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  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    So, ganondorf (a player who I remember as being a pretty big deal) is in my 2350 man $0.25 tournament with a $50 top prize and a prize pool of $500. He entered 200 lineups into this tournament (which would cost him $50). Aside from just trying to be a jerk, what is the point of doing something like this? Am I wrong in my thinking here, or is this just another sign of sites letting big BR players do whatever they want?

    BTW, this is the same guy with 500 entries in the Millionaire Maker.

  • tone17

    I think this is his job. So he, like most pros, enters everything.

  • MikeSos760

    He’s trying to scare new low stakes players away from the game… That might not be the case, but in my honest opinion, it is pretty pretty damn greedy of him to enter a small stakes contest like that.

  • deactivated70850

    He’s ruining the industry, but so aren’t a ton of other players. There is nothing people can do, regardless of how pathetic it is.

  • rsd79

    hahaha this is real. That is asshole type stuff but too funny

  • JHols1nger

    You watched/posted in the Assani blog thread where he provided his in depth reasons/perspective for entering low stakes games. I don’t necessarily agree with that stance but I assume the reasoning is similar among other top players.

  • MikeSos760

    @JHols1nger said...

    You watched/posted in the Assani blog thread where he provided his in depth reasons/perspective for entering low stakes games. I don’t necessarily agree with that stance but I assume the reasoning is similar among other top players.

    Under these circumstances it is advantageous to the person entering, but I don’t see how it is advantageous to the ecosystem of DFS in the long run, and shouldn’t a person care about the ecosystem if they make a living from this?

    I can understand 10 to 20 entries in such a tournament, but 200 in a 25 cent tournament?

    By the way, I don’t mind multi-entry in large gpps, but the 200 in a 25 cent seems extreme.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    The reasoning may be similar, and as I said to Assani, I still don’t agree with it. At least Assani was doing H2H where the playing field can still be viewed in theory as being level. Owning 10% of a GPP field and spending enough to equal the amount of the top prize in a quarter league pretty much destroys any thought of the playing field being level.

  • rainbowtroutman

    I like when the pros play the low-stakes games—-I will give them my 5 bucks and I study their lineups. I played a pro on draftstreet 6 straight days for the NBA 2 years ago, gave him about $20 bucks,beat him the last night I played him, and then moved on and did O.K. —-a nice $20 lesson in how to make a lineup.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    I like when the pros play the low-stakes games—-I will give them my 5 bucks and I study their lineups. I played a pro on draftstreet 6 straight days for the NBA 2 years ago, gave him about $20 bucks,beat him the last night I played him, and then moved on and did O.K. —-a nice $20 lesson in how to make a lineup.

    While I understand what you are saying. I did not enter my 12 entries into a game that occurs only once a week to study 200 lineups.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @tgowen said...

    While I understand what you are saying. I did not enter my 12 entries into a game that occurs only once a week to study 200 lineups.

    I understand—I usually only play cash games and just play low stakes—Its just fun for me

  • JHols1nger

    @MikeSos760 said...

    Under these circumstances it is advantageous to the person entering, but I don’t see how it is advantageous to the ecosystem of DFS in the long run, and shouldn’t a person care about the ecosystem if they make a living from this?

    I can understand 10 to 20 entries in such a tournament, but 200 in a 25 cent tournament?

    By the way, I don’t mind multi-entry in large gpps, but that is ridiculous.

    Like I said I’m not trying to justify it, he asked “what is the point of doing something like this?” and I was just trying to provide an answer.

  • MikeSos760

    @JHols1nger said...

    Like I said I’m not trying to justify it, he asked “what is the point of doing something like this?” and I was just trying to provide an answer.

    I know. I’m just trying to continue the discussion : D. Didn’t mean for it to come off as defensive or as wanting to start an argument.

  • deactivated70850

    Also, I’m sure millions of people are being turned off by their marketing tactics too.

  • JHols1nger

    @tgowen said...

    The reasoning may be similar, and as I said to Assani, I still don’t agree with it. At least Assani was doing H2H where the playing field can still be viewed in theory as being level. Owning 10% of a GPP field and spending enough to equal the amount of the top prize in a quarter league pretty much destroys any thought of the playing field being level.

    A lot of us don’t agree with it, but if the sites refuse to police these sort of things there’s nothing that can really be done. You asked what the reason for doing something like this would be, and I think you know the answer.

  • JHols1nger

    @MikeSos760 said...

    I know. I’m just trying to continue the discussion : D. Didn’t mean for it to come off as defensive or as wanting to start an argument.

    I agree with you in that the high volume players should try to keep what’s best for DFS as a whole in mind to preserve it for as long as possible. However I also understand that it’s a pipe dream to expect players to police themselves, a lot of them have the mindset of capitalizing on their edge as much as possible in the limited window that they have. Every other day I’m seeing some new guy selling lineups on Twitter, which is horrible for DFS, but the people selling have a similar mindset and are allowed to do so within the rules.

    It’s up to the sites to change these things, as the players are just operating within the parameters they have been given.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @JHols1nger said...

    A lot of us don’t agree with it, but if the sites refuse to police these sort of things there’s nothing that can really be done. You asked what the reason for doing something like this would be, and I think you know the answer.

    Oh, I know. I’ve been playing long enough to realize 2 things. First, sites don’t care about commoners. Second, sharks don’t care about anything but themselves. Not saying either is wrong, just saying I disagree about both of them.

  • SmartWater

    Marketing and Social Media Manager

    They were hoping to fix this issue with an entry limit. This would then force high volume players to have to pick and choose games and not just enter everything. Until that happens, I do not know how or if this will be addressed.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @SmartWater said...

    They were hoping to fix this issue with an entry limit. This would then force high volume players to have to pick and choose games and not just enter everything. Until that happens, I do not know how or if this will be addressed.

    When did they mention this?

  • MikeSos760

    @JHols1nger said...

    I agree with you in that the high volume players should try to keep what’s best for DFS as a whole in mind to preserve it for as long as possible. However I also understand that it’s a pipe dream to expect players to police themselves, a lot of them have the mindset of capitalizing on their edge as much as possible in the limited window that they have. Every other day I’m seeing some new guy selling lineups on Twitter, which is horrible for DFS, but the people selling have a similar mindset and are allowed to do so within the rules.

    It’s up to the sites to change these things, as the players are just operating within the parameters they have been given.

    That’s very true. They want to take advantage of the current situation as much as possible. I can understand that motive, and you’re right it is a pipe dream to think that it will suddenly stop.

    Hopefully they will do something eventually, whatever it may be. Maybe stricter multi-entry limits on smaller $1 and $0.25 tournaments? I think FD only allows like ten or twenty lineups in there 1149 person low stakes tourneys, but I may be wrong there.

    I do think the selling of lineups is bad for DFS too. I don’t know how they could prevent that one though.

  • Meatacus

    Thankfully FD has a 1000 daily entry limit (NFL), thus a pro wouldn’t waste 20% of their limit on a 25 cent game.

  • tonytone1908

    What I don’t understand is isn’t that bad for ROI? I mean, you’d have to take 1st with one of them just to get your money back. Obviously he is going to do better than that but does it make sense to take up 1/10th of the field? Especially in one so small?

  • mogizzle

    @Meatacus said...

    Thankfully FD has a 1000 daily entry limit (NFL), thus a pro wouldn’t waste 20% of their limit on a 25 cent game.

    AFAIK they recently raised that to 5000 per slate. so it’s not really any better on FD

  • bigticket

    thats just pathetic most of these people in the .25 game are trying to build a small bankroll and some rich guy comes in with 200 entries to try and dominate all the top cashing spots when first only pays $50

  • boisethunder55

    I won 80 bucks one night in mlb and then tried to do this the next night and lost most of it. While I am not that great of a player. If you don’t have a few teams in the top ten you end up not making your money back.

  • blackcloud420

    @bigticket said...

    thats just pathetic most of these people in the .25 game are trying to build a small bankroll and some rich Ahole comes in with 200 entries to try and dominate all the top cashing spots when first only pays $50

    When they win something big its always “this couldn’t have happened to a better person”.

    Oh really.

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