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  • whodat2

    When: May 20-23

    Where: Kiawah Island, SC

    Course: Ocean Course at Kiawah Island | A Par 72 playing at 7876 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Collin Morikawa at -13

    Last Year’s Cut: +1

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  • BrianVT

    The rangefinders are supposed to speed up the pace of play, but some players are saying that won’t happen. The caddy still has to figure out front of green, back of green, bunkers, ridges, etc. So, they’ll shoot the pin, and then still have to figure out the rest.

  • Getty33

    @BrianVT said...

    Should we expect Sam Burns to be pretty chalky based on the last 3-tourney heater he’s on?

    No, only because the 7k range is full of big names, former major winners, and good value plays.

  • BrianVT

    @kdsdawg said...

    hope he is huge chalk so my fade will be better
    big difference in courses he has been hot on and this IMO

    Yea, at his price he’s either a) a no-brainer in every lineup, or b) easiest chalk fade ever. So goes the conundrum. But, yes, his recent success may not correlate at all here.

  • titanhawks

    The PGA Happy Meal is a 50/50 with 1st to 75th winning $1.80

  • byo34

    @BrianVT said...

    Yea, at his price he’s either a) a no-brainer in every lineup, or b) easiest chalk fade ever. So goes the conundrum. But, yes, his recent success may not correlate at all here.

    I hoped B with Conners at The Masters and it did not work out. Will go that route again though and fade the chalk and hope for the best.

  • byo34

    About the course… it is long but it’s going to come down to the short game IMO. A lot of wind and there will be missed fairways and greens so if you have no short game you have no chance.

    Looking at the leaderboard in 2012, you saw a lot of shorter hitters who can get up an down and putt lights out. Not comparing this course to last weeks tournament, but I do think there could be a similarity in the fact that everyone was touting bombers (not all of us in here though) and we ended up seeing a mixed bag of a leaderboard. I don’t think the rough here is as bad as a Winged Foot where distance and speed really was a huge advantage.

  • Wander_Bread

    @BrianVT said...

    The rangefinders are supposed to speed up the pace of play, but some players are saying that won’t happen. The caddy still has to figure out front of green, back of green, bunkers, ridges, etc. So, they’ll shoot the pin, and then still have to figure out the rest.

    That was my thought as well. Even with my range finder I still need to calculate wind, where on the green I want to aim for, and subtract / add for slope (though I know some of the more expensive ones also calculate distance with slope included). There’s certainly a lot more work beyond just shooting the pin.

  • noddy

    @mitchsnyderdfw said...

    What are you talking about. His last MC was the Farmers in January. Since then he’s gone:

    T4
    T3
    T15
    T4
    48th – Players
    Win
    T3 – Masters
    T9 – Nelson

    Outside of Sam Burns he’s one of the hottest guys going right now. Or was this an attempt at a reverse jinx?

    Yep I’m playing him. Reverse jinx is in effect.

  • cplatt87

    Based on the limited amount I’ve looked into this so far, it seems like you want to target guys with a lower ball flight so that they aren’t as impacted by the wind. This might mean that Bryson, despite driving distance looking like a good stat here, might not actually be a good play.

  • RudyPujols

    Even if he’s over 20%, Paul Casey at $7700 seems like a free square. Looks like he was hurt and didn’t play here in 2012 (probably pulled a hammy deadlifting a double decker bus). But yea, long and straight off tee, good iron player, typically good when par is a good score, competent around greens. I think he’s relatively low ball flight and decent in wind. If I gotta eat a few bites of chalk, he seems like an obvious candidate.

    How is Cam Davis in wind? His ball flight is super high, but he is an Aussie. I think I’d love him here in relatively benign conditions were he could hit a millions GIR. Don’t want him in a scrambling contest. So, probably barking up the wrong tree.

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @RudyPujols said...

    Looks like he was hurt and didn’t play here in 2012 (probably pulled a hammy deadlifting a double decker bus)

    You gotta go way down the list to find him. He did play here in 2012, missed the cut and shot +20 in two days.

  • BIF

    @Wander_Bread said...

    I saw a lot of the players are not happy about it, specifically the golfers that believe they have a really strong caddy. The thought is that this levels the playing field a bit and takes away some of the advantages that a great caddy gives you.

    Also the guys who hit fairways have never needed any help getting a yardage; it is the foul-ball hitters who need a caddie from MIT capable of running a slide-ruler to figure out angles and get yardages from the “native area”.

  • kps3205s

    @RudyPujols said...

    Looks like he was hurt and didn’t play here in 2012 (probably pulled a hammy deadlifting a double decker bus).

    Paul Casey missed the cut in 2012…79-85 were his 2 rounds.

  • BIF

    @BrianVT said...

    The rangefinders are supposed to speed up the pace of play, but some players are saying that won’t happen. The caddy still has to figure out front of green, back of green, bunkers, ridges, etc. So, they’ll shoot the pin, and then still have to figure out the rest.

    True, the pro game is all about carry distances so they’ll get the pin distance quicker but then still need the yardage book to figure out how many yards less to fly it so same amount of work (just a little different as they will be working a bit in reverse for calculating).

  • BrianVT

    Noto had the wind specialists in this article for the TPC, many of whom are in this field again:

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/searching-for-a-specialist-the-players-championship-2960089

  • RudyPujols

    @mitchsnyderdfw said...

    You gotta go way down the list to find him. He did play here in 2012, missed the cut and shot +20 in two days.

    Oh, yikes. Maybe not a free square. His 2012 was abysmal, though, and I think injuries were involved. In 9 events, he had 6 missed cuts, one W/D, and outside Top 50 on both made cuts on PGA Tour (not sure about EURO). Coming in with a little better form this time around.

    Maybe that’ll scare everyone else away and I’ll have ol’ Paulie to myself.

  • RudyPujols

    Is there such thing as a Paspalum Specialist (both of Hovland’s wins were on Paspalum)? Little different GIR %/conditions here that could expose his Around the Green achilles, but, just sayin’.

  • Getty33

    @RudyPujols said...

    Is there such thing as a Paspalum Specialist (both of Hovland’s wins were on Paspalum)? Little different GIR %/conditions here that could expose his Around the Green achilles, but, just sayin’.

    You’ll only find seashore paspalum on coastal southern courses. Warm tropical weather grass with high salt tolerance. Large bladed, grainy, and slow. Needs to be double cut to achieve tournament speed, but even still will never be as fast as bent or bermuda. I’d be more inclined to look at putting on slow surfaces as opposed to grass type.

  • ifthethunder

    @titanhawks said...

    The PGA Happy Meal is a 50/50 with 1st to 75th winning $1.80

    I’m guessing Tim didn’t mean to set it up that way. But DK still counts finishing points in 50-50s if I’m reading this correctly.

    https://www.draftkings.com/lp/leaderboard-info
    ~

  • zeeshan2

    2 free contests on DK this week

    really like Hovland, Grillo, Hatton, and Bradley at first look

  • seangeezy

    @whodat2 said...

    I think you might have misread my post. The caddy that I had, when I played in a tournament there last year, said that the greens AREN’T lightning fast because of said wind. I played it in February, so I don’t know if it is windier then or not. I’ll tell you what though, I did have to call and ask the wife to bring me some chapstick mid round.

    I hear you. I was just saying the winds are not anything close to 35mph – hats would be flying off and play would be suspended for that kind of sustained wind. People always overestimate wind speeds. The forecast is showing 12mph, 11mph, 10mph, 11mph constant winds for Thursday through Sunday.

    This isn’t that bad. These guys would much prefer wind on an exposed course like this because it doesn’t switch directions and they can adjust properly. It gets a lot tricker when the wind blows on tree-lined courses because it swirls and the players second guess everything.

  • skankinmat

    Found this article a nice preview read for this week

    https://betting.betfair.com/golf/us-pga-championship/us-pga-championship-2021-tips-and-preview-the-punters-preview-160521-167.html

  • BrianVT

    Vijay Singh Out.

    Wyndham Clark In.

  • ifthethunder

    @skankinmat said...

    Found this article a nice preview read for this week

    https://betting.betfair.com/golf/us-pga-championship/us-pga-championship-2021-tips-and-preview-the-punters-preview-160521-167.html

    I read Steven Rawlings each week. Should note he’s picking players to bet on, not for DFS. But given that DK salaries are correlated to the Vegas (at least it seemed last time I thought about them), I think it’s useful.

    And he had Stewart Cink as one of his long shots when Cink won this year.

    https://betting.betfair.com/golf/golf-bets/long-odds-golf-tips-pebble-beach-pro-am-three-off-the-tee-worth-punting-at-pebble-090221-167.html
    ~

  • ifthethunder

    @BrianVT said...

    Vijay Singh Out.

    Wyndham Clark In.

    Be interested to see what Clark’s salary is on DK when they get around to adding him.

    P.S. I guess Keith Mitchell doesn’t get to play?
    ~

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