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  • alsmizzle

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    Al Smizzle’s Quarter Arcade Challenge!

    Tired of seeing the sharks with 10-20 lineups tear up the large field tournaments? Spend more time on the forums complaining that if only you had a bigger bankroll you could do it too? Well, you can. Here’s the challenge:

    1) buy 20 entries in the DraftKings quarter arcade every day for a week
    2) play any mix of lineups you want (mix, cash lineups, contrarian, stacks, mini-stacks, whatever)
    3) post your results here

    If you’re good at it, you’ll see a nice boost to your bankroll for only a $5 investment each day. If you’re not good at managing that many lineups you’ll have a greater appreciation for what people who can succeed with the multi entry approach do day in and day out. Either way, we all win.

  • mjordantmac

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    Would of probably won my second GPP in the last two weeks if it wasn’t for Max and I’m not even mad lol people need to understand how hard it is to do what he’s doing. GJ Max… impressive to say the least.

  • khall0816

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    When I first started I used to think the same thing…didn’t like people running trains. Used it as a tool to make myself better. Then I started Multi-Entering…talk about ADD overload! Specially if you have a situation where last minute news happens…and you have to have the plan to pivot quickly. It’s not easy, and I’ve gained respect for them. It’s simple though IMO. You wanna take down the SLAM, then enter the best Lineup, doesn’t matter if they have 200 or 1000…highest score wins! I promise, anyone that has the BR to throw 200 entries into the Mega-Slam is going to do it. If you don’t wanna play multi entry tourney’s then don’t. FD has a single entry at every price point.

    The only thing that I could think that might be something for them to think about is to have a tiered system though…DK has their beginner but that’s a limit of 50…maybe make another tier, or even say less than 100 entries cashed to help newbs possibly build their bankroll a little before taking on these huge GPPS….don’t know if this has been tried but it’s something I thought about during football season.

  • sonicattack

    This is still one of my favorite threads. I posted this elsewhere but tonight in the Micro Millions 2nd Chance Main Event – max ran 150 entries and cashed 134 of them.

    You try doing this – unless you already have a large roll, even at a quarter per entry – it adds up quickly if you’re bombing. And if you’re just going to throw several hundred random combinations out – you’ll lose money. I tried this during baseball with various team stacks – you can’t hit every combo on the board.

    You have to hit the right CORE and then perhaps “luck” into (hit) players around them that others might not be aware of which greatly exceed their price point in production. Good players are good for a reason.

  • CrazyGabey

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    If you’re feeling frisky you can do 40 lineups for ten dollars.

    Bro calm down.

  • jsahly

    Tried this for the first time last night:
    Entered: 20 lineups
    Targeted: GSW/Pho, LAC/Min (8 lineups apiece, all w/slight variations), 2 NYK/Ind, 2 Cousins/Davis locked in
    Won: $1.25
    Fun had: Way more than I expected. I’ve never entered more than 3-4 lineups in a contest, so this was a new experience. Didn’t exactly hit what I wanted, but it was a big-time learning experience. Firing it up again tonight!

  • jsahly

    Day 2:

    Entered: 20 lineups
    Targeted: Det/LAL, Cle/Dal (8 lineups apiece, all w/slight variations), 2 Tor/SA, 2 LeBron/Davis based LUs.
    Won: $8.62
    Had about 50 percent exposure to Stuckey thanks to RG incentives, most of those LUs cashed. Unfortunately had too much West.
    Learning a lot by doing this!

  • jsahly

    Day 3:

    Entered 20 lineups. Targeted Hou/Por and Min/Pho
    Won: Bupkiss
    Not enough Pau/Mirotic. And way too much Gerald Green. Probably too much Westbrook too.
    Back on the horse tonight.

  • bhdevault

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    @jsahly said...

    Day 3:

    Entered 20 lineups. Targeted Hou/Por and Min/Pho
    Won: Bupkiss
    Not enough Pau/Mirotic. And way too much Gerald Green. Probably too much Westbrook too.
    Back on the horse tonight.

    I for one would like to say I’m VERY interested in watching and following your results.

    It would be blog worthy as well, you should think about that!

  • dmrose

    I agree, I will be trying this soon as well. Wish I had done it earlier in the season as I think it’s a great way to test out different strategies without a lot of risk.

  • terrymandangle

    @jsahly said...

    Learning a lot by doing this!

    Link Qu

    This is literally how I have learned every sport so far. It its a great learning experience and won’t break your bankroll. This is how I tell all of my friends who are new to this how to start. It’s the best way to learn DFS in my opinion.

  • tommygmets86

    I have been doing 100 shot entries a night for a couple weeks, any interest in that?

  • jsahly

    Day 4

    Entered: 20 lineups. Targeted Sas/Cle (hello Kyrie), NY/LAL (8 lineups each) and Mem/Wsh
    Won: $9.50
    What I’m happiest about: Number of lineups cashed has gone from 2 to 6 to 8. I’ve got a better understanding of my process, too. I don’t feel like I’m due for a big $ day, but I feel like I’m getting more LUs closer to that target. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

  • bhdevault

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    @tommygmets86 said...

    I have been doing 100 shot entries a night for a couple weeks, any interest in that?

    I do this at times as well and all I can say is, my freaking wrist hurts after entering so many lineups! :)

  • pmsimkins

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    @tommygmets86 said...

    I have been doing 100 shot entries a night for a couple weeks, any interest in that?

    It’d be interesting to see you compare the ROI for a season on your 100 shots versus 1 Monster. I pretty much know how it’ll turn out, but it’d be great for other people to see it.

  • emac

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    @pmsimkins said...

    It’d be interesting to see you compare the ROI for a season on your 100 shots versus 1 Monster. I pretty much know how it’ll turn out, but it’d be great for other people to see it.

    Do you think it will turn out well for the small entry fees, or better for the one grand swing at a big prize?

    Myself, I am very curious to see the results. For anyone trying this… Regardless of small sample size.

    This should be a very interesting experiment and I do hope it is attempted :-)

  • Avgplayer

    Any other quarter arcade grinders around?Would be nice to see everyone’s results who are grinders. I am sure most if not all who play dfs are competitive. The community here is very supportive and we can watch the rise of the quarter grinders. Might be just the incentive to focus that much more on your lineups.

  • Putz

    @Avgplayer said...

    Any other quarter arcade grinders around?Would be nice to see everyone’s results who are grinders. I am sure most if not all who play dfs are competitive. The community here is very supportive and we can watch the rise of the quarter grinders. Might be just the incentive to focus that much more on your lineups.

    I may try to record something for baseball but am limited to a few times per week, not every day.

  • Syko

    I’m gonna start running 50 LUs a night in the Quarter Arcade and blog my process every night I’m able to do it. I think forcing myself to write down my picks and justify my decisions can only help me. I also don’t really have a bankroll large enough to keep playing the larger GPPs I’ve been in…and it seems obvious to me that playing 1 or 2 LUs in a massive GPP is donating money. We’ll see how it goes.

  • jsahly

    Day 5

    Entered 20 lineups. Targeted: Den/GS (8 lineups) Sac/Phi (4 lineups), and then targets went to crap with Valanciunas info.
    Won: $1.75.
    Went all in on Whiteside when news broke, and got off Boogie on several LUs to do it (and improve elsewhere). Whiteside was 3.8 percent owned, which I was thrilled about at the start. Targeted Lawson heavily, which boxed me in after that news broke.

    Satisfied with process, even if results didn’t work great. Day off DFS today, then back at it!

  • pmsimkins

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    @emac said...

    Do you think it will turn out well for the small entry fees, or better for the one grand swing at a big prize?

    Myself, I am very curious to see the results. For anyone trying this… Regardless of small sample size.

    This should be a very interesting experiment and I do hope it is attempted :-)

    Baring an outlier like winning the shot, I’d expect the Monster entry to fare much better.

  • pmsimkins

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    Another interesting thing for someone doing this to track. Prior to tip rank each lineup 1-20 (assuming 20 LUs here) by how much you like it. Then track ROI by ranking or group of rankings (1-5, 5-10 etc). If there is a strong correlation between ranking and ROI you should be playing fewer lineups higher dollar. If there isn’t then you’re better off continuing to throw a lot of darts. It’d take at least a season of data to learn something though.

  • Dearth_Slader

    @pmsimkins said...

    Another interesting thing for someone doing this to track. Prior to tip rank each lineup 1-20 (assuming 20 LUs here) by how much you like it. Then track ROI by ranking or group of rankings (1-5, 5-10 etc). If there is a strong correlation between ranking and ROI you should be playing fewer lineups higher dollar. If there isn’t then you’re better off continuing to throw a lot of darts. It’d take at least a season of data to learn something though.

    I’ve thought about this idea too but for baseball. Would definitely be an interesting case study in either sport.

  • Skipbidder

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    I routinely multi-enter tournaments at Fanduel. 20-60 lineups is fairly usual. I play very little on DK.

    I’m going to try 50 entries in the quarter arcade today. I have the day off of work. :)

    I anticipate it will be much tougher for me than on FD. (Deciding which players to use will be tougher, that is. The positional flexibility and trying to account for correct late swap strategy options very much complicates the procedure. Actually entering them will be easier. The interface there is miles ahead of FD.)

  • alsmizzle

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    With the size of the $1, $2 and $3 tournaments now it would be a REALLY grest time for people willing to risk more than $5 a night on something like this…and for a MUCH greater potential return.

  • PigskinaBlanket

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    Now I am not one that has any issue with multiple entries, I typically play about 6 lineups a night comfortably. But, figured it would be fun to document the challenge. Not sure how well I can manage 20 lineups, but I plan to run somewhere in the 10-20. I will probably do this in the Moonshot to start. Will Blog it for fun.

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