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  • Gopackgo30

    If anyone has any advice on how to “snap out” of the typical bad mood that ensues when you have a bad slate, that would be excellent. I’m a decently profitable small-time player ($50-$100/slate on NBA or NFL, probably no more than $20/slate on other sports such as nascar, PGA, etc), but like everyone, I have my good days and bad days. I don’t want to be a total killjoy for my wife and kids if I have a bad slate…but notice I can tend to have less patience when I lose. When I win, there are no issues there.

    Anything that’s consistently worked for you guys? I guess I’m mainly asking about weekend-based sports (NFL, NASCAR). NBA is pretty easy to recover from because the slate ends so late at night.

    Thanks!

  • samitarian

    To be honest, if you are having that kind of reactions, it’s probably best that you stay away from DFS, and gambling in general.
    I know you asked how to overcome it, but it’s not something that you can overcome overnight.

    If you have trouble sleeping when your stock goes down 20% it’s prob best that you just put that money into savings. Same goes here, just stay away.

  • darkknight007

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    Take a break and take your mind off of the daily grind of entries

  • emac

    Don’t look at the games until after dinner/family time or even better when everyone is in bed.

    Taking a few days off is also fine. The lows of losing are much more extreme than the highs of winning ever seem to be… and more frequent as well.

    EMac

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I wish I had some great advice, because it really does suck…but generally I’m able to put a losing night behind once I start researching the next day.
    For me I’ve compartmentalized DFS different than other gambling because I feel more in control of the outcome than say slots or a table game, and unlike a traditional sports bet or hand of blackjack, one good night of DFS can offset nights of losing. One great night of DFS can offset weeks, if not months of losing. That’s not the case with a traditional sports bet (assuming you aren’t betting crazy long shots and hoping to get lucky)…so once I’m on to the next slate I think of that. Learning from my mistakes and being better today cold make up for yesterday.
    If its a real long losing streak or you rarely win (so that mindset doesn’t work) I’d suggest a few days off. Reset and come back to it with a fresh mind and/or resetting expectations (play less and strictly for fun…taking any win as a bonus)

    Ironically the toughest nights for me have been nights I’ve profited but they are also are the nights that a late switch or wrong choice on a 50/50 decision kept me from like a Top 10 finish, or in one case finally winning a GPP….those I have no idea how to get over lol other than it happening enough that there are too many to remember.

  • MHDU2424

    It’s just a grind where one big hit can offset even a year’s worth of negative play if you’re playing in big field GPP’s….Just gotta keep reminding yourself that

    Either that, or play for less money if it’s affecting you that much

  • NSNunn

    Just don’t sweat the rusults until after everyone has gone to bed. Or in the case of NFL Sundays, you know who your core is and should have a decent feel for how you are doing without opening the app. That’s what I do. Just root for your players, and dont look unless there is a swap that needs to be made going into a late game.

  • bigperm0107

    Last weekend I had a pretty bad nascar beat down. I realized about half way through it was going to be rough because my cash lineup crashed out at the beginning. I decided to just say fuck dfs for the night. I turned the tv off didn’t look at my phone and took the family out for dinner. I just tried to focus on the positive which was I got to spend some good time with my family. I would call that money well spent in a way. lol

  • Shipmymoney

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    Agree with the advice in here. I usually am able to get over it as soon as I start research for the next slate, so I usually just start research early if I’m in a shitty mood over a slate. If that isn’t an option because of family, definitely try just not sweating your games as they go. Give it a glance late in the slate to see how you look. For me, it’s not so much losing money that gets to me as much as it is noticing every high and low that occurs for hours at a time. Also, it’s pretty fun to not pay attention for a few hours and then open your phone to thousands of dollars.

  • Gopackgo30

    Lots of good advice, thanks guys. I think for me, its a combination of a lot of things. Knowing when to take a couple days off is always key, and that certainly helps me. Being honest with my wife about times when I do falter and let it get to me too much also helps identifying it to me.

    This past week just consisted of a lot of frustrating variance (crashes, the PPD wnba game), so I just was worn out by the time Nascar finished out on Sunday and am going lighter this week as a result.

    Not constantly checking my phone during family time has become bigger, and will continue to be important. And, having a better understanding of how my overall play is going also helps a ton. I plugged my results into the DFS analyzer yesterday and realized I haven’t been doing as awful as I felt on Sunday. So, having a good grip on where I truly stand in terms of ROI% helps me to have a more realistic view of things, rather than going totally negative based on how one slate goes. Any addional input is welcome though, or if you want to share your experience.

  • Makisupa

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    If you’re playing for $50-100 and you’re letting it impact your daily life, you should quit. Being present and happy around your family is infinitely more important than playing low stakes DFS. You’re going to lose roughly half the time you play. It’s simply not worth it.

  • jimfred82

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    @emac said...

    Don’t look at the games until after dinner/family time or even better when everyone is in bed.

    Taking a few days off is also fine. The lows of losing are much more extreme than the highs of winning ever seem to be… and more frequent as well.

    EMac

    This is really sound advice. Honestly, in my experience (because I get a little grumpy when I lose, too), I’ve found that, the less my family knows about my DFS, the better. Now, to be clear, I’m not actively hiding it from them; my wife knows I play daily NBA, so it’s not a secret. But I try to get my research in and score checking in at times where it does not impact time spent with my wife and kids. It seems to be better for everyone that way.

  • Gopackgo30

    @Makisupa said...

    If you’re playing for $50-100 and you’re letting it impact your daily life, you should quit. Being present and happy around your family is infinitely more important than playing low stakes DFS. You’re going to lose roughly half the time you play. It’s simply not worth it.

    I probably made it sound a lot worse than it really was.

    Overall, DFS is a hobby I greatly enjoy, and a way to make some side income and make the sports watching experience more enjoyable.

    Also, as a whole, my wife is extremely supportive of it. I think there is an element of it that she really likes, as she likes asking me who my players are, and cheering for them. My overall time investment as it relates to my family is fairly minimal, as its easy to do research at work or later at night. Trust me when I say, my family is far more important than this…and I get how important priorities are.

    I think anyone can relate to the experience of a tough loss and having to get over that. Whether its sweating a top 10 finish and you were in 1st and and you finish 10th with a huge difference in winnings, or just a tough slate where you perform poorly overall. I guess I was just asking what others have done to that end.

  • Gopackgo30

    @jimfred82 said...

    This is really sound advice. Honestly, in my experience (because I get a little grumpy when I lose, too), I’ve found that, the less my family knows about my DFS, the better. Now, to be clear, I’m not actively hiding it from them; my wife knows I play daily NBA, so it’s not a secret. But I try to get my research in and score checking in at times where it does not impact time spent with my wife and kids. It seems to be better for everyone that way.

    ^^^ Good stuff, and similar to what I do as well.

  • joerapjr

    I think it’s important to remember that, at the end of the day, family and health are the most important things in life. If you have those two things, think of everything else — DFS included — as secondary. I know this is kind of a cheesy way to look at it, but it’s also easy to lose sight of.

  • moped_jones

    @Gopackgo30 said...

    If anyone has any advice on how to “snap out” of the typical bad mood that ensues when you have a bad slate, that would be excellent. I’m a decently profitable small-time player ($50-$100/slate on NBA or NFL, probably no more than $20/slate on other sports such as nascar, PGA, etc), but like everyone, I have my good days and bad days. I don’t want to be a total killjoy for my wife and kids if I have a bad slate…but notice I can tend to have less patience when I lose. When I win, there are no issues there.

    Anything that’s consistently worked for you guys? I guess I’m mainly asking about weekend-based sports (NFL, NASCAR). NBA is pretty easy to recover from because the slate ends so late at night.

    Thanks!

    I would say start playing some lower stakes games until you get your groove back (for those weekend based games). Instead of $20 spend $5. Or stick to sports that you know you can do well at most of the time.

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    This is a little bit of a different scenario but it all has to do with gambling in general. I have had many of these days but all different scenarios. I am primarily a horse player and I am a pretty decent one at that. When I have a horse that I make a decent sized win/place bet and he either gets beat by a head or just runs up the track I am able to move on because most likely I have other bets I need to make during the course of the day. You need to train yourself and your brain when to know you are on your game and when your not.

    I know via years of experience when I have had a shit handicapping day and I am able to just say after 2 or 3 races today is not my day and I start planning for my next handicapping challenge. DFS is the same thing. You have your days when your on point and days when you just handicap terrible. If you are not in the right frame of mind and it is effecting you in that way you need to take a break and clear your head.

    A couple of weeks ago I spent three days handicapping for a huge pick 6 carry over going into the last leg of the pick 6 I had 5 of 5 I had 4 horses in a 12 horse field going into the last leg and NOT ONE OF THEM ran a lick…I was absolutely pissed. I went from pacing the floors, chain smoking and sweating for 20 mins prior to the last race in complete excitement figuring out what I was going to spend my money on and how I was going to celebrate to being absolutely pissed off and disgusted. Sure I got a decent consolation for 5 out of 6 but no where near what the winning 6 of 6 ticket paid which would have been a life changing score.

    Because I only play pick 6 when the carryovers are huge when I play these type of exotic plays they are few and far between. So I rehash, replay and try and figure out in my head what I did wrong. It can be exhausting. Usually what I do is stay away for a few days, I hit the gym or I push myself into my work to take my mind off of it. The week I had the 5 out of 6 my next day off from work I took a day trip with my girlfriend where no electronics were allowed. We just drove, ate, relaxed and I stayed away from anything internet, sports or gambling related. I needed it to clear my head and become fresh again.

    If the game is effecting your home life you need to rethink how much you are investing and if you can actually afford to lose what you are losing. If your bankroll isnt the issue and you are just upset about the way you are handicapping then you need to look over how you handicap and your handicapping tools and make adjustments. I have been playing the horses since my early 20’s I am now 46 and not a week goes by where I am always tweaking how I handicap trying to find ways to become a better player and find out why there are days or weeks where I cannot cash a ticket and then there are other days and weeks I can do no wrong.

    Good luck.

  • EadesScience

    @Gopackgo30 said...

    If anyone has any advice on how to “snap out” of the typical bad mood that ensues when you have a bad slate, that would be excellent. I’m a decently profitable small-time player ($50-$100/slate on NBA or NFL, probably no more than $20/slate on other sports such as nascar, PGA, etc), but like everyone, I have my good days and bad days. I don’t want to be a total killjoy for my wife and kids if I have a bad slate…but notice I can tend to have less patience when I lose. When I win, there are no issues there.

    Anything that’s consistently worked for you guys? I guess I’m mainly asking about weekend-based sports (NFL, NASCAR). NBA is pretty easy to recover from because the slate ends so late at night.

    Thanks!

    Hi Gopackgo30…..I know exactly what you are going through on a personal level. What I figured out for myself was that I was putting money out there that I was not comfortable losing. So, I switched to the .25 cent GPPs and started max entering those slates for a total of 5 bucks. I found myself comfortable at this level of play and still found some success sticking to my formula of playing while taking chances that I normally would not take. Every night I am perfectly fine without any winnings because it is fine with me to dish out 5 bucks for entertainment. I will never win any life changing money with this style of play, but I do win enough to occasionally play the 4-6 dollar entries every once in a while and usually find myself starting over to build back my bankroll.

    The game of DFS is not the same on any given night it seems to me. Stats are basically useless because of the variance. Take your chances with the lower entry fee GPPs with the long shots and have some fun experimenting. In my opinion the success of winning GPPs is always to max enter from what I have learned and I am only willing to do that at a low entry fee. And now on DK I can pop out 20 lineups for only 2 bucks with a chance of winning $100. Come join the fun and relaxation with me Governor! By the way, a can of snuff cost me $4.85 a day and I only have a chance of winning mouth cancer!

    Ricky

  • walkoff9

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    If you live and die with every slate odds are you are playing beyond your means.

  • Njsum1

    @walkoff9 said...

    If you live and die with every slate odds are you are playing beyond your means.

    This is not true. There is an emotional investment in DFS that for a lot of people goes far beyond the monetary one. It’s almost a personal challenge/pride thing and the stakes are of little consequence ( for me at least). A lot of people gave you good advice, take heed of what you will. When I lose I take solace in what I did well for the slate, the good choices I made, and tend not to dwell on the bad ones. I decided to respond to your post, as tonight is the perfect example for me. I’m heavy on every pitcher that has gotten rocked…Sale..O Grady, or left after 1 with an injury…Scherzer. I have some ok pitchers going yet my teams are basically sunk for the evening. Yet I’m heavy on the Tampa and Seattle stacks, and have a good amount of Billy Hamilton and Didi Gregorious. I’ll be lucky to min cash a lineup or two, yet I take comfort in the fact that I got my hitting right for the most part tonight. See the glass as half full and of course never play beyond what your comfortable losing. Good luck

  • JustDFSin

    It’s hard but you have to keep your emotions the same whether you win or lose. When you win they always want a cut of the winning. When you lose they complain about the money you could have given them. If you can hide it all together.

  • Lathum

    You can come over and yell at my kids those nights if you like.

  • Jumpman_

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I wish I had some great advice, because it really does suck…but generally I’m able to put a losing night behind once I start researching the next day.
    For me I’ve compartmentalized DFS different than other gambling because I feel more in control of the outcome than say slots or a table game, and unlike a traditional sports bet or hand of blackjack, one good night of DFS can offset nights of losing. One great night of DFS can offset weeks, if not months of losing. That’s not the case with a traditional sports bet (assuming you aren’t betting crazy long shots and hoping to get lucky)…so once I’m on to the next slate I think of that. Learning from my mistakes and being better today cold make up for yesterday.
    If its a real long losing streak or you rarely win (so that mindset doesn’t work) I’d suggest a few days off. Reset and come back to it with a fresh mind and/or resetting expectations (play less and strictly for fun…taking any win as a bonus)

    Ironically the toughest nights for me have been nights I’ve profited but they are also are the nights that a late switch or wrong choice on a 50/50 decision kept me from like a Top 10 finish, or in one case finally winning a GPP….those I have no idea how to get over lol other than it happening enough that there are too many to remember.

    Yep.

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