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  • Ryazan

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    This is slightly a DFS statement, but in general Rodgers, while many thought he is the next big great, he is actually nothing special.

    I watch every single game, and basically this year, the only good stats that he gets are garbage time stats, and any other occasion, he fails over and over and over.

    I actually have never seen anyone this year, that makes it seem like SUCH a labor to just get a TD when inside the oppositions 10 yard line. I watch every game, I see how he just plays like an average QB.

    So to end this, can we all agree that Rodgers is just not a good QB?

  • Mikey1508

    So you would rank in the middle of the pack QBs, so there are about 14-15 QBS better than him? If so, no I can not say that at all. Rodgers is obviously special, his receivers can’t get open, and devante adams is a bum.

    If you are talking purely DFS, then yes he is an average QB.

  • Ryazan

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    @Mikey1508 said...

    So you would rank in the middle of the pack QBs, so there are about 14-15 QBS better than him? If so, no I can not say that at all. Rodgers is obviously special, his receivers can’t get open, and devante adams is a bum.

    If you are talking purely DFS, then yes he is an average QB.

    he used to be great, this year, he is awful. He is not making any injury excuse, so I have to assume that something is just wrong overall with the system/playcalling/actual head of Rodgers.

    I never use him, but I see him play in every game this year, and the trend seems to be very clear – he gets his team in the red zone multiple times every game, and he makes it look like hard labor just to get into the endzone every time…the kind of thing like he’s at the oppoments 12 yard line with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd, and after about 6 plays that have a sack and some short passes included, they kick a field goal 4 minutes later. I’m not joking here, I WATCH THIS EVERY TIME ON REDZONE, the packers have such a horrible offense….whos’ fault it is??? It can be anyone’s fault, it could be the whole packer’s team, but this is AWFUL football, and Rodgers is quite literally a bad QB all year, seemingly healthy

  • priceisrite

    He’s not putting up gaudy fantasy numbers but he has 30 passing touchdowns and 7 interceptions. . That is an elite QB with a terrible offensive line and shitty receivers.

  • Redskins4

    What about Kirk???

  • G1212

    This is the kind of post that instantly loses you credibility and makes you the laughing stock of an entire forum. Congrats Ryazan

  • poppaspicks

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    Come on dude…No Jordy Nelson not only makes Rodgers’ job more difficult, but Cobb and co have proven that they cant handle the full work load. Jordy was much more important than most people realized. I get that using hyperboles and such are what people do on forums but by definition, he’s much better than average.

    For the record, I do agree that he’s not what geniuses in the football media made him out to be.

  • ldavidjm

    A couple years ago Tom Brady was done, washed up, the Pats needed to move on. Peyton Manning could never win the big game. Brett Favre threw too many interceptions and never won a Super Bowl after his first. Blah blah, Rodgers is having a terrible season by his standards but his stats are still pretty good and the Packers have still won 10 games. 15 games seems like an eternity but football is an extremely random game with tons of variance just like any other sport. Its silly to say someone who has been as good as Rodgers has been is just not a good QB (unless you’re a talking head looking for attention)

  • Olhausen

    @G1212 said...

    This is the kind of post that instantly loses you credibility and makes you the laughing stock of an entire forum. Congrats Ryazan

    I actually agree with him. I rarely give Rodgers a look for my Dfs lineup’s anymore.

  • emac

    It is interesting to see how much Aaron Rodgers has struggled without Jordy Nelson. Most teams do ebb and flow, however, it has been crazy for Green Bay with the amount of breaks that have not been in their favor this season.

    The best question to ask one’s self is do you wish Rodgers was the quarterback for your team….I think at least 25 fanbases would trade their guy for Rodgers…I always enjoy the Any Given Sunday speech by our Ol’ Pal Al Pacino to put things in perspective…this will be more true than ever in a few short days with the Week 17 insanity.

    So back to the question, do I wish Rodgers was the QB for my team? Well, I am a lifelong Seahawks fan and I think I would be thrilled if Seattle had Wilson, Rodgers or Newton as their guy…a short list ignoring age and contract…so no, my personal belief is that Rodgers is by no means average by any measure.

    Just my thoughts…and this is a fun question for sure!

    EMac

    EDIT: outside of GPP pairings with Randall Cobb and/or Richard Rodgers, I have not been able to trust Aaron Rodgers as a DFS QB for most of the season, I do have fond memories of his six touchdown game hooking up for three with Jordy…alas, I have had to move on and thankfully he has not been my H2H QB since probably the first month of the season…wow, in a vacuum at the start of the season, I would have called that as being nuts!

  • priceisrite

    @emac said...

    EDIT: outside of GPP pairings with Randall Cobb

    You can’t trust Cobb at all. He has only 4 games with a TD catch and only 1 game with 100+ yards receiving… He’s a Dfs bum.

  • L3gOnD

    I read the forums quite a bit, don’t usually care to post but this is just absurd. Aaron Rodgers has the best arm in the NFL, is a toss up for most accurate with Brady, is top 5 at the line of scrimmage and is top three in creating plays when the pocket breaks down (Wilson and Ben).
    He is playing with a horrid offensive line and a slot receiver as his “go to guy”. James Jones was cut by 2 teams before the Packers decided Rodgers would make him look like an actual receiver again, Davante has no route running capability and Ty Montgomery has a long way to go. Also his TEs, well I’d be shocked if they can run better than a 4.5 on the 40. Aaron Rodgers for the past 5 years has been the best player in the league at his position, all else equal. This year Brady is the best in the league and Cam has had his break out season but Rodgers is still right there behind them.
    The man has the best PER, QBR and TD:INT ratios in league history.
    Don’t equate DFS to the player’s ability at all times. Blake Bortles is not elite, amazing for DFS.

  • walkoff9

    Cobb is the average one.

  • cheezpizza

    @L3gOnD said...

    I read the forums quite a bit, don’t usually care to post but this is just absurd. Aaron Rodgers has the best arm in the NFL, is a toss up for most accurate with Brady, is top 5 at the line of scrimmage and is top three in creating plays when the pocket breaks down (Wilson and Ben).
    He is playing with a horrid offensive line and a slot receiver as his “go to guy”. James Jones was cut by 2 teams before the Packers decided Rodgers would make him look like an actual receiver again, Davante has no route running capability and Ty Montgomery has a long way to go. Also his TEs, well I’d be shocked if they can run better than a 4.5 on the 40. Aaron Rodgers for the past 5 years has been the best player in the league at his position, all else equal. This year Brady is the best in the league and Cam has had his break out season but Rodgers is still right there behind them.
    The man has the best PER, QBR and TD:INT ratios in league history.
    Don’t equate DFS to the player’s ability at all times. Blake Bortles is not elite, amazing for DFS.

    Toss up with Brady for most accurate?
    Brees is the most accurate EVER.

  • L3gOnD

    @cheezpizza said...

    Toss up with Brady for most accurate?
    Brees is the most accurate EVER.

    Sure throw Brees in there for accuracy, so Rodgers is top three accuracy in arguable fashion. Regardless he is top five in all categories of significance that you look for in a QB and he also has the ability to run with the ball. No reasonable person could name 15 QBs they would take before him right now (which would put him as an average starter) as the OP stated and no reasonable, unbiased person would name 5 people they would rather build a franchise with tomorrow than him as their starting QB.
    In a “fantasy” scenario, he probably would be first off the board in a room of the 32 GMs/owners who get to draft their teams in a fantasy fashion if you will. He’d go before Brady due to age.

  • emoney1214

    To truly understand how bad his receivers are just look at the past. Jennings was a stud on the packers, signs a big contract with the Vikings and look how he has done. James Jones was a stud on the packers, signs a big contract, is cut by two terrible teams and is now at least somewhat productive back on the packers. The point being, Rodgers makes his receivers look better than they actually are. If Ryazan watches every game, he would also see the Packers haven’t had a decent tight end since Chmura, and for some reason he very rarely checks down to his running back.

    The main thing I do not understand is why so many of the wr routes are deep and take time to set up, while they have the slowest receivers in the league. It’s like deja vu every play. The line fails, none of the wr have gone through their routes, Rodgers scrambles and either gets sacked or throws it away. A check down RB or TE would do wonders. It seems like every other elite QB has these two things and is able to get rid of the ball quickly. I do agree though Rodgers is not a god or something.

    A side note, Richard Rodgers is awful. The Packers wanted a TE, and drafted him ridiculously early when all the good ones were off the board. The scouting report was he had bad hands, didn’t run routes well, bad blocker, and he is very slow. So I don’t know what he does well (catches a hail mary once in his career?).

  • ItzJamesFTW

    Wisconsin born Packers fan here.

    What a garbage take.

    Let’s take a gander:

    James Jones – Slow
    Davante Adams – Bust/hands of butter
    Richard Rodgers – Slow
    Randall Cobb – Doubled

    Janis/Abberderis – Too raw/untrusted.

    No separation. No offensive line. No deep threat.

    I guess in principle, I agree, Rodgers this year is not the quarterback of years past, but you have to be more educated to see past that. And to just call him bad after one rough year is so incredibly shortsighted. But then again I would expect nothing less after looking at the username.

  • JeffElJefe

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    @Ryazan said...

    So to end this, can we all agree that Rodgers is just not a good QB?

    Wow… first MaxDalury is a “fish”, now Aaron Rodgers is “just not a good QB”. Maybe think about taking less extreme stances? Or does everything have to be hyberbole?

    Just a few of this “average at best, nothing special” QB’s accomplishments (via Wikipedia):

    Highest career passer rating in regular season with a minimum of 1,500 passing attempts (105.1)
    Only quarterback to have a career passer rating of over 100.0 in the regular season
    Only quarterback to have a career passer rating of over 100.0 in both the regular and postseason
    Third highest passer rating in the post season (101.0)
    Most consecutive seasons with a passer rating of over 100.0, with 6 (2009–2014)
    One of only four QB’s to have a postseason passer rating of over 100.0
    Lowest career pass interception % (1.6%)
    Best touchdown to interception ratio in NFL history (4.05)
    Only player in NFL history to pass for over 4,000 yards in each of the first two seasons as a starting QB
    Most touchdown passes of 70 or more yards, with 16
    Tied NFL record for most consecutive games with at least 3 touchdown passes and no interceptions, with 4
    Most consecutive touchdown passes at home without an interception, (including playoffs) (49)
    Most consecutive touchdown passed at home without and interception in a season (20)
    Most consecutive passes without an interception at home, (including playoffs) (587)
    One of only six quarterbacks (Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning and Dan Marino) to pass for over 1,000 yards in a single postseason
    Threw the fewest interceptions (42) before throwing 150th career touchdown (Dan Marino threw 69 interceptions)
    Threw the fewest interceptions (53) before throwing 200th career touchdown (Tom Brady threw 88 interceptions)
    21,332 passing yards from 2008–12, the most by a QB in his first five seasons as a starter.
    Second highest (tied) career completion percentage (66.0%).
    Rodgers’ peers voted him the No. 1 player on the NFL’s The Top 100: Players of 2012
    Fewest attempts to get to 30,000 passing yards, with 3,652

  • Wrightime

    Did you watch the packers o line yesterday, before saying rodgers is avg.. He didnt even have time to set his feet yesterday .. The avg at best are lacy ., mr fumble starks .. The wr are awful. You must not be watching same game . And on top of it the defense gets gashed

  • Ryazan

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    maybe I do speak in extremes sometimes, but I should probably rephrase what I am saying:

    THIS YEAR, Rodgers is just not a good QB, and it’s ok if you want to blame slow bad WR’s, bad RBs or a bad offensive line, but the great QB’s make other players look better, and not vice versa.

    His whole offense doesn’t pass the eye test either, like I said it’s like a labor to watch them go from the redzone into the endzone, and most of the actual good stats he piles up this year, come in garbage time when his team is trailing. But the first half of most games, that whole offense just doesn’t click at all from start to finish, and the QB is the one most responsible for it no matter the weapons he has.

    Before this year, it sure seemed Rodgers was great, but surely Jordy doesn’t make so much difference?

    Everything I said will be null/void if I find out he’s been playing hurt all year, that would best explain his mediocre play.

  • einars

    Ryazan – trolling level pro at minimum

  • danliebl

    I will state up front, I am a Vikings fan, so take this for what you will.

    Heading into the year Rodgers was a top 3 QB on almost everyone’s rankings, fantasy or otherwise, of current QB’s. Packers lost Jordy early, big blow, but people said ARog would be able to adjust, he is that good. Cobb will take on more of a #1 WR role Adams #2 threat and no problems. WELL, it appears Cobb is best suited for the underneath guy and a #2 WR, not someone who can take on double coverage most of the day, and Adams, while being hurt early, has been terrible when healthy.

    Lacy looked like he was on the verge of being a top 5 RB, well, he got slower, whether it is his weight, or ankle injuries, or both, he has not been the guy. And while Starks has looked better than Lacy, he is not a great RB either. Serviceable at best, which is why he is a back up.

    And then you throw in some injuries on the offensive line, and the whole offense is a mess.

    This in turn creates a defense that is now playing from behind, rather than with a lead, which is tough for any defense, but makes the Packers def much more ordinary.

    Do all of these look like excuses for Rodgers? YEP. Is that acceptable? NOPE. This is not the first NFL team to suffer injuries, look at the Patriots this year, they have been hit hard by the injury bug, yet Brady, even at his age, continues to do well, and doesn’t blame others after games. To me Rodgers needs to look at himself more (yesterday not included since he had ZERO time to throw, that was just a but kicking up front)

    Too often I get the vibe that Rodgers thinks he is doing everything he can and the people around him need to play better. To me, that is his last hurdle to becoming top 5 QB all time for him. QB’s throughout history have gotten too much credit and too much blame for the way a game goes, BUT, that is the state of the NFL and why QB’s get the big contracts.

    To say Rogers is not good is just silly, but if he is one of the best of all times, he should be able to make everyone around him better (which is what was stated earlier), but I do not see that happening this year. Maybe it is just a down year, can happen to everyone. If he comes back the next two years and looks like this again, then sure, I will listen to him being an AVG QB, until then, stop the non sense.

  • JHols1nger

    He’s dating Olivia Munn, it’s a miracle he even makes it out of bed.

  • Capone1233

    Cobb also has had a bum shoulder all year which affects him getting off the line in bump coverage. What is hurting Rodgers the most is the Oline and lack of run game this year.

  • mmzapp

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    Cobb is the average one.

    That’s the thing- people often assign Cobb an attribute he doesn’t have: speed. Check his 40-time coming out of Kentucky (maybe because he is small people assume he must be fast?). So having said that, your #1 receiver is 5’9 and slow. Don’t have to talk about Adams. James Jones can’t separate. Richard Rodgers? And neither RB is an adept pass catcher. Aaron Rodgers may quietly have the worst weapons in the league.

  • Razzle11

    @mmzapp said...

    That’s the thing- people often assign Cobb an attribute he doesn’t have: speed. Check his 40-time coming out of Kentucky (maybe because he is small people assume he must be fast?). So having said that, your #1 receiver is 5’9 and slow. Don’t have to talk about Adams. James Jones can’t separate. Richard Rodgers? And neither RB is an adept pass catcher. Aaron Rodgers may quietly have the worst weapons in the league.

    I will start this off by saying that I live 30 minutes south of Green Bay and I absolutely hate the Packers (mostly because their fans are idiotic for the most part) With that said, Aaron Rodgers is far from just an average QB and if you really believe that he is then you certainly have a problem overall.

    I quoted this text because this is what is hilarious. Packer fans come into the season clamoring that their receiving core was one of, if not, the best groups in the NFL. It’s funny how this changes with the injury to just 1 guy. I actually am a big Jordy Nelson fan overall, however the loss of him does not take this group from one of the best to one of the worst, he isnt that BIG of a deal. With that being said, Cobb is NOT a #1 WR in the NFL and that has been exposed this year along with injury issues. Adams is not the second coming of Greg Jennings for the Packers as his hands are absolutely horrendous. James Jones is an above average #3 WR for the most part but there is a reason why he was cut by Oakland ($ reasons mostly) and then couldn’t make the Giants roster. He is an excellent red zone threat but does not have speed to break away. Play calling has been a huge issue along with some of Rodgers’ accuracy having been hurt by the terrible O-Line play this season.

    When you have WR’s that aren’t able to create separation you have to look to back shoulder throws, curls etc. Seems like timing is a huge issue and maybe that has been hurt by all the injury issues as the team has missed practice time from Adams, Cobb, Abbredaris and Montgomery and add in the fact that Jones came in late to the party. I used to think Rodgers was the most confident QB in the NFL, but now I feel like he has lost some of that swagger and confidence and it shows in his body language on the field.

    As far as RB’s catching the ball, Starks has shown to be a dangerous weapon catching the ball out of the backfield, however he has trouble holding onto the ball, in fact both backs have that issue. As far as TE’s go, they may not have the down field threat, but Richard Rodgers is an excellent red zone option for the offense.

    BTW Cobb ran a 4.46 40 at the NFL combine, not exactly slow oh and Jordy’s 40 out of college was 4.51 if you must know

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