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  • celtics2448

    Anybody else getting sick of this garbage? Higher entry fees, smaller fields, same max entries, garbage payout structure on both sites (unless you finish in first place).

    For example, check out DK’s big NASCAR GPP this week, $6 instead of the usual $3 or $4? At Talladega? Do these people even know anything about NASCAR? No thanks. I’ll pass DraftKings.

    DK has been running an $8 every day for NBA, i haven’t played. FanDuel has a friggen $9 today, i won’t play that either, and i can’t be the only one that’s bothered by this, right? I’m not disappearing, they’re just forcing my hand in playing less money instead of more. The opposite of what their intentions probably were.

  • btwice80

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    I haven’t been paying attention to NBA, but I looked after I saw this post, and FD has a $100K $3 Shot with 10% to first place that you must have not noticed.

  • Jvanspro

    Flatter payout structures are better for everyone. This is the primary reason you will never see me ranked high on the RG tournament rankings. I refuse to enter these large GPP’s. There are plenty of smaller ones you can enter that have better payout structures. Yes, they don’t have a 50K to first but you can easily 5x and 10x your investment. I find them much easier than entering the pipe dream contests with guys like PG/CA getting 300 entries.

  • JayKooks

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    I’m with you. I’m playing less than I used to and I really miss the $3 Moonshot in baseball, they had it during the first week of the season again this year but it hasn’t been back on a main slate since.

  • celtics2448

    btwice, you’re right i did not notice that, but that’s also a recurring theme with FD, a $3 a $6 a $9 on the same day with the same amount of entries in each. So let’s create some “fake news” if you will:

    Let’s assume there are 20 players who max out every contest: 20×150 = 3000 out of 39k. Therefore, if i join the $3, 1 out of every 13 lineups i’m competing against have max entries to my 3-10 entries with an AWFUL prize structure. Whereas, if they just took the route they took when i first started playing and had a $3 or $4 with 3x the entries, this wouldn’t be a big deal to compete against the sharks since they’d be a little more diluted. But it is a big deal to me, since the field is so small.

  • billholler

    As long as tournaments continue to fill, they will continue to raise the entry fees until they reach the point where tourneys do not fill. I imagine somewhere around $10 for these every day large field tourneys is about the max.

  • Cooper08

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    @billholler said...

    As long as tournaments continue to fill, they will continue to raise the entry fees until they reach the point where tourneys do not fill. I imagine somewhere around $10 for these every day large field tourneys is about the max.

    I think the NBA can hit $10, they have been doing $8 for several weeks and it always fills. The last two days the $8 baseball has not filled so I can’t see them going higher in baseball. Will be interesting to see what happens with NASCAR this weekend at $6. Question is what will they do with there money maker, football.

  • billholler

    @Cooper08 said...

    Question is what will they do with there money maker, football.

    Pretty sure we can forget about ever again seeing regular $3 or $4 entry fees for NFL with NBA filling at $8.

  • makeitra1n

    @billholler said...

    Pretty sure we can forget about ever again seeing regular $3 or $4 entry fees for NFL with NBA filling at $8.

    I’m curious to see how high it’s gonna go.obv it’s gonna hit double digits I wonder how people react.at this rate the largest prize contest is gonna be the 100 dollar one by next year

  • billholler

    @makeitra1n said...

    I’m curious to see how high it’s gonna go.obv it’s gonna hit double digits I wonder how people react.at this rate the largest prize contest is gonna be the 100 dollar one by next year

    Will be interesting. The MM tourneys have a hard time filling when the entry fee is $33. Can’t see them trying it for any higher than that.

  • HungryHungryHip

    Yeah, I hate it when the sites give us more choices and contests…

    I’d rather play the 5-9 range contests than the 60-200K entries that are basically like playing the lottery. Guess that’s why it’s good they have both(and others) for people to play what they want. What a concept

  • celtics2448

    Your sarcasm is falling on deaf ears because you clearly missed the point.

  • makeitra1n

    @billholler said...

    Will be interesting. The MM tourneys have a hard time filling when the entry fee is $33. Can’t see them trying it for any higher than that.

    I’ve been preaching about this topic for the last 2 years about raising prices.I mean why do you think they make the 1 dollars 3 entry max?cause the users want that?gtfo.it’s so people are forced to play the 3/4/6/8/9/whatever the price is.and they will continue to raise the price until they can’t and seeing how contests are still filling…

    I compare this to blockbuster.when blu ray movies came out it was 5.99 for a rental initially.then 6.49.then 6.99.then 8.99.wait hows blockbuster doing right now???

  • billholler

    @makeitra1n said...

    I compare this to blockbuster.when blu ray movies came out it was 5.99 for a rental initially.then 6.49.then 6.99.then 8.99.wait hows blockbuster doing right now???

    Bad analogy. Redbox and the interwebs killed Blockbuster but I get your point. I think eventually DK and FD figure out what works and entry fees will level off. Either that or someone else will come along with a lower rake and lower entry fees for GPPs and kill whatever entity remains after the FD/DK merger.

  • jstevens2k11

    Economics 101….supply & demand. Not too sure how you can’t see it from the company’s point of view. I would think less of DK & FD if they didnt increase entry fees if their contests consistently filled. Payout structure, rake, field size/entries…those could be argued but individually IMO.

  • celtics2448

    Jstevens2k11, i get the “economics” of it that’s why i’m positive that’ll it’ll bite them in the ass in the long run. Here’s why:

    1. Before i hit a few thousand earlier this year which increased my bankroll, i would deposit between $25-$50 a week. Would i spare $8 for one contest with max entries being 150? No. I wouldn’t do it now with an increased bankroll and i certainly wouldn’t do it if/when my account runs dry. Especially since the minimum return is 1.5x, and you have to be in the top 10% just to double your cash.

    2. I introduced a friend to DFS a few months ago, his spare money is even less than what i can afford. During the regular season there were almost always $3’s and $4’s that he’d enter on a daily basis unless he ran low on money. Do you think he’s playing at $8 a pop with shitty odds now that this is the premier contest? No, he’s either not playing or hitting the quarter arcade and $1’s. That’s the only example i can provide without making stuff up.

    3. Season long fantasy players play anywhere between $25+ for their leagues for THE SEASON. If this is the group that FanDuel and Draftkings are trying to attract, do you really think they’ll anty up $8 PER ENTRY, PER DAY to play in these contests? Hell no they won’t.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    If this is representative of supply and demand than these companies better hope the merger goes through, because from at least what I can tell, there are far fewer entries overall, and they are simply being funneled to a price point that represents the continual loss of casual players and meeting the needs of the multi-entry, mid-high bankroll players that are still around.

    It’s not that long ago, a few years years…that you’d have 100k+ $1 GPP everynight during the NBA on FanDuel, plus a $2-3 bigger than the stuff their offering today, along with higher price points similar to the ones beiung mentioned here….but that’s when there was a large and continualy growing player base.
    I know the poker analogies can get old, but as I’m thinking about it, this is another way they are similar. If anyone was playing poker online, during the boom, you could be multi-playing tables any time of the day at virtually any price point. Years later, you fo on and there may be one micro, $1 table ful that you have to waitr for, and maybe a $2/4 or $5/10 as the only thing open to take a seat at.

  • KindGuy

    I’ve been bringing this up constantly the past few months, it’s ridiculous!

    The most important thing is the rake is the SAME. 15%. That’s ridiculous.

  • QSchoolDropOut

    I am definitely not going to pay $8 to play a contest on a regular basis. I get the same enjoyment/thrill playing a $2 contest, and I get to play 4 more times. So, I am a person who is going to the lower contests instead of paying up.

  • makeitra1n

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    If this is representative of supply and demand than these companies better hope the merger goes through, because from at least what I can tell, there are far fewer entries overall, and they are simply being funneled to a price point that represents the continual loss of casual players and meeting the needs of the multi-entry, mid-high bankroll players that are still around.

    It’s not that long ago, a few years years…that you’d have 100k+ $1 GPP everynight during the NBA on FanDuel, plus a $2-3 bigger than the stuff their offering today, along with higher price points similar to the ones beiung mentioned here….but that’s when there was a large and continualy growing player base.
    I know the poker analogies can get old, but as I’m thinking about it, this is another way they are similar. If anyone was playing poker online, during the boom, you could be multi-playing tables any time of the day at virtually any price point. Years later, you fo on and there may be one micro, $1 table ful that you have to waitr for, and maybe a $2/4 or $5/10 as the only thing open to take a seat at.

    Personally I do not believe it’s supply and demand.I think it’s the companies being greedy and trying to take as much from their players as possible.there’s a huge I mean HUGE demand for low buy in gpps.the 1 dollars on fd always fill 6 hours before lock.and that’s still with 3 entry max.

    Today on dk I noticed they filled both the 1 dollar and quarter at least 5 hours before lock for nba.

    Why a company wouldn’t want to improve user experience and in fact does the opposite is beyond me lol.if they make a large field 150 max 1 dollar and try it out for a week I guarantee it would fill even if total entries are 200k

  • TNYooper

    I’ve started to feel more inclined to play more 50/50s, at least in MLB. With 50/50s, I can nearly double my money on cash lines that are often lower than the GPP cash lines and possibly 50+ pts lower if we’re talking about simply doubling money via GPP. It’s just getting harder to justify playing GPP. Eventually I may just play solely for competitive purposes and just use the QA.

  • madmanjayWV

    @celtics2448 said...

    Jstevens2k11, i get the “economics” of it that’s why i’m positive that’ll it’ll bite them in the ass in the long run. Here’s why:

    1. Before i hit a few thousand earlier this year which increased my bankroll, i would deposit between $25-$50 a week. Would i spare $8 for one contest with max entries being 150? No. I wouldn’t do it now with an increased bankroll and i certainly wouldn’t do it if/when my account runs dry. Especially since the minimum return is 1.5x, and you have to be in the top 10% just to double your cash.

    2. I introduced a friend to DFS a few months ago, his spare money is even less than what i can afford. During the regular season there were almost always $3’s and $4’s that he’d enter on a daily basis unless he ran low on money. Do you think he’s playing at $8 a pop with shitty odds now that this is the premier contest? No, he’s either not playing or hitting the quarter arcade and $1’s. That’s the only example i can provide without making stuff up.

    3. Season long fantasy players play anywhere between $25+ for their leagues for THE SEASON. If this is the group that FanDuel and Draftkings are trying to attract, do you really think they’ll anty up $8 PER ENTRY, PER DAY to play in these contests? Hell no they won’t.

    $25+ for their season long league — lol
    The entry fee in my AL only keeper is 2 c-notes a year and that’s just your franchise fee.

    I do wish FD would run a damn MLB SAC FLY – -they can keep the 3-max or 5-max one — but run one with 100-150 max entries and 100K ppl in it….drives me insane

  • Messiah717

    DK has been doing it to end the NHL season and it has become quite annoying. Worried about contests filling so creating more later in the day once it looks like the previous will fill. The problem is that the payouts in each end up being garbage. $4 Forecheck today for a $400 top prize is awful.

  • KindGuy

    Fantastic.

    DK has now decided to spread this plague into the soccer GPPS as well.

    Instead of a $4 striker like usual, they have a $8 Crazy 8s for tomorrow mornings EPL contests. Great. Just Great. Pricing out the casuals and mid tier folks while further tilting the advantage in favor of the Sharks.

  • jjwd

    I wish we could get a DK rep to comment on their strategy here. It’s very disappointing. Seems like they’re trying to funnel the multi-entry tournament players into one expensive GPP, and they’re also very worried about placating new users who think multi entry is “unfair”. As many people have said: why can’t we have many different options? It’s preposterous that we have no big tournaments between 4 and 40 dollars. I’m a tournament player who has vastly reduced my play on DK because of these factors. Fantasydraft is getting more of my action now.

  • tmarohl

    The FD Slam for basketball used to be a pretty high entry tournament at $25. I have noticed the size of that has shrunk considerably, even though it used to fill, and there are now more 6-9 dollar GPP’S.

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