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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    So it’s once again time for the annual what are sites doing with their NHL product this year thread. FD has talked about either removing or at worst reducing the value of +/- along with the removal of positive points for penalties. As of right now they appear to be the same as last year. On DK they made a roster change in MLB that limited people to a max of 5 batters in a lineup. Is that going into effect in NHL as well? (no more than 5 skaters per team)

  • BeltWieldindad

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    How is that? They are predictable and easily researched. They add value to some Dmen that were not even playable before thus making more variance in line up creation. They are a key stat that contribute to change of possession as well. Seems like a great addition to me.

    Sure you got your kris russells and a few other horrible defenseman on bad teams that give up a million shots that are bound to get blocked shots. (Side not I can’t wait for a guy like this on FD to pop up at min price and remain there for weeks due to their stagnant pricing). Then you have the other 90% of players, including virtually all forwards, where it’s completely unpredictable

  • maxeernst

    @dude_abides7 said...

    You have over-weighted the “w” here. So I got a goalie who stops 45 shots and loses 1-0 or 2-1 and he is worth less than a goally who wins a 6-5 game? This is not an example of “product improvement”.

    Math is hard.

  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    I appreciate you coming on here to provide updates. Please…stop this ridiculous before it is too late!

    — Getting rid of PIM was great! Adding blocked shots is adding enough irrelevant stat that just replaces the one you got rid of!

    — +/- was FD’s only unique differentiation. Now you might as well call yourself DK.

    — Goalies – I guess we can get used to this, but you went way top heavy with the “w” value. Some of the best goalies stop 45 shots a game on losing teams. Some goalies are garbage, give up 5 goals and still get the win because their teams offense is carrying them. You have over-weighted the “w” here. So I got a goalie who stops 45 shots and loses 1-0 or 2-1 and he is worth less than a goally who wins a 6-5 game? This is not an example of “product improvement”.

    — As I stated earlier, the problem with FD wasn’t their scoring sans the PIM issue. It was the fact that you routinely were late adding guys to the player pool, guys slotted at wrong positions, and general nonsensical game slate/volume decisions as it relates to your contest sizes, i.e. filling up a $25K breakaway, then 3-$5K breakaways.

    I know I am only one person here, but it looks like FD has ruined their NHL product, not improved it. Please reconsider before it is too late. I played 90% of my NHL action on FD. I am pretty sure I am bailing if these changes hold true.

    EDIT: And this (having to bail) ^ breaks my heart.

    This x100 other than goalie math being off

  • dude_abides7

    @theseige said...

    This x100 other than goalie math being off

    Yes, I noticed that…I thought someone said that the PPG and saves were staying the same. I misunderstood the goalie points. It’s value is the same, 4X.

  • ScottyP33

    The FD scoring page for NHL has no mention of power play points.

  • CruzinToVictory

    RG Product Coordinator

    • Blogger of the Month

    Guys, maybe I’m missing something here, but everyone is freaking out about the Power Play bonus being only 0.5 points. Did you all notice that it says BONUS?

    That means a PPG will get you 8.5 points, not just .5 points. So no, a blocked shot is not worth 4x a PPG.

  • maxeernst

    @ScottyP33 said...

    The FD scoring page for NHL has no mention of power play points.

    yes it does.

    The new scoring is officially listed in rules on FD.

  • maxeernst

    @CruzinToVictory said...

    Guys, maybe I’m missing something here, but everyone is freaking out about the Power Play bonus being only 0.5 points. Did you all notice that it says BONUS?

    That means a PPG will get you 8.5 points, not just .5 points. So no, a blocked shot is not worth 4x a PPG.

    Yes we understand. But it was the same previously.

    While everything else was multiplied x4, the size of the BONUS stayed the same

  • ScottyP33

    @maxeernst said...

    yes it does.

    The new scoring is officially listed in rules on FD.

    I had to hit refresh and it showed up. It was not there prior, and the scoring had been updated to reflect the “times 4”. You arecorrect, it is there now.

  • CruzinToVictory

    RG Product Coordinator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @maxeernst said...

    Yes we understand. But it was the same previously.

    While everything else was multiplied x4, the size of the BONUS stayed the same

    So you think you should get 10 points for a PPG? People are already complaining that there’s a bonus at all for them. It’s simply there to break ties.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Sorry PP points should be worth less than even strength pts not more

  • BeltWieldindad

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Sorry PP points should be worth less than even strength pts not more

    This times infinity. Would be nice if there could be a way to add an even strength bonus to goals/assists. Would be a very fair compromise on the +/- scoring debate

  • dude_abides7

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Sorry PP points should be worth less than even strength pts not more

    Keeping the plus/minus stat addressed this, but now without it…you are right, it screws things up/

  • dude_abides7

    @BeltWieldindad said...

    This times infinity. Would be nice if there could be a way to add an even strength bonus to goals/assists. Would be a very fair compromise on the +/- scoring debate

    Another great point.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Agreed. +1 for ES pts, +2 for SH points

  • CruzinToVictory

    RG Product Coordinator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Sorry PP points should be worth less than even strength pts not more

    This I can understand. I was mostly confused by people complaining it wasn’t multiplied.

    If anything, a PP goal could have been worth 7.5 or something, just to keep the fractional scoring there (again, for tie breaking reasons).

  • B_Edelman

    I feel like many heavy volume players moved to DK completely by the end of last year. I doubt these scoring changes bring any of them back, unless there is a big edge to be gained on digging into the new scoring. Most people would rather just spend that time researching for DK.

  • wisertime

    @maxeernst said...

    Math is hard.

    why be so condescending? in the old FD scoring format , a winning goalie with 20 saves in. 3-2 game would total 5pts. losing goalie with 30 saves would total 3 pts a difference of 2 point. in the new format, the winning goalie would have 20pts losing goalie would have 12 points. that’s an 8 point difference. how is that not relevant

  • AVirk51

    2014 FFFC Finalist, 2014 DFBC Finalist, 2015 FD MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    So the Breakaway for opening night has a 1st place prize of $20K…on a 4 game slate. I’m curious to see what it will be when we actually have a large slate (hopefully more, and not less….which happened quite a bit last year).

  • julieduke33

    So without plus minus everyone on Colorado amd Calgary in play now since they play no D but it doesn’t matter…I know plus minus isnot a perfect stat but at least it penalized those guys…

  • awilson45

    A 100k $3 entry tournament is pretty crazy for NHL. I’m interested in seeing what DK rolls out

  • awilson45

    @julieduke33 said...

    So without plus minus Kane and ovechkin will be almost must plays…I’m sure their are others that fit the bill, everyone on Colorado amd Calgary in play now since they play no D but it doesn’t matter…

    *Johnny Hockey is only in play at home

  • julieduke33

    @awilson45 said...

    *Johnny Hockey is only in play at home

    Actually ovy and Kane weren’t bad in plus minus
    Last year so I apologize to them

  • julieduke33

    Actually blocked shots helps Colorado D as well since they allow so many damn shots…haha..beauchemin and Erik Johnson both top 5… Beauchemin had 46 more than the guy in 2nd…I guess block shots won’t be a big factor but I never played DK so I don’t know…

  • maxeernst

    @wisertime said...

    why be so condescending? in the old FD scoring format , a winning goalie with 20 saves in. 3-2 game would total 5pts. losing goalie with 30 saves would total 3 pts a difference of 2 point. in the new format, the winning goalie would have 20pts losing goalie would have 12 points. that’s an 8 point difference. how is that not relevant

    Because all the scoring is x4 dude. Old 2 pt difference and new 8 pt difference basically the same.

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