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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    So it’s once again time for the annual what are sites doing with their NHL product this year thread. FD has talked about either removing or at worst reducing the value of +/- along with the removal of positive points for penalties. As of right now they appear to be the same as last year. On DK they made a roster change in MLB that limited people to a max of 5 batters in a lineup. Is that going into effect in NHL as well? (no more than 5 skaters per team)

  • maxeernst

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    So they are giving us a bonus on PPG? LOL WTF. It’s like making a TD scored from inside the Red zone worth more than ones scored from your own side of midfield. Least they got rid of PiMs and +/-

    They’ve always given this bonus.

    The lack of change from .5 may be a typo or it may be intentional.

    Given that they removed +\- (which didnt affect pp goals) PP goals are still made more significant vis a vis ES goals by the new scoring. Alas, the bonus is negligible vis a vis shots, BS, etc.

    Vis a vis. Lol.

  • kellykip

    Hockey season is here – all is again right with the world

  • yountingly

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    @kellykip said...

    Hockey season is here – all is again right with the world

    This is true. Isles-Rag$ preseason game on TV tonight and I have my long time auction season long league tonight. A very good night on tap.

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Fanduel (or should we call you DK lite) You’ve taken any of the excitement I had building up for this upcoming season on your site and ruined it before it started.

    You made some solid points, but it’s your fault for expecting more from FD. This seems right in line with what a lot of people expected. A bad business decision to just copy DK. They even threw in the typical FD NHL negligence with “Oops, nobody checked our work and forgot to multiply PPP by 4.”

  • dude_abides7

    @jakehari said...

    This is like FD adding full PPR and yardage bonuses for NFL. What is stopping people from moving completely over to DK?

    Nothing is stopping them. And that is the point.

  • kellykip

    I’m just waiting for Jimmy Vesey to score 2 on opening night and then getting added to the player pool some time in November

  • dude_abides7

    @mberkowi said...

    You made some solid points, but it’s your fault for expecting more from FD.

    You couldn’t be more right. I was looking forward to seeing my hockey brethren in the trenches for some good sweats this year. Now I honestly might sit it out. If I wanted to play on DK, I’d play on DK. Short of a few differences this is essentially the same product.

    So where do I take my play this season? I literally think DK is run by criminals and FD has monkeys running their product department evidently. I refuse to just play in a sub-par product just to have action in the game. Any suggestions? Fantasy Aces maybe?

    FD has the 100 man leagues that were a staple to my +EV and used as a nice multiplier to cover my all GPP strategy. This is what hurts the most.

    Between 1 and 100, what are the chances if FD gets hits with a bunch of complaints before the games are posted that they rethink this nonsense?

  • wisertime

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    They just 4x’d the points value, wins were 3pts and goals were 3pts now they are both 12pts

    I understand that, but in the old scoring format, picking a winning goalie wasn’t paramount in winning a tourney. now if u don’t have the winning goalie, it’s too many points to make up. in the old format u could make up the 3 points by shots saved. now that won’t be the case. in the past , I wasn’t overly concerned if my goalie won, I looked at a guy that could have a lot of saves and as long as he wasn’t a goalie from calgary, I figured I could make up points by saving on goalie salary by taking a cheaper option

  • EasyRawlins

    @dude_abides7 said...

    The +/-, like it or not, was a way from FD to differentiate their NHL offering. I built my LU’s and game theory around the stat. To be honest, removing it eliminates one of the primary reason I played on the site. I actually used the stat to my advantage. If they remove it, of course we will all adapt. But that is beside the point.

    A couple of FD guys reached out to me several months back (as I am sure they did many others) about plus/minus. My thoughts were that as supposed to removing it altogether that they should lower it to .5 points as supposed to 1. I saw this as a happy middle solution and will still allow them to maintain their unique differentiation from DK.

    I am totally OK with the removal of PIM. It is a outlier stat that shouldn’t be rewarded. Some goon gets a major and misconny and gets 3+ points.

    The Wayne Simmonds DFS hat trick. 10 min game misconduct, 1 assist, 1 goal. Gold, boy.

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    FD has the 100 man leagues that were a staple to my +EV and used as a nice multiplier to cover my all GPP strategy. This is what hurts the most

    If you want 100 man league’s, that’s essentially the second tier site’s GPP on a good night.

    Queue MaxEErnst running over to hook you up with an Aces referal.

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @wisertime said...

    I understand that, but in the old scoring format, picking a winning goalie wasn’t paramount in winning a tourney. now if u don’t have the winning goalie, it’s too many points to make up. in the old format u could make up the 3 points by shots saved. now that won’t be the case. in the past , I wasn’t overly concerned if my goalie won, I looked at a guy that could have a lot of saves and as long as he wasn’t a goalie from calgary, I figured I could make up points by saving on goalie salary by taking a cheaper option

    Math is hard.

  • EasyRawlins

    @Olhausen said...

    Well now you don’t have to worry about guys doing 300 lineup’s because the limit is now 150.

    Edit: This is the second time I have tried to quote someone and it ended up not showing the persons post who I was trying to quote. I’ve noticed other people having the same problem so RG staff might want to check that out.

    Wow. Only 150. I guess I should be grateful.

  • wisertime

    @mberkowi said...

    Math is hard.

    haha. yeah I just realized that. I fcked that up haha. oh well. but if it’s a low scoring night , having a winning goalie is a bit more important than before

  • maxeernst

    @mberkowi said...

    If you want 100 man league’s, that’s essentially the second tier site’s GPP on a good night.

    Queue MaxEErnst running over to hook you up with an Aces referal.

    Aces offerings look strong (for a 2nd tier site) to start the season. I am curious how they will look a few weeks in, though.

  • stooge72

    Ive won money plenty of times with t hat strategy

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Not gonna lie. After 6+ years of me complaining about Pims and +/- i am having a huge party to celebrate tonight

  • wisertime

    @wisertime said...

    haha. yeah I just realized that. I fcked that up haha. oh well. but if it’s a low scoring night , having a winning goalie is a bit more important than before

    I am idiot Geez

  • DillingerFour

    FD Rep - DFBMeeMee Champ (x2)

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    Our contests will be coming out this afternoon with our scoring updates. We are putting a strong emphasis on our NHL product this year and hope the changes are good for all of our players.

    As always, feedback is appreciated and we will take it all into consideration.

    Also, I am a “real person”.

  • maxeernst

    Hi Curtis. Can you confirm this is the new FD scoring?

  • BeltWieldindad

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    They changed MLB scoring mid season when people complained right? Prays

    Points awarded for Blocked shots is a direct negative correlation with game of skill

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @BeltWieldindad said...

    They changed MLB scoring mid season when people complained right? Prays

    Points awarded for Blocked shots is a direct negative correlation with game of skill

    How is that? They are predictable and easily researched. They add value to some Dmen that were not even playable before thus making more variance in line up creation. They are a key stat that contribute to change of possession as well. Seems like a great addition to me.

  • maxeernst

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    How is that? They are predictable and easily researched. They add value to some Dmen that were not even playable before thus making more variance in line up creation. They are a key stat that contribute to change of possession as well. Seems like a great addition to me.

    Please show me any reputable analysis that demonstrates blocked shots are predictable.

  • sethayates

    @DillingerFour said...

    Our contests will be coming out this afternoon with our scoring updates. We are putting a strong emphasis on our NHL product this year and hope the changes are good for all of our players.

    As always, feedback is appreciated and we will take it all into consideration.

    Also, I am a “real person”.

    Can you confirm that empty net goals are now worth 23 points? I’m a big fan of this change! Those last second goals were always my favorite part of playing on FD. Even though +/- is gone, adding the extra weight to empty net goals was a good compromise.

  • rotokevin

    2014 RG Bowling Co-Champion, CPA & DFS Tax Guru

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @DillingerFour said...

    Also, I am a “real person”.

    True story.

  • dude_abides7

    @DillingerFour said...

    Our contests will be coming out this afternoon with our scoring updates. We are putting a strong emphasis on our NHL product this year and hope the changes are good for all of our players.

    As always, feedback is appreciated and we will take it all into consideration.

    Also, I am a “real person”.

    I appreciate you coming on here to provide updates. Please…stop this ridiculous before it is too late!

    — Getting rid of PIM was great! Adding blocked shots is adding enough irrelevant stat that just replaces the one you got rid of!

    — +/- was FD’s only unique differentiation. Now you might as well call yourself DK.

    — As I stated earlier, the problem with FD wasn’t their scoring sans the PIM issue. It was the fact that you routinely were late adding guys to the player pool, guys slotted at wrong positions, and general nonsensical game slate/volume decisions as it relates to your contest sizes, i.e. filling up a $25K breakaway, then 3-$5K breakaways.

    I know I am only one person here, but it looks like FD has ruined their NHL product, not improved it. Please reconsider before it is too late. I played 90% of my NHL action on FD. I am pretty sure I am bailing if these changes hold true.

    EDIT: Removed part about goalies. I am just now noticing this is just a 4X across the board.

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