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  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    Hi everyone, Nik here. We’re excited to share with you a big change to our NBA formatting for this season.

    If there’s one consistent frustration we’ve heard from NBA players, it’s the handling of inactive players. Whether it’s Pop late scratching LMA or a top-secret undisclosed mystery injury, it’s an awful experience when you’re drawing dead before the games even start. We call these events “avoidable zeroes”, and they’re the absolute worst.

    Over the summer we prototyped and tested a few different solutions and one thing became crystal clear – if we were going to make a change, we needed to make sure that the change was a fair change for everyone, and didn’t disadvantage one user segment while giving an advantage to another. I obviously can’t speak for every user, and while I’ve got a very loving (and patient!) wife at home, she’s got a limit to how much I’m glued to phone when we’re together. I’ve got friends who have kids, work nights, love the gym, and a whole host of different reasons why late swap simply doesn’t work for them. The division on the topic on the RG forums alone convinced us that it wasn’t the solution.

    Instead, we’re announcing a simple, yet powerful change: we’re dropping your lowest score. Call it best ball, call it a gimme, call it whatever you’d like. Bottom line, if a player puts up a zero, the score won’t count. Positions stay the same, scoring stays the same; we’ll simply only count your top 8. You don’t have to stay glued to your phone; you can pick that West Coast GTD with confidence and even he doesn’t go, you’re still in the running.

    Give it a try, and feel free to shoot me any feedback: nik.bonaddio@fanduel.com. Good luck!

    - NB

  • Njsum1

    @lpdev said...

    I’d say if a system that allowed only certain players to be swapped were adopted it would have to exclude players that were already designated doubtful or questionable. If a player has a questionable or doubtful tag then you are aware of the risk involved and are choosing to gamble on the chance that the player does or does not play. I don’t think the issue here is people that made the wrong decision on a player that they knew might not play. I don’t see how you can complain about that. It’s the late scratch on a player that was designated probable or has no information indicating they might not be available.

    I 100% agree. Yet I can see that being a nightmare for the sites to implement. Having to track every player with a Q tag, especially toward the end of the season. Also, adjusting as certain players go from probable to questionable, questionable to probable. Idk though, maybe it’s easy, seems quite difficult though.

  • kb03

    I think it would be nice if they gave us a couple of nights in preseason to try this format out instead of rolling it out on opening night. Why are we still using the old format if it’s only going to go away??

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    @madmanjayWV said...

    ALL NBA $$$ going to YAHOO and DK crap scoring I guess……

    Sorry late to the party just seeing — time to go puke now

    What’s wrong with DK scoring that could be any worse than awarding 3 points for blocks and steals?

  • superjon

    @madmanjayWV said...

    If 8 guys are all that’s counted then I’m putting a minimum salary guy that’s 100% going to score 0 and not play.

    Go ahead and do that and jam in Lebron and Harden.

    Then watch Lebron and Harden go for 4x while someone else has a min salary guy that goes 10x.

  • madmanjayWV

    Personally, the 3 pt bonus for DK and the double-double, 3x dbls, etc. on DK i’m personally not a fan of. Of course, I still think it’s BS that outs aren’t counted against your team at -0.25 for FD MLB, but that’s just me……they killed that long ago…..

    And yes, the FD clown scoring is horrid as well with their let’s gamble on who gets the most blocks and steals every night.

    I’ll take my chances if I opt to play single entry FD GPPs — on rostering a min salary 0 or some min salary possible non-9th place scoring option in my roster — You can still punt a position with someone in a good spot at a cheap or min. salary and fill in the rest —-

    I still loathe the FD idea 1000% but after a few hours to think about it more since I just seen this…it’s still not growing on me whatsoever. FD should really quit using the OLD FORMAT for the last week of the preseason, TBH

    Now, with only having to pick 8 bums — you just need to hit on and pick the top 3 scorers of the night and pray your other 5 picks don’t bust and go 3.5x to 4x, etc.

  • SkateFiend

    For what it’s worth, I was skeptical about FD’s changes on MLB lineups, but now I can honestly say I’m a big fan. Having 4 power hitting outfielders and two first / third basemen does make a difference in smaller contests. I punt the C/1B position all the time.

    I’m definitely punting the C position if I don’t like the options available. If the best options are Whiteside and Myles Turrner, I’ll just punt with John Henson or something. This is the position with the second most variance IMO. Some centers

  • tonytone1908

    @Njsum1 said...

    I 100% agree. Yet I can see that being a nightmare for the sites to implement. Having to track every player with a Q tag, especially toward the end of the season. Also, adjusting as certain players go from probable to questionable, questionable to probable. Idk though, maybe it’s easy, seems quite difficult though.

    Another problem is, who would be responsible for the tracking and notifying? You would need to hire a third party company to make sure things were done in fairness. Then what happens when people didn’t get the push notifications? Or they didn’t get them in time? I think that’s just a nightmare waiting to happen.

    Fairest thing in my eyes would to just give everyone an empty 5k wild card slot and if any of your above 5k players get late scratched that player replaces him and you get his score. Sure some salary might be lost but maybe not that much at all and you can relax knowing a late scratch won’t flush ALL your cash down the toilet. You would still build lineups as normal but at least you’d have a safety net. Maybe at least have to declare who your substitute would be in case of a scratch. Still, if that scratch is a high salary guy and you’re running a lot of lineups, you got a lot of work on your hands and the pros would have an edge there.

  • ccole00

    I can’t get any sleep thinking about this FanDuel thanks a lot…

  • depalma13

    As I’ve said since they dropped late swap, the state laws that allow DFS are under the same laws that govern horse racing. In horse racing a late scratch either gets you a refund or the favorite in multi race wagers. Since there is no way to give you a favorite, and they won’t issue refunds, something had to be done.

    It is clearly illegal to force you to lose money before a game even starts and not issue you a refund.

    Whether you like it or not, this is a real solution to protect from a lawsuit.

  • madmanjayWV

    GOTTA ADAPT and go #PUREAYDS — straight #AYDS — it’s the only way!

    NEVA 4-get the AYDS

    #AVOID@allCOSTS = https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/b1/a0/b9b1a014f5bc200d261c38182db18fbd.jpg

  • yisman

    @depalma13 said...

    As I’ve said since they dropped late swap, the state laws that allow DFS are under the same laws that govern horse racing. In horse racing a late scratch either gets you a refund or the favorite in multi race wagers. Since there is no way to give you a favorite, and they won’t issue refunds, something had to be done.

    It is clearly illegal to force you to lose money before a game even starts and not issue you a refund.

    Whether you like it or not, this is a real solution to protect from a lawsuit.

    I disagree with this.

    Surely someone would’ve filed a lawsuit. Dk had no late swap for 2 years, FantasyDraft has had no late swap for any sport since it opened 4 years ago (or so).

  • mtdurham

    @superjon said...

    I think you’re underestimating how often studs bust in NBA.

    Hint: It’s a lot.

    Ill admit i havent played a TON of nba but im pretty sure lebron, Westbrook, harden and co. Normally outscore marc gasol and jusuf nurkic

  • Njsum1

    @mtdurham said...

    Ill admit i havent played a TON of nba but im pretty sure lebron, Westbrook, harden and co. Normally outscore marc gasol and jusuf nurkic

    Bust is relative to price. The studs often cost 5k or more than those mid tier players you mentioned.

  • gaelicgirl

    @kb03 said…

    “I think it would be nice if they gave us a couple of nights in preseason to try this format out instead of rolling it out on opening night. Why are we still using the old format if it’s only going to go away??”

    I agree 100%. (Quote function not working for some reason)

    Change it already so we can experiment with new LU construction strategies!

  • superjon

    @mtdurham said...

    Ill admit i havent played a TON of nba but im pretty sure lebron, Westbrook, harden and co. Normally outscore marc gasol and jusuf nurkic

    Outscore and hit value are two different things

  • ccole00

    I see ppl talking about it’s good that we don’t have to be glued to our phones now… don’t play fantasy basketball play golf.. this is for the the big boys…

  • mtdurham

    @Njsum1 said...

    Bust is relative to price. The studs often cost 5k or more than those mid tier players you mentioned.

    yeah the point was that busts don’t hurt you as bad under this format though because you get to drop your lowest score. So you play several low priced players and a few of them will get you that 10x you need so you only need 4x out of a stud instead of 7x out of Jusuf Nurkic…. it’s all relative..that was my point

  • mtdurham

    @superjon said...

    Outscore and hit value are two different things

    right but this change makes “hitting value” less important… the raw points become a much bigger factor under this format obviously because of the dropped score

    I guess we’ll have to see how it all plays out… personally I’m not interested in the format… The most interesting decision to me each slate is whether i should play/fade the chalk when some bench player draws the start. This format takes that element away and that’s not what im looking for.

    I’ll give them credit for trying something, and after late swap inevitably fails on Draftkings i wouldnt be shocked if they go to this method as well.

    I think the fish will like Fanduel’s change and the fish are going to be beaten so soundly on Draftkings that all their NBA action will dry up quickly.

    So ultimately if i was smart I’d probabyl adapt and just move my action to Fanduel. Maybe i will anyway. I dont know. I’m a creature of habit but this late swap nonsense has really made me rethink my Draftkings loyalty

  • xbrett82

    This is the worst idea I’ve ever heard. Think about this scenario. One person scores 400 and their lowest scorer scores 30 points. Another person scores 395 and their lowest scorer scores 20 points. In this scenario, the 395 scorer WINS 375-370.

    How on Earth is that remotely fair? Just keep it as it’s been. Yeah, once or twice a year a game will get cancelled or a late scratch will ruin your late, but that’s the risk you take rostering a player who hasn’t been declared active and playing. This completely flips the game on its ear, and the person who scores the most points with their 9 eligible players will not always win the tournament. It’s unbelievably stupid.

  • Njsum1

    @xbrett82 said...

    the person who scores the most points with their 9 eligible players will not always win the tournament. It’s unbelievably stupid.

    The person who scores the most points with their 9 eligible players will almost NEVER win the tournament. I Don’t see that as a bad thing. Just know that it’s not about your best 9, it’s about your best 8. Everyone’s score will be reflective of their top 8 players anyway. It’s not like you’ll be thinking that you’re winning then the lowest score gets dropped and all of a sudden you lose. You’re score will be your top 8 players throughout the contest.

  • zline34

    @xbrett82 said...

    This is the worst idea I’ve ever heard. Think about this scenario. One person scores 400 and their lowest scorer scores 30 points. Another person scores 395 and their lowest scorer scores 20 points. In this scenario, the 395 scorer WINS 375-370.

    How on Earth is that remotely fair? Just keep it as it’s been. Yeah, once or twice a year a game will get cancelled or a late scratch will ruin your late, but that’s the risk you take rostering a player who hasn’t been declared active and playing. This completely flips the game on its ear, and the person who scores the most points with their 9 eligible players will not always win the tournament. It’s unbelievably stupid.

    This is how I’m viewing it. I don’t know how anyone could be onboard with this. Losing a GPP this way would be terrible.

  • pick6er

    Is this for the main NBA slates? If so, this is completely senseless and disappointing to what I assume is a vast majority of FD users.

  • scott33

    @pick6er said...

    Is this for the main NBA slates? If so, this is completely senseless and disappointing to what I assume is a vast majority of FD users.

  • pick6er

    Just curious if you guys at Fanduel keep up with your Twitter page? Seems like 99% of comments are negative feedback. Hard to envision this is what the players wanted…

  • ccole00

    You guys realize it’s better just to go back to late Swap. If a player has to stay up to watch their lineup before it locks so be it. Don’t play it’s called gambling for a reason.

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