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  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    Hi everyone, Nik here. We’re excited to share with you a big change to our NBA formatting for this season.

    If there’s one consistent frustration we’ve heard from NBA players, it’s the handling of inactive players. Whether it’s Pop late scratching LMA or a top-secret undisclosed mystery injury, it’s an awful experience when you’re drawing dead before the games even start. We call these events “avoidable zeroes”, and they’re the absolute worst.

    Over the summer we prototyped and tested a few different solutions and one thing became crystal clear – if we were going to make a change, we needed to make sure that the change was a fair change for everyone, and didn’t disadvantage one user segment while giving an advantage to another. I obviously can’t speak for every user, and while I’ve got a very loving (and patient!) wife at home, she’s got a limit to how much I’m glued to phone when we’re together. I’ve got friends who have kids, work nights, love the gym, and a whole host of different reasons why late swap simply doesn’t work for them. The division on the topic on the RG forums alone convinced us that it wasn’t the solution.

    Instead, we’re announcing a simple, yet powerful change: we’re dropping your lowest score. Call it best ball, call it a gimme, call it whatever you’d like. Bottom line, if a player puts up a zero, the score won’t count. Positions stay the same, scoring stays the same; we’ll simply only count your top 8. You don’t have to stay glued to your phone; you can pick that West Coast GTD with confidence and even he doesn’t go, you’re still in the running.

    Give it a try, and feel free to shoot me any feedback: nik.bonaddio@fanduel.com. Good luck!

    - NB

  • noddy

    @dolphinkick182 said...

    Why not just go with late swap? Why give out a free square? So this means I go with a low salary punt, if they do well great, if they don’t, then who cares, it was a free square. I don’t like it.

    What’s your solution? He explained why they didn’t go with late swap

  • mcgruffthecrimedog

    I think this is actually a really good idea. DK is bringing back lateswap so I like that FD is doing something different. There will def be a new type of strategy involved and maybe the pros wont have as much of an edge, especially early on with it.

  • dolphinkick182

    Late swap. With this, at the end of the slate and the lowest scores drop, noddy goes from 1st to 15th, we’ll see the noddy rage lol.

  • mtdurham

    @cburg74 said...

    I think you will see that most people will now just roster a min. priced guy at the thinnest position(essentially take a “zero”), and then use the extra salary to load up the other 8 players. Just my 2 cents….

    yeah i think the issue here is everyone will just play a min price guy at SF or whatever so when your player gets late scratched elsewhere now you’re essentially eating a min priced “non zero” instead of a zero…

    it’s not the best nor the worst solution… overall i gvie them credit for at least trying something here

  • noddy

    @dolphinkick182 said...

    Late swap. With this, at the end of the slate and the lowest scores drop, noddy goes from 1st to 15th, we’ll see the noddy rage lol.

    Haha I’m never that close to 1st. I’ll go from 33,000 to 40,000

  • dolphinkick182

    @noddy said...

    Haha I’m never that close to 1st

    lol.

  • noddy

    I think there’s more of a strategy than just punting some min priced player.

  • gaelicgirl

    @Jvanspro said...

    It’s the lowest score. Meaning you build a lineup of 9 and the top 8 scores count.

    Then I agree completely with NBAFTeam1’s comment on today’s NBA thread:
    “Fanduel is beyond dumb. There are so many issues with this. For example, if I am in the money with a score of 300 (lowest scoring player 20 points) and the guy behind me, out of the money, has a score of 295 (lowest scoring player 14), he jumps ahead of me and I lose? Wtf?”

    This is a hideous idea.

  • noddy

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Then I agree completely with NBAFTeam1’s comment on today’s NBA thread:
    “Fanduel is beyond dumb. There are so many issues with this. For example, if I am in the money with a score of 300 (lowest scoring player 20 points) and the guy behind me, out of the money, has a score of 295 (lowest scoring player 14), he jumps ahead of me and I lose? Wtf?”

    This is a hideous idea.

    It’s beyond dumb if you can’t figure out this might happen.

  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    @mtdurham said...

    yeah i think the issue here is everyone will just play a min price guy at SF or whatever so when your player gets late scratched elsewhere now you’re essentially eating a min priced “non zero” instead of a zero…

    it’s not the best nor the worst solution… overall i gvie them credit for at least trying something here

    I think people will do this up until the time in which they punt the position AND a player gets scratched late.

    Either way, it was important for us to give the agency to the player to carve out a strategy and risk tolerance that works for them. But not as important as making sure that you’re not at a disadvantage because you work nights, or because you want to hang out with your kids at 7:30pm.

    - NB

  • dolphinkick182

    @noddy said...

    I think there’s more of a strategy than just punting some min prices player.

    it’ll depend on the slate size I think. At least I won’t have to worry about being $100 short of taking the player that I think will make my LU perfect lol. I don’t know why it always works out that way for me….

  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    @noddy said...

    I think there’s more of a strategy than just punting some min priced player.

    Yep. It’s easy to assume this will be the predominant strategy right now, when everyone is healthy, expectations are normalized, and you’re not looking at a slate with multiple GTD players. Come March when teams are tanking, players are injured, and news is tough to come by, perhaps not so much.

    - NB

  • captainwacky

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    I don’t know why I feel compelled to keep bringing this up… but you’re not playing against Fanduel, you’re playing against other people. So they changed the formatting, and it affects everyone the same way, which shouldn’t matter if you believe you’re skilled enough to beat other people. This is the same story as pricing discrepancies, soft pricing, good or bad slates, etc. The goal is to beat other humans with the same sets of rules that you have, so I don’t get why people panic over formatting change.

  • lineupofpeace

    How does this do anything to resolve the issue with late scratches? I understand the intent but it’s not going to play out this way at all.

    Like everyone else has said, all this does is change everyone’s approach. Playing one min price player every night as a punt will almost always be the optimal strategy.

    If a higher priced player gets late scratched, it’s still not going to help that his score gets dropped. You’re not drawing as dead, but effectively you’re playing a 58k lineup vs 60k lineups.

  • noddy

    @FDRep said...

    I think people will do this up until the time in which they punt the position AND a player gets scratched late.

    Either way, it was important for us to give the agency to the player to carve out a strategy and risk tolerance that works for them. But not as important as making sure that you’re not at a disadvantage because you work nights, or because you want to hang out with your kids at 7:30pm.

    - NB

    This is great. It helps a lot of people and I’m glad I have a much less chance of taking a 0 now.

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Then I agree completely with NBAFTeam1’s comment on today’s NBA thread:
    “Fanduel is beyond dumb. There are so many issues with this. For example, if I am in the money with a score of 300 (lowest scoring player 20 points) and the guy behind me, out of the money, has a score of 295 (lowest scoring player 14), he jumps ahead of me and I lose? Wtf?”

    This is a hideous idea.

    I am sure scoring through out the night will not include your lowest score thus making this irrelevant. On fantasy draft they drop your lowest score and it doesn’t happen at the end of the night.

  • Njsum1

    Victiv, used to do this. And yes most people would roster the cheapest player on the board and use more salary for their top 8, taking on the late scratch risk. Hoping they didn’t get a scratch, this way their top 8 would be strong. However, it wasn’t always the best strategy. Anyway, I loved this format. So many strategies you can use, and you didn’t have to be glued to your phone all night to compete. I opened a fanduel account, yet never deposited there, that will likely change. Good job Fanduel.

  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Then I agree completely with NBAFTeam1’s comment on today’s NBA thread:
    “Fanduel is beyond dumb. There are so many issues with this. For example, if I am in the money with a score of 300 (lowest scoring player 20 points) and the guy behind me, out of the money, has a score of 295 (lowest scoring player 14), he jumps ahead of me and I lose? Wtf?”

    This is a hideous idea.

    The order of operations there isn’t correct. In your scenario, the scoreboard wouldn’t show 300 and 295. It’d show 281 and 280.

    If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re worried that you’d be on top all night and then all of a sudden we’d drop the lowest scores of everyone and the leaderboard would go haywire. That’s not the case.

    - NB

  • lwel21

    • 820

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    Will living scoring reflect the lowest score being dropped so everyone knows how their teams stand in real time?

  • dolphinkick182

    @FDRep said...

    I think people will do this up until the time in which they punt the position AND a player gets scratched late.

    Either way, it was important for us to give the agency to the player to carve out a strategy and risk tolerance that works for them. But not as important as making sure that you’re not at a disadvantage because you work nights, or because you want to hang out with your kids at 7:30pm.

    - NB

    I’d agree with this if I was playing like $5 a night. But anybody playing any sort of real money is paying attention all night. They don’t set it and forget it even if they claim to be.

  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    @dolphinkick182 said...

    I’d agree with this if I was playing like $5 a night. But anybody playing any sort of real money is paying attention all night. They don’t set it and forget it even if they claim to be.

    Sure, but I think a lot of people have often accused us (and to be fair, our competitors) of caring more about the high-volume, high-entry players. I didn’t think that was true then, and it’s absolutely not true now. If someone is paying attention all night, great, but that’s an assumption we can’t and shouldn’t make.

    Gotta run for a sec, but I’ll reply more later. Thanks for the questions!

    - NB

  • Ace15

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Then I agree completely with NBAFTeam1’s comment on today’s NBA thread:
    “Fanduel is beyond dumb. There are so many issues with this. For example, if I am in the money with a score of 300 (lowest scoring player 20 points) and the guy behind me, out of the money, has a score of 295 (lowest scoring player 14), he jumps ahead of me and I lose? Wtf?”

    This is a hideous idea.

    Agree, instead of figuring 9 of 9 most optimal guys, I now only need to choose 8 of 9. There’s skill and luck to winning GPP, with this I feel like you rely less on skill/research in determining lineup configuration. Also, how often does a late scratch really even affect us? Maybe 8 or 9 times a year..Creating a solution for a situation that barely occurs in a season, yet it will change the whole dynamic of how NBA is played on FD.

  • lineupofpeace

    @noddy said...

    This is great. It helps a lot of people and I’m glad I have a much less chance of taking a 0 now.

    Oh great! Anthony Davis was late scratched, I’ll just replace his score with Taj Gibson – thanks FanDuel this solves everything!

    This doesn’t solve late scratches which occur very infrequently anyway – this only changes the entire strategy of how to approach NBA.

  • MrFantasy

    I like this a lot. I feel like most comments will be people who don’t like this and many that do like it wont comment. That’s how message boards usually work with this kind of stuff.

    Back when I played a lot of volume I still couldn’t be glued to my phone and often times watched 5 minutes of basketball a night. Family, life, other things are more important most nights. Not everyone is watching the NBA games play out for 6-7 hours a night. I’d be fine with either no late swap or this drop low score offering.

    All I can say is give it a chance. Everyone is quick to judgement but until we see how it works and plays out there is no reason to hate it.

  • noddy

    @Ace15 said...

    Agree, instead of figuring 9 of 9 most optimal guys, I now only need to choose 8 of 9. There’s skill and luck to winning GPP, with this I feel like you rely less on skill/research in determining lineup configuration. Also, how often does a late scratch really even affect us? Maybe 8 or 9 times a year..Creating a solution for a situation that barely occurs in a season, yet it will change the whole dynamic of how NBA is played on FD.

    Um it occurs a lot and there are many times it doesn’t occur but you don’t know that at lock. Now you can take a chance with a player that is questionable in the late game. Great job FD

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