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  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    Hi everyone, Nik here. We’re excited to share with you a big change to our NBA formatting for this season.

    If there’s one consistent frustration we’ve heard from NBA players, it’s the handling of inactive players. Whether it’s Pop late scratching LMA or a top-secret undisclosed mystery injury, it’s an awful experience when you’re drawing dead before the games even start. We call these events “avoidable zeroes”, and they’re the absolute worst.

    Over the summer we prototyped and tested a few different solutions and one thing became crystal clear – if we were going to make a change, we needed to make sure that the change was a fair change for everyone, and didn’t disadvantage one user segment while giving an advantage to another. I obviously can’t speak for every user, and while I’ve got a very loving (and patient!) wife at home, she’s got a limit to how much I’m glued to phone when we’re together. I’ve got friends who have kids, work nights, love the gym, and a whole host of different reasons why late swap simply doesn’t work for them. The division on the topic on the RG forums alone convinced us that it wasn’t the solution.

    Instead, we’re announcing a simple, yet powerful change: we’re dropping your lowest score. Call it best ball, call it a gimme, call it whatever you’d like. Bottom line, if a player puts up a zero, the score won’t count. Positions stay the same, scoring stays the same; we’ll simply only count your top 8. You don’t have to stay glued to your phone; you can pick that West Coast GTD with confidence and even he doesn’t go, you’re still in the running.

    Give it a try, and feel free to shoot me any feedback: nik.bonaddio@fanduel.com. Good luck!

    - NB

  • mambaland

    @pkallday84 said...

    Still throwing the same old lame excuse of “people work late or have children.” Don’t play that night if you dont have time to review your lineup. Its that’s simple.

    uh i think FD wants people to play as its a sound business model….its not about what you want or think its about what is good for the company as a whole..more people want it than do not want it and even if that is not true those who do not want it will not stop playing but those who want it will stop

  • kujo33

    I have played way less than previous years and it is 100% because I hate this new format. There used to be fairly large $1 and $2 GPPs which have now crept up over $7. If this business model is working then great but I have been playing mainly (90%) on DK this year because of it and pretty much only played on FD before this year.

  • Joe1Coal

    I have played the same amount. It’s fine. You get a chance to take a shot on guys at $3,500. But I’ve seen lineups where the lowest price guy was $5,100 (and they won) and they had to drop a score from a 6k guy. So, I think it’s way overblown on this being a big deal.

  • Dooks

    @FDRep said...

    We’re definitely looking into this – from a pure game construction perspective, I’m on the opinion that the more flexibility you have around positions, the better the game is. There’s a lot of data we need to look at before we’d make that change – the most notable being that we need to make sure it doesn’t disadvantage one group over another – but it’s definitely something we’ve gotten feedback about and something we’re looking at.

    - NB

    NOOOOOOOO, please don’t. I actually prefer the PG PG SG SG SF SF PF PF C format much more than DKs format.

  • pkallday84

    @bhdevault said...

    It’s amazing these reps stick around when they get abused by posts like this.

    I’m sure some of these members weren’t around when we went a good 2 year stretch with ZERO communication from the big 2 Reps. They deserve more respect, even if you disagree with them.

    Make your point without verbally abusing them or they may disappear again and we will go back to no communication. Would you prefer that?

    If you consider what i stated verbal abuse then you need a new definition. My problem is not the format of not having late swap. My problem is the excuse for not having it. The reason they continue to give is piss poor and I will continue to stand by that.

  • superjon

    @pkallday84 said...

    If you consider what i stated verbal abuse then you need a new definition. My problem is not the format of not having late swap. My problem is the excuse for not having it. The reason they continue to give is piss poor and I will continue to stand by that.

    The excuse is valid.

    At 7pm (or whenever the slate locks), I want to be able to put down my phone and stop thinking about basketball for that night. I don’t want to have to pay attention to see which alerts come in so I can frantically make changes to my line ups.

    The excuse for not having late swap doesn’t suck, it’s their solution (drop the score) that’s terrible.

    A better idea would be to just have an Auto Swap feature. Basically if someone on your roster gets scratched before their tip off, then it would automatically swap to the closest player in salary. Now you no longer have to worry about late scratches, and you can relax after the slate locks.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    The real answer should be: Everything isn’t for Everyone.

    The majority of NBA at this point in the season becomes player news and availability, if you can’t be bothered to keep up with that. Don’t play NBA.
    And I don’t say that as someone glued to my screen all night, I say that as someone that cut back on NBA last year because I had the realization that it might no longer be for me.
    But fine, If you still really want to play NBA. Guess what? There’s Tiers (less to keep track of) on DK’s. There’s single games on both sites. There’s also turbo slates on each site that allow you to play games where you’ll know the lineups at lock.

    But you know. It’s much easier to think whatever your personal preference is is the only one that matters and everything should be shaped to appease those desires. It’s easy to feel that way when there are always a handful of moronic companies that miatlingly chase that shifting goal line and the impossible task of making everybody happy.

  • yisman

    @superjon said...

    The excuse is valid.

    At 7pm (or whenever the slate locks), I want to be able to put down my phone and stop thinking about basketball for that night. I don’t want to have to pay attention to see which alerts come in so I can frantically make changes to my line ups.

    The excuse for not having late swap doesn’t suck, it’s their solution (drop the score) that’s terrible.

    A better idea would be to just have an Auto Swap feature. Basically if someone on your roster gets scratched before their tip off, then it would automatically swap to the closest player in salary. Now you no longer have to worry about late scratches, and you can relax after the slate locks.

    I think auto swap is reasonable but imagine if there’s a chalk guy who’s a late scratch and then 30% of people are auto swapped to someone who happens to have a huge night.

    Other people would be upset by losing to a whole bunch of people who didn’t even pick that player (but “lucked” into him).

    The best solution, as mentioned many times, is to only allow changes to the one spot where you got a late scratch. Hopefully this will be implemented some day. This would mean you don’t have to sit all night on the computer to re-do lineups. All you would have to do is have your phone on you and if you do get a late scratch, you edit that one spot to a different player who is actually playing. Nice and easy from your phone. It doesn’t sound like the NBA will ever have integrity or honesty, so all we can do is hope the DFS sites implement a fix.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @yisman said...

    I think auto swap is reasonable but imagine if there’s a chalk guy who’s a late scratch and then 30% of people are auto swapped to someone who happens to have a huge night.

    Other people would be upset by losing to a whole bunch of people who didn’t even pick that player (but “lucked” into him).

    The best solution, as mentioned many times, is to only allow changes to the one spot where you got a late scratch. Hopefully this will be implemented some day. This would mean you don’t have to sit all night on the computer to re-do lineups. All you would have to do is have your phone on you and if you do get a late scratch, you edit that one spot to a different player who is actually playing. Nice and easy from your phone. It doesn’t sound like the NBA will ever have integrity or honesty, so all we can do is hope the DFS sites implement a fix.

    Honestly, I’ve said it many times, the best solution was as it was last season. I profited off late scratches MUCH more than I did getting hurt from it. That’s the thing people don’t account for. They just tilt the night it happens.

    I’m still not a huge fan, personally, of this new system, but I still play on FD so I can stop focusing on my lineups after lock.

  • ThatStunna

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    Fanduel deserves some credit for better dealing with players scratched after their game locks. (Stanley Johnson, Derrick Rose, etc.)

  • superjon

    @yisman said...

    The best solution, as mentioned many times, is to only allow changes to the one spot where you got a late scratch. Hopefully this will be implemented some day. This would mean you don’t have to sit all night on the computer to re-do lineups. All you would have to do is have your phone on you and if you do get a late scratch, you edit that one spot to a different player who is actually playing. Nice and easy from your phone. It doesn’t sound like the NBA will ever have integrity or honesty, so all we can do is hope the DFS sites implement a fix.

    This is exactly what I suggested except it would be automatic.

    Basically, you roster RWB and he has a GTD tag.

    He gets scratched after lock. He’s automatically swapped out for another PG that is nearest in salary.

  • yisman

    @superjon said...

    This is exactly what I suggested except it would be automatic.

    Basically, you roster RWB and he has a GTD tag.

    He gets scratched after lock. He’s automatically swapped out for another PG that is nearest in salary.

    I know. I responded to that with the objection that many would have.

  • moped_jones

    @FDRep said...

    The flip side to this argument is the many, many people you won’t see posting in this thread, because they work late, have children, or simply don’t want to follow the breaking news post-lock.

    Your argument is a bunch of hypothetical people that may or may not exist? Interesting strategy.

    Bring back late swap & keep the “drop the low score” games. Offer equal size contests/prizes & let the people decide (with their $$$) which ones are more popular.

    This isn’t nearly as complicated as you’ve made it.

    “95% of the posts referencing me on here are basically telling me how much I suck”

    So what are you doing about that? People tell you what they want. Some people (like me) even offer solutions…and nothing changes.

  • moped_jones

    @pkallday84 said...

    Still throwing the same old lame excuse of “people work late or have children.” Don’t play that night if you dont have time to review your lineup. Its that’s simple. By far the most piss poor excuse for not having late swap I’ve ever heard. But yet the NFL, which gives us injury updates all week long, has late swap.

    That’s the thing I don’t get. They offer late swap in other sports, so what’s the point of singling out basketball?

    I’m sure they will say football is once a week and typically people have Sunday’s off. Do people not have kids on weekends? Is every DFS player divorced and not have their kids on Sundays?

    FD needs to offer both types of games (late swap & drop lowest score) with similar sized contests & prizes. The market can decide which is more popular. (Don’t do it like last year when they brought late swap back but had really crappy contests/prizes and said “see, people don’t like late swap!”). They need to be the same for the market to decide what they like best.

  • moped_jones

    @DavidRevered said...

    Building the best possible team every slate …not dropping a random lowest score…..all these gimmicks just making it look more and more like a game of luck, which it really is…..this just gives those arguments more leway.

    Weren’t they trying to argue this as a game of skill? So why add more “luck” to it?

  • moped_jones

    @Jvanspro said...

    There are a lot of people that do like the change, just don’t post cause the crowd against it will just criticize.

    How do you know this?

  • moped_jones

    @pkallday84 said...

    If you consider what i stated verbal abuse then you need a new definition. My problem is not the format of not having late swap. My problem is the excuse for not having it. The reason they continue to give is piss poor and I will continue to stand by that.

    I was thinking the same thing. There was nothing (but a little frustration) in your post. No personal attacks or anything like that. No swear words.

  • KGBKEN

    It’s good to see that FD rep actually reads our posts and responds to them. I thank you Nik for letting us know you hear our concerns. I bet it would be nearly impossible to respond to each individual. I feel I’ve ranted and my views were heard. I’m sure the powers that be will do what they feel is best for their site. Personally, I spent my week on DK and have returned to play on FD. Roster construction is completely different on each site. I did not like the multi positions for each player on DK. Crazy thing is since my rant I’ve been slightly more successful as I’ve adapted my game to the new roster construction model that FD now requires. Fact is as much as I suffered when Booker was out I profited from other late scratch news. I stand with others when I reiterate that the “drop the lowest score” did not solve the late scratch problem, however the FD platform is still my favorite DFS site to play and I appreciate having the ability to play daily.

  • TnCowboy

    If this is truly to help those that don’t have time to do the research, then riddle me this…..why, in almost every position on almost every slate, does FanDuel continue to hide guys in plain sight that were waived or sent down to D League, etc? No red O or yellow GTD next to his name. If you really cared, those guys would not be visible or at least me minimum price and OUT.

  • iggydash

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    Anyone who is not a max-out player and believes that any form of late swap or score drop helps them is deluding themselves. If FD and DK truly want to help the average guy, they’d eliminate late swap and go back to the method that they were using last season. Late swap does nothing but help the highest end players (i fall into this category) who can make full-scale pivots that do not react by simply replacing a late scratch, but by optimizing the replacement players en masse nearly instantaneously. I’m being frank about this because I’d rather lose a little ROI by having late swap go away than sit at my computer for an extra 3-4 hours every night waiting on news to drop.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @iggydash said...

    Anyone who is not a max-out player and believes that any form of late swap or score drop helps them is deluding themselves. If FD and DK truly want to help the average guy, they’d eliminate late swap and go back to the method that they were using last season. Late swap does nothing but help the highest end players (i fall into this category) who can make full-scale pivots that do not react by simply replacing a late scratch, but by optimizing the replacement players en masse nearly instantaneously. I’m being frank about this because I’d rather lose a little ROI by having late swap go away than sit at my computer for an extra 3-4 hours every night waiting on news to drop.

    Unfortunately most of the player base do not understand this. That’s the biggest problem. Many sharps try to explain it to them, but they simply don’t get it. They lose a player on one night and it tilts them for months.

  • iggydash

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    @bhdevault said...

    Unfortunately most of the player base do not understand this. That’s the biggest problem. Many sharps try to explain it to them, but they simply don’t get it. They lose a player on one night and it tilts them for months.

    I can sympathize with FD/DK’s collective dilemma here. They should be listening to what the majority (read: casuals) wants, but in this instance the majority is clamoring to shoot themselves in the foot. It’s tough.

  • txdave41

    The drop score hasn’t done jack to help me. I took a crack at the slate tonight even though I wouldnt be near a computer near lock. Sure enough, my typical crap luck, I pick Hardaway and my lineup is already doomed because I already have a 3500 crapper player. No lineup can survive two dead slots.

    After 5 years of playing, Fanduel, you have permanently lost me as a customer. I’m done after this last deposit dries up and taking my business to Draftkings or yahoo. Just ridiculous that late swap is offered in MLB where it matters less and not NBA.

  • CUTiger81

    @txdave41 said...

    The drop score hasn’t done jack to help me. I took a crack at the slate tonight even though I wouldnt be near a computer near lock. Sure enough, my typical crap luck, I pick Hardaway and my lineup is already doomed because I already have a 3500 crapper player. No lineup can survive two dead slots.

    After 5 years of playing, Fanduel, you have permanently lost me as a customer. I’m done after this last deposit dries up and taking my business to Draftkings or yahoo. Just ridiculous that late swap is offered in MLB where it matters less and not NBA.

    Tim Hardaway Jr. was ruled out more than 30 minutes before lock so let’s not act like this is a late swap issue. If you missed it, that’s on you….that’s not crap luck, that’s you not paying attention. If you’re playing NBA DFS and don’t have notifications set up from RG, Labs NBA on Twitter, DR or any number of other outlets that provide notifications then you really just shouldn’t be playing or at the very least not complaining.

  • CUTiger81

    @iggydash said...

    I can sympathize with FD/DK’s collective dilemma here. They should be listening to what the majority (read: casuals) wants, but in this instance the majority is clamoring to shoot themselves in the foot. It’s tough.

    I’ve always been against late swap but at the end of the day, it’s what people want and if they don’t realize that it’s bad for them then that’s not really DK/FD’s issue. I’m softening on the late swap issue though because it’s just so damn easy to make swaps. Notification pops up on my phone “”(player-popup #jeff-teague)Jeff Teague”:/players/jeff-teague-1005 has been ruled out” and I can process who that stands to benefit in about 2 minutes. The people who aren’t willing to spend the 2 minutes it takes to make that swap are the people who are going to complain if there’s no late swap because they “got screwed” and are going to complain if there is late swap because “the sites only cater to the high stakes players.” The people who really enjoy DFS and will still be playing a year or two from now will adjust regardless of the setup.

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