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  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    Hi everyone, Nik here. We’re excited to share with you a big change to our NBA formatting for this season.

    If there’s one consistent frustration we’ve heard from NBA players, it’s the handling of inactive players. Whether it’s Pop late scratching LMA or a top-secret undisclosed mystery injury, it’s an awful experience when you’re drawing dead before the games even start. We call these events “avoidable zeroes”, and they’re the absolute worst.

    Over the summer we prototyped and tested a few different solutions and one thing became crystal clear – if we were going to make a change, we needed to make sure that the change was a fair change for everyone, and didn’t disadvantage one user segment while giving an advantage to another. I obviously can’t speak for every user, and while I’ve got a very loving (and patient!) wife at home, she’s got a limit to how much I’m glued to phone when we’re together. I’ve got friends who have kids, work nights, love the gym, and a whole host of different reasons why late swap simply doesn’t work for them. The division on the topic on the RG forums alone convinced us that it wasn’t the solution.

    Instead, we’re announcing a simple, yet powerful change: we’re dropping your lowest score. Call it best ball, call it a gimme, call it whatever you’d like. Bottom line, if a player puts up a zero, the score won’t count. Positions stay the same, scoring stays the same; we’ll simply only count your top 8. You don’t have to stay glued to your phone; you can pick that West Coast GTD with confidence and even he doesn’t go, you’re still in the running.

    Give it a try, and feel free to shoot me any feedback: nik.bonaddio@fanduel.com. Good luck!

    - NB

  • bigez952

    @tmarohl said...

    My best lineups last night were ones where I put a guy in knowing he wouldn’t play at minimum price and getting a zero, so I had zero deducted from my total rather than having actual points subtracted from my totals. The ones where I had a guy who actually scored, scores subtracted did worse. I’m thinking the SG spot is where you want your zero tonight.

    That sounds like a terrible strategy to take guys you know are not playing so you have a guaranteed 0 every night. You would think you would be better off paying a few hundred more and taking a punt that is actually playing and has a shot to contribute a ceiling game to offset a potential miss in the other 8 spots. Granted last night was only a 2 game slate so maybe that cheap value didn’t exist like it would on a larger slate.

  • tmarohl

    @bigez952 said...

    That sounds like a terrible strategy to take guys you know are not playing so you have a guaranteed 0 every night. You would think you would be better off paying a few hundred more and taking a punt that is actually playing and has a shot to contribute a ceiling game to offset a potential miss in the other 8 spots. Granted last night was only a 2 game slate so maybe that cheap value didn’t exist like it would on a larger slate.

    You already have a guaranteed zero with your lowest score being dropped.

  • Codyveo

    What’s everybody’s thoughts on the new FD NBA scoring system?

    I personally hate it and don’t understand the logic, part of the whole point of the NBA is finding value from the cheap guys, now you can plug a min priced guy in and just take the 0 and stack the other 8 spots. Just seems like a waste to me.

    Maybe I’m missing the point though?

  • BBROCK

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    There was another thread about this, but from what I got was that they were trying to appeal to the casual player that is not screwed when a player gets scratched, which could easily happen right before lock or for the later games.

    Personally, I like the old way better, but now my strategy has completely changed because of it. They could have just made a player swap and that would have made more sense IMO.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Looking at the early returns, I think it’s stupid as hell. In attempting to find a solution to a problem they fundamentally changed how the game is played, and at least in my estimation, compromised the integrity of the games themself.
    And I say that as someone who’s been helped more than hurt by the new format the last couple nights. If I can exploit the new format to profit than I’ll continue to do so, but if its not profitable, I’ll likely not waste any time on FD, because I don’t find the format to be fun or rewarding.

    Edit – this post is a bit redundant as I typed something similar the day before in this thread after my initial experience. Someone started a new post which I responded in since this one had disappeared, but apparently they were joined together. I only responded because I thought it was the start of a new thread/discussion.

  • jmo26

    As someone who’s never played much volume on FD, I kinda like it as a novelty sort of thing. Not sure I’d be too thrilled if that was where I was getting most of my action though.

  • tonytone1908

    The new format actually plays to my strong suits so it’s been good for me so far. I feel I might be able to take one down for the first time in quite a while.

  • DFSToddler

    The new format is far and away the worst change FanDuel has ever made to any sport. It’s almost as if the product team at FanDuel has never played fantasy sports. The amount of ties I’m seeing is completely out of control, and these are ties with what would have been unique lineups in seasons past. More ties are never a good thing. Last night, in the big $4 GPP the first place lineup would have had a lower score than the 4th place lineup using the old scoring system. Wasn’t their slogan once “Build a better lineup”…well I guess that’s not the case anymore.

    I’ve never once considered in the past going to DraftKings for my NBA play, but I’ve about reached my breaking point with this nonsense and am about to finally make the switch.

  • Puma103185

    So far I really like it. Playing more on Fan Duel. No longer going to be playing on Draft Kings because they moved to late swap. I think it adds a cool new dynamic.

  • superjon

    I want to touch on FDReps last statement about picking guys that are questionable in late games.

    The ones that really hurt were the Curries and Durants or Westbrooks.

    It’s still going to hurt when they get late scratched or when AD gets hurt in the first quarter.

    Yes the 0 gets dropped but you’ve still spent a good chunk of salary that could have been allocated in other ways.

    In this regard the solution isn’t much of a solution at all.

  • TheDataDetective

    • Blogger of the Month

    @superjon said...

    Yes the 0 gets dropped but you’ve still spent a good chunk of salary that could have been allocated in other ways.

    Yup, you hit the nail on the head. Without late swap, starting an injured blue chip player in a late game is just as much of a gamble now as it was last season because losing an expensive player to a late scratch would be nearly impossible to overcome. The opportunity cost of the squandered salary isn’t mitigated by the “free square” gimmick.

    FanDuel, please just add late swap like you offer with other sports.

  • pick6er

    Please, how does this sound logical? The Spectacular Slam tonight, 2nd took a $25,000 loss, his/her lowest scoring player was 20.5 pts Jared Dudley and his/her 2nd lowest scoring player was Donovan Mitchell 31.9. 1st place lowest scoring player was 9.4 pts from DiVincenzoand his/her 2nd lower scoring player was Etwuan Moore’s 19. Is this what Fanduel has come too? Nothing but drafting the highest ceiling players and a few punts, hoping it hits? Very disappointing… Might have to think twice from now on before I submit a lineup on Fanduel as this new format completely changes my thought process and 3 slates is not enough time to adequately adjust to the changes. Wish it was an ultimatum of implementing late swap or leaving the format alone. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  • pick6er

    @superjon said...

    I want to touch on FDReps last statement about picking guys that are questionable in late games.

    The ones that really hurt were the Curries and Durants or Westbrooks.

    It’s still going to hurt when they get late scratched or when AD gets hurt in the first quarter.

    Yes the 0 gets dropped but you’ve still spent a good chunk of salary that could have been allocated in other ways.

    In this regard the solution isn’t much of a solution at all.

    EXACTLY. You roster a $4k player to fit Durant, who’s playing at Oracle Arena, only to see 3 hours from lock he was scratched for “rest” and you just ate a $10k salary and tried to supplement Durant’s production with a $4k player. That’s like building a lineup on the old format and leaving $6k salary on the table, it’s just not ideal. Looks like a slate full of teams on back-to-backs tonight, we’ll see just how must everyone enjoys it when they get a scratch for rest.

  • moped_jones

    @Codyveo said...

    What’s everybody’s thoughts on the new FD NBA scoring system?

    I personally hate it and don’t understand the logic, part of the whole point of the NBA is finding value from the cheap guys, now you can plug a min priced guy in and just take the 0 and stack the other 8 spots. Just seems like a waste to me.

    Maybe I’m missing the point though?

    No, you aren’t missing the point. It is stupid.

    The best strategy I’ve seen so far is taking a min priced guy that will get some run and hope he does well. That way if you get a surprise late scratch later you don’t have two zeroes.

  • moped_jones

    @TheDataDetective said...

    FanDuel, please just add late swap like you offer with other sports.

    Seriously. This is not complicated. They took something that wasn’t broken……….then broke it……….then taped it back together.

  • noddy

    Love it.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    After a small sample size, I’m not a fan of this new format. I really wish they just left it how it was, the late swap fans could play on DK, us non late swap could play on FD.

  • moped_jones

    @bhdevault said...

    After a small sample size, I’m not a fan of this new format. I really wish they just left it how it was, the late swap fans could play on DK, us non late swap could play on FD.

    There was really no reason to change it. You either have late swap or you don’t. None of this “inbetween” garbage.

    At the very least they should offer their normal format (with similar contests/prizes) along with “lowest score dropped” so they can see which one people prefer. Maybe offer late swap, no late swap, and lowest score dropped and see which one is more popular?

  • Zieg30

    • 964

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    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @bhdevault said...

    After a small sample size, I’m not a fan of this new format. I really wish they just left it how it was, the late swap fans could play on DK, us non late swap could play on FD.

    I’m only enjoying it now because it’s “new”, but, as many have already indicated previously, it’s a fundamentally flawed “fix” to the problem of late scratches.

    I’d really like to see FD implement a late swap system whereby you can only swap the scratched player, but I recognize that would require an added level of monitoring by FD and add complications (e.g. what if it’s announced 5 minutes before lock and FD doesn’t notice it in time, etc.).

  • Puma103185

    @TheDataDetective said...

    Yup, you hit the nail on the head. Without late swap, starting an injured blue chip player in a late game is just as much of a gamble now as it was last season because losing an expensive player to a late scratch would be nearly impossible to overcome. The opportunity cost of the squandered salary isn’t mitigated by the “free square” gimmick.

    FanDuel, please just add late swap like you offer with other sports.

    Why would they move to late swap when it would cause a decent portion of their players to quit playing?

    None of you that want late swap think about how it impacts players that don’t have time. Draft Kings went to late swap and I am done for playing on the site because the way incentives are setup. It makes more sense to play all my action on one site. So Draft Kings not only loses my action for NBA but they lost it for college and NFL also. For Draft Kings to get me to reinvest any new deposits on their site the incentive is going to have to be huge to pull me back from Fan Duel.

    These websites aren’t pulling a ton of new players anymore so retention is becoming a bigger deal. The simpler solution would be to run leagues on their site with both options.

    They would probably be better off running two medium size tournaments with both options then one large one.

  • moped_jones

    @Puma103185 said...

    None of you that want late swap think about how it impacts players that don’t have time.

    Why should I be punished b/c you don’t have time to take this seriously?

    I’m not going to apologize for having an awesome wife that is totally cool with letting me do this.

  • moped_jones

    @Puma103185 said...

    These websites aren’t pulling a ton of new players anymore so retention is becoming a bigger deal. The simpler solution would be to run leagues on their site with both options.

    You have no way of knowing this unless you work for them.

  • moped_jones

    @Puma103185 said...

    Why would they move to late swap when it would cause a decent portion of their players to quit playing?

    Again, you have no way of knowing this unless you work for them.

    They went how many years without doing this? How long have they been around? I didn’t start playing until fall of 2015.

  • Puma103185

    @moped_jones said...

    You have no way of knowing this unless you work for them.

    There are analytic companies that monitor this. Talk to anyone that works in the industry it’s the truth.

    The late swaps have gone back and forth with both companies for different sports.

  • Puma103185

    @moped_jones said...

    Why should I be punished b/c you don’t have time to take this seriously?

    I’m not going to apologize for having an awesome wife that is totally cool with letting me do this.

    You are not being punished you are playing by the same rules and facing the same risks as everyone else. If you don’t like the rules and want an advantage over those that don’t have time play on draft kings.

    Also you are missing the main point of the whole thing. Which is that if they switch the rules they lose me not only for NBA but for every other sport also and I wouldn’t be the only one. It makes zero financial sense for them to push players like me off their site completely. I was playing a lot on Draft Kings before. They are now getting practically zero action on any of my sports now.

    What people on this forum don’t realize is they make up a very small percentage of players. The reality it is in everyone’s best interest to not push away the casual players. Having late swap puts the casual player at such a disadvantage it will completely turn them off to playing.

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