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  • lk2000

    Supreme Court strikes down federal law banning most states from allowing sports betting which appears to clear way for states to legalize sports betting if they wish to do so. What are everyone’s initial thoughts? Seems to be huge news for the leagues and sports fans and will probably put additional pressure on long term viability of current dfs business model.

  • Spartanzilla

    Ground breaking news and I agree the dfs sites will need to be even more creative as now pressures from state sponsored offerings will be ever present. The major sites will need to offer games that are more enticing to the common player to keep up as more entrants are coming to the game. It will be long term positive for players and some dfs sites will have to innovate or die.

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    Competition should explode as this will relieve the inhibitions that other companies have faced when considering expanding into this market. I assume ESPN will try to do something.

  • fighton2016

    DFS sites were expecting this. DK hired a head of sportsbook back in February. I expect them to announce their addition to their platform in the next few weeks.

  • jlowery73

    2012 DDC Main Event Champion

    • 2014 FAFC Finalist

    • x3

      2015 FACFC Finalist

    Love the decision…..any impact on college DFS?

  • iwrestle

    Let’s hope they can bring back College Football DFS now!!!!

  • nufced81

    Tremendous news. The big question is the profitability model for the sports books, will the greedy leagues through their attempts at placing ‘integrity fees’ on all bets, and state legislatures who will try to tax this to the max, prevent it from being a viable enterprise for bettors?

    Vegas really took off in sports betting when they lowered the state tax on it and then it resulted in reduced juice for the bettor. If these imposed fees create a 20% juice situation, it will hurt sports betting in the long run, as smart players will look elsewhere. If they allow reduced juice (dime lines) then it’s a win-win.

  • 2Slik

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    @Spartanzilla said...

    dfs sites will have to innovate or die.

    Who’s to say the DFS sites don’t get in on the action? IMO they have a huge user database head start and I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t already lined up backers. Hell there may even be peer vs peer (no host risk) games already in the works. Imagine the sites allowing users to create Head to Heads for any game with their own odds…

  • jterryn

    • 2015 FAFC Finalist

    @iwrestle said...

    Let’s hope they can bring back College Football DFS now!!!!

  • depalma13

    @atfrost said...

    Competition should explode as this will relieve the inhibitions that other companies have faced when considering expanding into this market. I assume ESPN will try to do something.

    Espn will not do anything as long as Disney owns them.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    My initial reaction is it scares the hell out of me.
    I’ll try to keep an explanation short – but basically this is rapidly becoming a country of have and have nots, and the ramifications of that are intensifying by the day. I don’t want to get too political, so this is oversimplifying, but i feel most institutions are hanging on by a thread, and the actual root cause can be traced back to class.
    So with that as my starting belief, Legalized sports betting scares me because its another false dream, addiction and money vacuum that will widen that chasm. I realize gamblers had access to sports betting without it being legal, but when its normalized and you can do it legally from a phone or in your town, that’s a whole new level. I’d love to think that we could say the majority of people are responsible and reasonable, but is that really the case? I also say this as someone with an addictive personality, so it’s not judging others, but saying it from a place that has experienced it first hand.

    As for DFS?’
    i’m not sure. Maybe i’m in the minority, but to me sports betting isn’t very fun. I have much more fun researching and creating DFS lineups. I feel like i have more control and it doesn’t bring up the same negative feelings gambling does for me. I also don’t really like sports betting because it’s like cash games (unless you start to chase loses with irrational bets) The appeal of DFS to me is knowing I can lose 3 nights in a row and make that back with one good lu. It makes me just want to do better the next night as opposed to getting too angry and anxious about it. You don’t get that betting -110 lines with correct bankroll management.
    So if a lot of people feel like me, things should be fine, but i have no idea if that is the case or not.

  • depalma13

    This will kill “cash games” in DFS.

  • frugal

    @iwrestle said...

    Let’s hope they can bring back College Football DFS now!!!!

    I think the rule on college DFS sports was due to a lawsuit regarding profiting on the names/likenesses of amateur athletes which also impacted the video game industry. In essence, players sued to be paid for use of their names and likeness which would in turn make them ineligible by NCAA rules. IIRC, this included stats services so not sure about DFS here. This ruling which specifically struck down a different law which protecting sports betting in select few locations while outlawing it elsewhere should allow straight up betting on college sports though and “legitimize” march madness style bracket games.

  • dbullsfan

    @2Slik said...

    Who’s to say the DFS sites don’t get in on the action? IMO they have a huge user database head start and I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t already lined up backers. Hell there may even be peer vs peer (no host risk) games already in the works. Imagine the sites allowing users to create Head to Heads for any game with their own odds…

    DraftKings has already announced they have been working on a sports betting platform and it will be released shortly. My guess is they are waiting for a few more states to officially get on board. I would imagine probably within the month they have it up and running.

  • drewcrawford03

    • 2019 FanDuel FantaSea Finalist

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    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    @depalma13 said...

    This will kill “cash games” in DFS.

    How so?

  • frugal

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    My initial reaction is it scares the hell out of me.
    I’ll try to keep an explanation short – but basically this is rapidly becoming a country of have and have nots, and the ramifications of that are intensifying by the day. I don’t want to get too political, so this is oversimplifying, but i feel most institutions are hanging on by a thread, and the actual root cause can be traced back to class.
    So with that as my starting belief, Legalized sports betting scares me because its another false dream, addiction and money vacuum that will widen that chasm. I realize gamblers had access to sports betting without it being legal, but when its normalized and you can do it legally from a phone or in your town, that’s a whole new level. I’d love to think that we could say the majority of people are responsible and reasonable, but is that really the case? I also say this as someone with an addictive personality, so it’s not judging others, but saying it from a place that has experienced it first hand.

    As for DFS?’
    i’m not sure. Maybe i’m in the minority, but to me sports betting isn’t very fun. I have much more fun researching and creating DFS lineups. I feel like i have more control and it doesn’t bring up the same negative feelings gambling does for me. I also don’t really like sports betting because it’s like cash games (unless you start to chase loses with irrational bets) The appeal of DFS to me is knowing I can lose 3 nights in a row and make that back with one good lu. It makes me just want to do better the next night as opposed to getting too angry and anxious about it. You don’t get that betting -110 lines with correct bankroll management.
    So if a lot of people feel like me, things should be fine, but i have no idea if that is the case or not.

    I’ll likely never bet straight up and more enjoy DFS as well. However, I think the impact on a DFS style March Madness bracket (CBS ran a cool one this season resetting picks every round) is going to be very fun.

  • dbullsfan

    @depalma13 said...

    This will kill “cash games” in DFS.

    I don’t think so, I am curious as to if it will grow the DFS industry with more new people coming in and playing resulting in bigger prize pools and bigger tournaments or if it will spread out the $$ of current players without a ton of new members thus causing the prize pools and tournaments to shrink. I’m hoping it is the first but I think a lot will depend on how they market it and how many people are out there that want to sports bet that aren’t already playing DFS.

  • KindGuy

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    My initial reaction is it scares the hell out of me.
    I’ll try to keep an explanation short – but basically this is rapidly becoming a country of have and have nots, and the ramifications of that are intensifying by the day. I don’t want to get too political, so this is oversimplifying, but i feel most institutions are hanging on by a thread, and the actual root cause can be traced back to class.
    So with that as my starting belief, Legalized sports betting scares me because its another false dream, addiction and money vacuum that will widen that chasm. I realize gamblers had access to sports betting without it being legal, but when its normalized and you can do it legally from a phone or in your town, that’s a whole new level. I’d love to think that we could say the majority of people are responsible and reasonable, but is that really the case? I also say this as someone with an addictive personality, so it’s not judging others, but saying it from a place that has experienced it first hand.

    As for DFS?’
    i’m not sure. Maybe i’m in the minority, but to me sports betting isn’t very fun. I have much more fun researching and creating DFS lineups. I feel like i have more control and it doesn’t bring up the same negative feelings gambling does for me. I also don’t really like sports betting because it’s like cash games (unless you start to chase loses with irrational bets) The appeal of DFS to me is knowing I can lose 3 nights in a row and make that back with one good lu. It makes me just want to do better the next night as opposed to getting too angry and anxious about it. You don’t get that betting -110 lines with correct bankroll management.
    So if a lot of people feel like me, things should be fine, but i have no idea if that is the case or not.

    Beautifully said.

    Perhaps a membership fee might alleviate some of that widening of the gap? Those who are looking to get rich and chase that dream as you say would have another roadblock in front of them.

    While I agree with you that sports betting isn’t nearly as fun as DFS, I wouldn’t say it’s nearly like cash games. Sure, betting totals may be, but backing huge dogs can be very profitable and is akin to a winning a small GPP or multiplier contest (3x, quintuple ups, etc.)

    Another thing that I like about DFS that you’ll never be able to get with traditional sports betting is that there is more of a psychological and game theory aspect. You’re not trying to beat a hyper efficient system (Vegas hires a bunch of MIT/Harvard mathematicians I think) and instead you’re competing against others who may not be as sharp or may not have info that you do.

  • KindGuy

    My biggest concern is how this affects rake. Surely, it has to go down now right?????

  • depalma13

    @drewcrawford03 said...

    How so?

    It’s easier to bet on a team than individual players.

  • balladamus

    So, I’m not in the know about all of the legality issues, so this could be a silly question- but, does this bring back the possibility of Fanduel returning to Texas?

    I love DK, but I did a lot better on Fanduel Basketball.

  • ChaosM83

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    @balladamus said...

    So, I’m not in the know about all of the legality issues, so this could be a silly question- but, does this bring back the possibility of Fanduel returning to Texas?

    I don’t think so, I think Texas considers DFS gambling, not sports betting. I haven’t read all the news, but I don’t think this opened the door for all gambling in all states, just sports betting. But again, I haven’t read everything yet.

  • hautalak

    • x2

      2021 Blogger of the Month

    Well I’m hoping this gets rolled out in a majority of states soon. I’ve only sports bet in Vegas but I enjoyed it. It might be because I got lucky on a 3 prop parlay. I’ll certainly pay more attention to all the props available now.

  • gaelicgirl

    Great news. Hope CA gets in on the action, I’ve missed my Reno sportsbook terribly since moving back here.

  • KindGuy

    http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/22516292/gambling-ranking-every-us-state-current-position-legalizing-sports-betting

    ^Good summary of where states stand.

  • balladamus

    @ChaosM83 said...

    I don’t think so, I think Texas considers DFS gambling, not sports betting. I haven’t read all the news, but I don’t think this opened the door for all gambling in all states, just sports betting. But again, I haven’t read everything yet.

    Ok. Thanks.

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