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  • monaco712

    The sites are similar but I will talk about DraftKings. In scoring for a pitcher a win is only worth 4 Points and a strikeout is two points. I believe that a win should be worth more than the value of 2 strikeouts. The emphasis on strikeouts generally draws people to the same group of pictures with a high strikeout upside and away from the game managers who will pitch seven Innings and give up three runs but only have a handful of strikeouts. Putting a greater emphasis on a win will spread out the ownership on pitchers an add more strategy to the game. I think making a win 6 points would balance it out. Agree or disagree?

  • btwice80

    A win should be worth zero points.

    Okay, maybe two. But fine, I’ll compromise at four.

  • flip4flop

    I disagree. If a pitcher goes 6 innings throws 6-7 SOs and his offense sucks and gets him 1 run. Then the bullpen blows it and gives up 4 runs costing them the game why should I be penalized by that and the guy who picked Bregman who cant strike anyone out but got lucky with SEA offense who gifted him 10 runs get a bunch more points that had nothing to do with the pitcher’s ability.

    I am glad FD took the points for Ws down and went with the QS feature. I think if anything DK should add that in.

  • bigez952

    100% agree that many times wins are totally out of control of the pitcher. Look at Chris Sale his last start he struck out 10 and only gave up 1 run over 8 innings but didn’t get the win since his team scored 0 runs. As long as Draftkings properly prices pitchers with high strikeout upside there is still plenty of strategy where you can roster a game manager type of pitcher and spend up for the top bats or go with value bats and high strikeout pitchers. No way should wins be valued anymore than they already are as that is much more a team stat than an individual pitching one.

  • YoungFischer

    The problem isn’t the win. The problem is that strikeouts are weighted too heavily. And the penalty for an earned run is too low. And an IP isn’t high enough.

    But you are complaining about overlap and that is 100% a player pricing issue.

  • mabrla

    It certainly was a skill last year being able to identify scrub pitchers that would be able to get a win. You could dig deep into bullpen data and see that, if with a lead, the probability of the pitcher sustaining a win after 5-7 strong. Was one of my biggest advantages last year on FD.

    The change to quality starts alone has cut my ROI significantly this year as you’re forced to roster high K guys now. I used to get away with scrubs that went 5-7, gave up 1-2, and had 4-7 K’s.

    You just can’t do that anymore.

  • btwice80

    @YoungFischer said...

    The problem is that strikeouts are weighted too heavily. And the penalty for an earned run is too low. And an IP isn’t high enough.

    Agreed. Definitely would prefer clean innings to be given a little more value relative to strikeouts, although not a huge adjustment since strikeouts are the most predictive stat from game to game.

  • madmanjayWV

    @monaco712 said...

    The sites are similar but I will talk about DraftKings. In scoring for a pitcher a win is only worth 4 Points and a strikeout is two points. I believe that a win should be worth more than the value of 2 strikeouts. The emphasis on strikeouts generally draws people to the same group of pictures with a high strikeout upside and away from the game managers who will pitch seven Innings and give up three runs but only have a handful of strikeouts. Putting a greater emphasis on a win will spread out the ownership on pitchers an add more strategy to the game. I think making a win 6 points would balance it out. Agree or disagree?

    That’s the beauty of it —- b/c not only do the max entry sharps play the best K combinations at SP — but then they can go FLUFF and GRUFF with cheap pitchers and Grizzly hitters…

  • TeamTwerk

    Ground ball pitchers get screwed with DK scoring system. I would like to see a weak ground ball out score extra points. Obviously not as much as a strikeout but more than a warning track shot. Inducing weak ground balls is a legitimate and predictive pitching skill that doesn’t translate really at all to DFS under the current scoring system.

  • walkoff9

    Id have no issue with strikeouts being worth less and innings pitched worth more.

    But more points for a win is a bad idea.

  • walkoff9

    Needed more than walks from fowler and carpenter…

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Agree with those against it.
    Not letting the ball into play is the best result a pitcher can have within their control and should be scored as such…there’s a reason those guys are the highest paid in real life too.

    Fine with innings pitched getting a bump, as mentioned above (if it’s proven it would help the non k guys).
    And while I’m thinking about scoring heavier based on what’s more in the Pitchers control and less luck – I wouldn’t mind seeing Walks weighted with a larger negative score than hits.

  • madmanjayWV

    I still think they screwed up like on FD (TAKING OUT) when you lost -0.25 per out by your batter (in the box) —

    Nothing better than moving up while late game guys go 0 fer

  • scottyb21

    couldn’t agree more

  • Olhausen

    I think DK should definitely go to quality starts instead of wins for points. I think all sites should do this and not award points based on wins and losses.

  • makeitra1n

    @madmanjayWV said...

    I still think they screwed up like on FD (TAKING OUT) when you lost -0.25 per out by your batter (in the box) —

    Nothing better than moving up while late game guys go 0 fer

    Actually if you’re looking for the origin where fd started tanking here it is.prior to them taking a complete 180 and changing the scoring like crazy in mlb,they were WORLDS,EONS better than DK.ever since they tried to copy DK in everything they started falling apart lol

  • SA16

    Extremely bad take.

  • Unico10

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    Only change I would make is to give 1pt for each Out instead of .75 (DK)

  • markaw4

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    This idea may be from left field (Get it ha) but what about scoring pitching sort of like a Defense in NFL DFS. So instead of starting Strasburg you would start “Washington Pitching”. That way you would have to consider bullpens as well. Same scoring for Ks, Runs, etc. but you would get stats the whole game. Maybe you could subtract points for errors as well. Just a crazy thought.

  • KindGuy

    @markaw4 said...

    This idea may be from left field (Get it ha) but what about scoring pitching sort of like a Defense in NFL DFS. So instead of starting Strasburg you would start “Washington Pitching”. That way you would have to consider bullpens as well. Same scoring for Ks, Runs, etc. but you would get stats the whole game. Maybe you could subtract points for errors as well. Just a crazy thought.

    victiv did that.

  • markaw4

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    You are right I forgot about that

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