like more opportunity to play non-pros. And personally, as of this week I won’t be playing in the larger gpp’s anymore, save for 1 entry that I’ll treat as a lotto. I will also be looking to probably get off DK altogether and find a site more to my liking, FantasyDraft looks like a good option, no scripts and 20 entry max in any tourney.

    That’s great man. That is exactly the right step. We all went through this. You are not alone and it can be frustrating.

  • mannmicj

    @pharoah1 said...

    Thanks I’ll look into it, but you know it sucks, I really do enjoy DKs player format (no kickers) and interface..oh well maybe let’s just see how the interview with DK goes today.

    I was very loyal to DK early and love there format as well. That said. I’m giving Aces a really hard look to spend my DK time on now, while playing the most on FD. It’s not because of what happened. I’m just not finding success on DK right now and I would like to see what happens if I spend more time on Aces instead. It’s awesome to have choices.

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