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  • Baal

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/DraftKings-Fanduel-Fantasy-Football-Sports-Daily-Site-Eric-Schneiderman-Attorney-General-351063191.html

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/spin-cycle/schneiderman-seeks-injunction-to-immediately-shut-down-fanduel-draftkings-1.11134115

  • Steroid

    Does anyone know when that Policy & Procedures document was dated? Was it 2012-2013? Things were MUCH different then. Besides, I bet they hired a law firm to draft that up. Maybe they should be on the hook for allowing certain actions.

    Why are you all so concerned about the past? Obviously DFS, FD, and DK are completely different now then they were 3 years ago. Remember, their job is to protect their company and shareholders, which includes giving employees perks. They owe nothing to the DFS Players really, other than to say what they do. You get to vote with your wallet. If you don’t like it, play somewhere else. And no, Policy & Procedures are not public information.

    Again, why don’t you focus on today and going forward? How have their P&Ps changed? Have they updated the entire manual? Read that one. Otherwise, you sound like sour grapes and pointing to that as the reason why you lost during those years. Build better lineups. You will win.

  • Unico10

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    @Steroid said...

    Does anyone know when that Policy & Procedures document was dated? Was it 2012-2013? Things were MUCH different then. Besides, I bet they hired a law firm to draft that up. Maybe they should be on the hook for allowing certain actions.

    That’s a great point.

    It could be a old document that was recently softened… sure looks like petrgibbons missed the part of not becoming a top 5% player!! LOL!!

  • Frickman81

    @Steroid said...

    Does anyone know when that Policy & Procedures document was dated? Was it 2012-2013? Things were MUCH different then. Besides, I bet they hired a law firm to draft that up. Maybe they should be on the hook for allowing certain actions.

    Why are you all so concerned about the past? Obviously DFS, FD, and DK are completely different now then they were 3 years ago. Remember, their job is to protect their company and shareholders, which includes giving employees perks. They owe nothing to the DFS Players really, other than to say what they do. You get to vote with your wallet. If you don’t like it, play somewhere else. And no, Policy & Procedures are not public information.

    Again, why don’t you focus on today and going forward? How have their P&Ps changed? Have they updated the entire manual? Read that one. Otherwise, you sound like sour grapes and pointing to that as the reason why you lost during those years. Build better lineups. You will win.

    They change p&ps on my the fly, or once the public catches them. They down played things that were blatantly happening and until caught red handed then they say it’s ok

  • Steroid

    @Frickman81 said...

    They change p&ps on my the fly, or once the public catches them. They down played things that were blatantly happening and until caught red handed then they say it’s ok

    Yes, P&P documents aren’t static and never to be changed. They do change over time based on new information and circumstances.

  • Frickman81

    @Steroid said...

    Yes, P&P documents aren’t static and never to be changed. They do change over time based on new information and circumstances.

    Or once you get caught violating your own then better change them up

  • JustDFSin

    Lol the build a better Lu brigade is back.

  • carney259

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    @Steroid said...

    Remember, their job is to protect their company and shareholders, which includes giving employees perks.

    Protecting shareholders often involves literally the opposite of giving employees perks. If you mean that the employees happen to also be shareholders, giving them perks in their capacity as employees does nothing to advance the cause of running the company in the best interests of its owners. Developing solid policies and procedures that will not be a legal or PR nightmare one day is 1000 times more important to protecting the company and shareholders than “giving employees perks.”

  • Steroid

    @JustDFSin said...

    Lol the build a better Lu brigade is back.

    Because the “I lost because an employee might have seen my lineup in 2013 brigade” is in full force, along with the “That’s why I lost, because of the Policy & Procedures from 2012”. Two strong forces led by the Sour Grapes Coalition.

  • Steroid

    @carney259 said...

    Protecting shareholders often involves literally the opposite of giving employees perks. If you mean that the employees happen to also be shareholders, giving them perks in their capacity as employees does nothing to advance the cause of running the company in the best interests of its owners. Developing solid policies and procedures that will not be a legal or PR nightmare one day is 1000 times more important to protecting the company and shareholders than “giving employees perks.”

    You give employees PERKS to retain and hire away the BEST employees from your competitors, which gives you the BEST company for your shareholders. NOW, if those PERKS are illegal, obviously that can’t fly. None of these PERKS were illegal as far as I can tell…and they are different TODAY and going forward…but wut diz I no, ya’ll much smarterz thanz me.

    PS – seems like they did develop solid P&P that will not be a legal or PR nightmare going forward. Unfortunately they weren’t drafted or even thought about until this year. Move forward people!

  • letterj007

    @Steroid said...

    Does anyone know when that Policy & Procedures document was dated? Was it 2012-2013? Things were MUCH different then. Besides, I bet they hired a law firm to draft that up. Maybe they should be on the hook for allowing certain actions.

    Why are you all so concerned about the past? Obviously DFS, FD, and DK are completely different now then they were 3 years ago. Remember, their job is to protect their company and shareholders, which includes giving employees perks. They owe nothing to the DFS Players really, other than to say what they do. You get to vote with your wallet. If you don’t like it, play somewhere else. And no, Policy & Procedures are not public information.

    Again, why don’t you focus on today and going forward? How have their P&Ps changed? Have they updated the entire manual? Read that one. Otherwise, you sound like sour grapes and pointing to that as the reason why you lost during those years. Build better lineups. You will win.

    I never played several years ago; I just started playing DFS 4 months ago, and I’m up money, so this is far from sour grapes on my part.

    Respectfully, it’s not about only now and going forward. It’s about 5 years ago, 3 years ago, 1 year ago, 6 months ago, and today. Everything that transpired will decide the legal landscape for DFS going forward, and if you cannot see that, you are not looking at this clearly.

    These companies owe all of us a level playing field. And that policy leads one to believe that the field was far from level while their employees were playing. These ‘perks’ you spoke of were to seemingly allow their employees to have access to insider info and then allow those same employees play at rival sites. Moreover, the policy says that these facts were to be kept as quiet as possible, BECAUSE MANAGEMENT KNEW HOW THE MAJORITY OF USERS WOULD PERCEIVE IT. One of the major sports leagues (MLB I believe) said they were SHOCKED when they found out that employees of these companies would be allowed to play DFS at all. Rhetorically, I wonder why a sports league would react that way?? A lot of people forever left DFS after losing all of their monies while these employees were playing. I hate to be the one to tell you but those are the people that are going to bring their legal wrath upon these companies. Keep saying #buildbetterlineups though.

  • mrchuffy

    @Steroid said...

    Because the “I lost because an employee might have seen my lineup in 2013 brigade” is in full force, along with the “That’s why I lost, because of the Policy & Procedures from 2012”. Two strong forces led by the Sour Grapes Coalition.

    I haven’t seen one comment complaining that it’s the reason they lost…btw looks like you need to build better lineups.

  • Steroid

    @letterj007 said...

    I never played several years ago; I just started playing DFS 4 months ago, and I’m up money, so this is far from sour grapes on my part.

    Respectfully, it’s not about only now and going forward. It’s about 5 years ago, 3 years ago, 1 year ago, 6 months ago, and today. Everything that transpired will decide the legal landscape for DFS going forward, and if you cannot see that, you are not looking at this clearly.

    These companies owe all of us a level playing field. And that policy leads one to believe that the field was far from level while their employees were playing. These ‘perks’ you spoke of were to seemingly allow their employees to have access to insider info and then allow those same employees play at rival sites. Moreover, the policy says that these facts were to be kept as quiet as possible, BECAUSE MANAGEMENT KNEW HOW THE MAJORITY OF USERS WOULD PERCEIVE IT. One of the major sports leagues (MLB I believe) said they were SHOCKED when they found out that employees of these companies would be allowed to play DFS at all. Rhetorically, I wonder why a sports league would react that way?? A lot of people forever left DFS after losing all of their monies while these employees were playing. I hate to be the one to tell you but those are the people that are going to bring their legal wrath upon these companies. Keep saying #buildbetterlineups though.

    If you don’t think you have a level playing field, then use your wallet. Maybe the patron DFS company 2.0 will come by and you can wait for them. Or, you can build a better lineup lol.

  • hendry

    @letterj007 said...

    A lot of people forever left DFS after losing all of their monies while these employees were playing.

    orly? can you prove that? im not on a side here, because both sides are full of ignorant rantings. the shaky assumptions made and presented as fact are getting in the way of the issues.

  • Steroid

    @mrchuffy said...

    I haven’t seen one comment complaining that it’s the reason they lost…

    You don’t have to look far into it.

    I wonder why the very successful non-DFS employeed players, aka, the multi-entry guys (perhaps not, looking at their weekly stats), are not up in arms. They are the ones MOST exposed by the old P&Ps…oh, they built a better lineup .

    Sadly, peons didn’t have lineups that were worth looking at anyway :(

  • jeffgo33

    Perhaps the FD/DK lawyers next week will say, “Your honor, It’s a simple matter of building better lineups.” and rest their case. I’m sure that would go over well.

  • mrchuffy

    @Steroid said...

    You don’t have to look far into it.

    I wonder why the very successful non-DFS employeed players, aka, the multi-entry guys (perhaps not, looking at their weekly stats), are not up in arms. They are the ones MOST exposed by the old P&Ps…oh, they built a better lineup .

    Sadly, peons didn’t have lineups that were worth looking at anyway :(

    Link to one in this thread?

  • JustDFSin

    @mrchuffy said...

    I haven’t seen one comment complaining that it’s the reason they lost…

    Money is all that matters to some people. Integrity and doing things the right way have taken a back seat nowadays to greed.

  • letterj007

    @hendry said...

    orly? can you prove that? im not on a side here, because both sides are full of ignorant rantings. the shaky assumptions made and presented as fact are getting in the way of the issues.

    I have several friends in my very small circle here in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada that got smoked over the last couple of years – regardless of the reasons for their losing efforts. They all thought that they were being hustled and left forever. I only started playing recently, and I did so hesitatingly because of their experiences. My friends couldn’t point to anything concrete though, and I decided to give it a whirl as a hobby. I’m a lawyer and I think they can now specifically point to info that seemingly shows that the playing field was far from level.

  • jeffgo33

    Steroid, just curious, you’ve stated in this thread that the P&P was from “2012-13” and “2012” and in another thread, “2011.” Couldn’t it just as easily have been from 2015, even perhaps the week before the Ethan tweet blew up? Don’t you think the AG and his investigators would have requested the most recent pre-Ethan version for this case and got it? I would. The AG might well be grandstanding, but I bet the AG office knows how to get a relevant document.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @letterj007 said...

    I have several friends in my very small circle here in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada that got smoked over the last couple of years – regardless of the reasons for their losing efforts. They all thought that they were being hustled and left forever.

    It is human nature to try and blame others for our own shortcomings.

  • Pats7914

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    I don’t feel that I was cheated at all or that any employees had a material advantage playing against me on other sites.

    That said, that is an indescribably bad policy document. The CEO should be fired for having that set of controls if he was there when they were in palce. A company policy that says “try not to be high on the leaderboard so as not to attract attention and accusations” for a highly regulated business? (and, current lack of rules aside, FanDuel participates in a highly regulated industry. Hopefully the company not understanding that doesn’t prove to be a death blow).

  • Steroid

    @letterj007 said...

    You just don’t get it. It isn’t about NOW. The playing field wasn’t (past tense) seemingly level.

    The proverbial handwriting is on the wall: These companies are DONE. DFS MIGHT survive in some form, but they are done like dinner. If I were a stakeholder, I could not get away from this fast enough, because it’s not going to end well.

    Keep thinking this is about #buildbetterlineups

    Hi Bernie Sanders

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    I was always uneasy with the poker partnerships/integration that DK embraced and in the past, expressed fear in regard to their policies(employees/scripts/mutli-entries, etc.). Idk, reading the forums and staying current with the news is rather depressing. I’m still in a state of denial, but even I can admit that it doesn’t look good. sigh

  • dyro01676

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    It is human nature to try and blame others for our own shortcomings.

    s

  • coninefan

    @Steroid said...

    Besides, I bet they hired a law firm to draft that up.

    No remotely competent law firm would ever draft a document that poorly written.

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