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  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    So, ganondorf (a player who I remember as being a pretty big deal) is in my 2350 man $0.25 tournament with a $50 top prize and a prize pool of $500. He entered 200 lineups into this tournament (which would cost him $50). Aside from just trying to be a jerk, what is the point of doing something like this? Am I wrong in my thinking here, or is this just another sign of sites letting big BR players do whatever they want?

    BTW, this is the same guy with 500 entries in the Millionaire Maker.

  • jimmyrad

    200 out of 2350 in a quarter game, really? Have you no shame man? Another ambassador of the industry dumpster diving for that free taco on the way to the next big baller live final, pathetic.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    The thing that really irritates me has little to do with a single player making it more difficult for everyone else to profit, but rather how sad it is that someone who spends literally tens of thousand of dollars a day finds it necessary to try and bully their way in the lowest of low stakes games.

    It’s embarrassing that DK has games with multi-entry to a level that allows it, and it’s embarrassing that someone actually takes advantage of something like that. I don’t play the $0.25 games to get rich, or even really care to grow my BR. For me they are simply a cheap way to have a fun hobby.

    I don’t expect anything to change (regardless of what sites say), and I certainly don’t expect players to realize when they are in the wrong and start acting with any sort of self control.

  • einars

    @tgowen said...

    The thing that really irritates me has little to do with a single player making it more difficult for everyone else to profit, but rather how sad it is that someone who spends literally tens of thousand of dollars a day finds it necessary to try and bully their way in the lowest of low stakes games.

    if it makes you feel any better i am sure he just has a script that enters any contest with more than X players and enters any contest max times up X number (doubt he would auto max enter 1000 entries but probably auto maxes any tourny with over 1500 ppl with a max of 200 or less type thing). could be wrong, but i doubt he is clicking enter 200 times into a 25 cent tourny.

    honestly this is why DK should clone FDs 5000 max. no way he spends 200 entries on 25 cent entries even with a 5k limit

  • salarycapfantasy

    Why did he enter … to win money. Seems simple enough.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @salarycapfantasy said...

    Why did he enter … to win money. Seems simple enough.

    And to this I will say, if that is what it looks like to win money, spare me the “game of skill” talk.

  • jimmyquinella

    • Blogger of the Month

    @tgowen said...

    And to this I will say, if that is what it looks like to win money, spare me the “game of skill” talk.

    Deposit $50 and do it then.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @jimmyquinella said...

    Deposit $50 and do it then.

    The amount of money you have relative to your competition shouldn’t be a defining factor in what “skill” is. However, it clearly is in DFS. I’m not saying ganondorf or any of the other high BR players are not skilled, I’m just saying that they are using their BR to push around other players when they use it to the level he did.

    Note: I’m also not saying BR is the only factor in what “skill” is, just that in DFS it plays a huge roll.

  • hokie2009

    So forgive me if I missed it, but how did ganondorf end up doing in the $0.25 game?

    I know how he fared in this one contest doesn’t affect the greater debate at hand – BUT – seems like you all would want to know? Did he end up robbing the low-stakes players of all their glory after all?

  • srolleDFS

    i think its fine that he enters these contests.

    its a public game. it should be open to all comers. the good, the bad, the happy, and even the bitter that post complaints in forums when they dont win. everyone.

    there’s room for all types of players, and the sites cater to everyone. want to play low stakes without high volume players? play a single entry gpp, or better yet a small stakes single entry 100 or 250 entry league on fanduel. i doubt ganondorf is entering the $1 league on the mainslate thats filling tuesday morning. maybe he’s that dedicated, but i doubt it.

    you want a monster prize pool? those are built by people entering lots of lineups. so plan on playing against everyone.

    the sites have tons of options for everyone, if you look. the whole idea that the way to make dfs “better” by making more and more restrictive rules is counterproductive. dfs will keep getting better the way it has already gotten better, by making more and more options so that all types of players can find the game they want, on the same slate.

    you have the freedom to enter whatever type of contest you want. use that freedom to find the type of situation you want. dfs should be fun. if its not fun, you’re doing it wrong. if you are playing so much money (for yourself) that the risk really stresses you out, play smaller. you will be shocked at how much more fun it is when you dont feel all that stress about losing.

  • louiescards

    DK KoTH winner

    Not a fan of a guy having $10K worth of entries in the milly and mass entering the quarter arcade, but he is absolutely playing within the rules.

  • BUHNANAland

    @blackcloud420 said...

    When they win something big its always “this couldn’t have happened to a better person”.

    Oh really.

    This is hilariously on point.

    Every time ganondorf wins and is interviewed the interviewer leads with this. You want to say that he’s one of the original guys? No problem. But to say he’s one of the good guys is beyond ridiculous at this point. By observing user interactions with him on the forum and on twitter, he certainly doesn’t come off this way. You want to talk about one of the good guys, let’s talk about Dink or Dean.

    Also there’s the whole speculation around the Ganondorf/TheClone/Bcalicore DFS team/cartel that they are hush hush about.

    The quarter arcade…really?

  • rainbowtroutman

    @louiescards said...

    Not a fan of a guy having $10K worth of entries in the milly and mass entering the quarter arcade, but he is absolutely playing within the rules.

    The reason I don’t agree with it is because it can and I think it will eventually drive away the new and casual players like myself. When I first started playing 2 years ago,I put 10 $1 h2h’s in the lobby at FD. Needless to say,they were scooped up and I got crushed. I played for a few months,lost some cash and quit. I missed it because I love sports,have followed sports my whole life,and crushed it and actually made a lot of money in season long leagues. I found out this was a whole nother ballgame and stopped playing because even though I do it for fun,to NEVER win is no fun. Now I came back to DFS and only play low-stakes h2h against people like me who are newish and 50-50s. Anyhow, my point is that if I see 10 or 15 “sharks” in my 50-50’s, I will be forced to stop playing again. OF COURSE the sharks have the right to play in any contest they want to. When I first read and watched Assanti’s explaination of why he plays $1 stakes,my first thought was if he needs my $1 or $2 that bad I would send it to him and he can stay out of the low-stake games. I still feel that way,but I just do this for fun and the sharks won’t ruin it for me,but time will tell if every casual fan will stick around—Sorry for the long rant

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  • periewe

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    The reason I don’t agree with it is because it can and I think it will eventually drive away the new and casual players like myself. When I first started playing 2 years ago,I put 10 $1 h2h’s in the lobby at FD. Needless to say,they were scooped up and I got crushed. I played for a few months,lost some cash and quit. I missed it because I love sports,have followed sports my whole life,and crushed it and actually made a lot of money in season long leagues. I found out this was a whole nother ballgame and stopped playing because even though I do it for fun,to NEVER win is no fun. Now I came back to DFS and only play low-stakes h2h against people like me who are newish and 50-50s. Anyhow, my point is that if I see 10 or 15 “sharks” in my 50-50’s, I will be forced to stop playing again. OF COURSE the sharks have the right to play in any contest they want to. When I first read and watched Assanti’s explaination of why he plays $1 stakes,my first thought was if he needs my $1 or $2 that bad I would send it to him and he can stay out of the low-stake games. I still feel that way,but I just do this for fun and the sharks won’t ruin it for me,but time will tell if every casual fan will stick around—Sorry for the long rant

    I just try to stay away from the $1 games the sharks play….I focus on single entry tourneys, single entry 50/50s, the 3-player games, and smaller single entry tourneys. Use less bankroll and play the really cheap single entry GPP if struggling to win the single entry 50/50s.

    I also have cancelled an entry if I see them in the 3-player game or smaller entry.

  • SouthernShield

    If I had the money and the skill, I’d enter 200 times in the $0.25 every day.

    I don’t and I don’t, so I don’t.

  • jmo26

    @shocae said...

    While it’s easy to point fingers at players, and some blame can be applied to them as well, it is mostly the site’s fault for their rules which allow this kind of thing.

    I think this is what a lot of the comments are getting at – while I appreciate that some do, you can’t really expect the players to govern themselves. It’s up to the sites to implement some sort of limitation (and a reasonable one, I personally don’t think 5000 is very reasonable), but I unfortunately don’t really see it happening with one of the big two.

  • rsigler65

    Here’s what I think most people don’t realize about multi entry. On most nights the majority of your lineups will not cash. Every once in awhile if you have a strategy of not too much variance, and you pick the right core players you will have a good night with several of your teams cashing and a few in the top 10. This has been said before, but multi-entry players are contributing to the prize pool with all of their losing teams. Sometimes when I read these forums it seems like people believe that all of the lineups are cashing and they’re taking money away from the rest of the field. Just my 2 cents. I don’t think entering hundreds of lineups is a bad thing. It’s really just the equivalent of a couple hundred players in the field.

  • Sjolly83

    He doesn’t realize he is cannibalizing his revenue source. Rule for pool shark is let them win a few so they think they have a chance, in dfs it doesn’t work that way and people are realizing that and I wouldn’t be surprised if they walk away

  • Heterodox

    @louiescards said...

    Not a fan of a guy having $10K worth of entries in the milly and mass entering the quarter arcade, but he is absolutely playing within the rules

    Isn’t that the problem?

  • LGBuffalo

    I definitely agree that there’s a problem with a person with that kind of bankroll entering that many low-stakes contests in a day. Indeed, he’s within the rules, so you can’t say that any rule has been broken, but it’s more or less a moral code. The industry really won’t be sustainable if all of the casual players are pushed away by this strategy. So many of the players playing the low-stakes games are either new or people just looking to have a little fun in the DFS world. Those players are getting hammered in these games and have little to no reason to come back. I’ve only been playing for a short while, but I’ve found that if I enter the single-entry contests, it feels more authentic as a game of skill.

  • Heterodox

    @Sjolly83 said...

    He doesn’t realize he is cannibalizing his revenue source

    People make this point all the time, and the comeback is always “they only care about themselves and why shouldn’t they it’s their job blah blah blah”

    My take is this: they know this situation won’t last, and they are trying to grab as much of the cash as they can while it’s available.

    The only way to read players like Ganondorf using practices that hurt the industry in the long run is that they either don’t think there will be a long run or that the future just won’t offer the kinds of rewards that the present does.

  • Heterodox

    @jimmyrad said...

    200 out of 2350 in a quarter game, really? Have you no shame man? Another ambassador of the industry dumpster diving for that free taco on the way to the next big baller live final, pathetic.

    So many apologists and these arguments about his EV and “it’s his job” and you just cut right through all that bullshit to sum up the situation with perfect pithiness. Beautiful.

  • SouthernShield

    DFS is a competitive thing. If you’re not trying to maximize your profit while playing within the rules, then you just shouldn’t be trying to compete.

    It would be like a batter saying that they only want to take a walk on 6 balls not four and to be struck out on 2 strikes not 3.

    You can’t ask a competitor to limit their potential profit while still playing within the rules.

    I would like to point out that I consider myself a micro-stakes player. Total invested is $136.61. After tonight Bankroll should be + $1,000

    Lastly, I’m not too concerned with winning a milly maker. I don’t even enter them. I’m perfectly happy growing my bankroll being profitable more nights than not.

  • noddy

    How did he do?

  • mellofellowsu

    I don’t mind it.

    You don’t get better at anything by playing a bunch of newbies.

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