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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    So it’s once again time for the annual what are sites doing with their NHL product this year thread. FD has talked about either removing or at worst reducing the value of +/- along with the removal of positive points for penalties. As of right now they appear to be the same as last year. On DK they made a roster change in MLB that limited people to a max of 5 batters in a lineup. Is that going into effect in NHL as well? (no more than 5 skaters per team)

  • Duck911

    @julieduke33 said...

    but if you stack both sides of a 6-5 game you re going to have most of the points anyway unless all 3rd liners score..

    Come on, let’s be somewhat realistic…

    Salary constraints are generally going to prevent two first line/PP1 stacks from the same game. Or even if you can pull it off, you’l be -EV through the rest of your lineup.

    Stacking a top line was already a stategy, but last year a full line stack would have included players like Melker Karelsson, just because he played with Thornton and Pavelski, with the hope to ride coattails on the +/- , maybe pick up a point, and save a few bucks.

    I think this year it will take a little more thought…

  • julieduke33

    I hope you’re right and if they adjusted salaries regularly by role on team you may be right but With the usually soft pricing and nights where a good teams backup is in goal it will be pretty easy to stack PPs.. Probably not the pittsbiurghs, SJ and Blackhawks to name a few but others lower priced..I mean I believe klingberg from Dallas and the rookie from philly were on 1st PP for a few weeks before they went above 3400

  • starosky1472

    A little off topic but maybe not considering the changes. Are there any good NHL DFS podcasts? Not much content made for NHL it seems. Love the grinders stuff but also seems to lack a little in NHL

  • zshoom

    • 2016 Single Entry Series Finalist

    @Duck911 said...

    Come on, let’s be somewhat realistic…

    Salary constraints are generally going to prevent two first line/PP1 stacks from the same game. Or even if you can pull it off, you’l be -EV through the rest of your lineup.

    Stacking a top line was already a stategy, but last year a full line stack would have included players like Melker Karelsson, just because he played with Thornton and Pavelski, with the hope to ride coattails on the +/- , maybe pick up a point, and save a few bucks.

    I think this year it will take a little more thought…

    I’m not a huge fan of blocked shots and I did like +/- but I can adjust and deal with the addition/removal. The biggest problem I see with this scoring is that PPP are now worth more than even strength. It’s not a big deal from a DFS point of view, but as a hockey fan this bugs me.

    If they want the .5 as a tiebreaker, they could either add it to even strength points instead of powerplay points, include a .5 GWG bonus, make blocks worth 1.5 instead of 1.6 etc etc. No shortage of options – they could just add/remove .1 to/from anything.

    Overall, not thrilled with the new scoring but I can live with it.

    Quoted the above post accidentally. Duck11 made some good points though

  • julieduke33

    Well let’s just hope they adjust the PP scoring…they adjusted MLB scoring after season started so some hope…in no way should a PP goal be worth more than an even strength goal…that’s the only real mistake…others I can live with as well..

  • ivymoose

    So the multiplier was 4, not 5, almost got it…

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/fd-out-to-lunch-with-nhl-as-usual-1223581?page=2#reply-1226779

  • Duck911

    The extra pp bonus doesn’t really bug me, personally. It’s such a small bonus that I probably won’t consider it in my lu construction. You’d have to get 3 power play points to receive a bonus that’s the same as just one blocked shot, or even just 1 SOG!

    The new bonus would have added on average .22 points per game to the best pp player last year, Patrick Kane. With shots and blocks being 1.6 points, the variance in those two stats wipes out any pp bonus considerations in my mind.

  • julieduke33

    @Duck911 said...

    The extra pp bonus doesn’t really bug me, personally. It’s such a small bonus that I probably won’t consider it in my lu construction. You’d have to get 3 power play points to receive a bonus that’s the same as just one blocked shot, or even just 1 SOG!

    The new bonus would have added on average .22 points per game to the best pp player last year, Patrick Kane. With shots and blocks being 1.6 points, the variance in those two stats wipes out any pp bonus considerations in my mind.

    Yeah it’s not the biggest deal but it just shows their lack of caring..in the long run that bonus won’t be difference in wins and losses, I mean we all want guys on PP anyway ..it’s just makes zero sense and they didn’t think it through …I guess the old hockey player in me hates it more than it making a difference DFS wise

  • zshoom

    • 2016 Single Entry Series Finalist

    @Duck911 said...

    The extra pp bonus doesn’t really bug me, personally. It’s such a small bonus that I probably won’t consider it in my lu construction. You’d have to get 3 power play points to receive a bonus that’s the same as just one blocked shot, or even just 1 SOG!

    The new bonus would have added on average .22 points per game to the best pp player last year, Patrick Kane. With shots and blocks being 1.6 points, the variance in those two stats wipes out any pp bonus considerations in my mind.

    Yeah, it bugs me more as a hockey fan than it does as a DFS player.

  • dude_abides7

    @Duck911 said...

    With shots and blocks being 1.6 points, the variance in those two stats wipes out any pp bonus considerations in my mind.

    That doesn’t make it a good thing or a productive improvement. That said, I get your point. The larger variable here is the blocked shot stat. But for me that makes this whole thing that much worse.

  • Duck911

    Don’t disagree with you there.

  • julieduke33

    Well good luck all this year in NHL…can’t wait for season to start since they took all my college sports away…

  • Fsudrew17

    Sent a dm to draft kings about when NHL contests will be released. They replied “NHL salaries/ contests will be posted tomorrow”

  • TheTonyM

    RG NHL Daily Plays

    I’m going to have to update my Intro to NHL DFS piece with the new FD scoring….https://rotogrinders.com/articles/an-introduction-to-daily-fantasy-hockey-1456693

  • Olhausen

    @julieduke33 said...

    Well good luck all this year in NHL…can’t wait for season to start since they took all my college sports away…

    I didn’t really think about it till now but I wonder if losing college sports will bring in a few more NHL fantasy players this season. Or maybe they all just go play NFL or NBA?

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @BlacknBlue said...

    You don’t see Patrick Kane getting in the shooting lanes very often (

    Yeah, that dude sucks at hockey. No grit.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @TheTonyM said...

    I’m going to have to update my Intro to NHL DFS piece with the new FD scoring….https://rotogrinders.com/articles/an-introduction-to-daily-fantasy-hockey-1456693

    Maybe a full rewrite starting with. To start your research look at the Vegas lines #fishneedtoswim

  • mberkowi

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @starosky1472 said...

    Not much content made for NHL it seems. Love the grinders stuff but also seems to lack a little in NHL

    Stay tuned. I heard there’s something really big in the works.

  • maxeernst

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Maybe a full rewrite starting with. To start your research look at the Vegas lines #fishneedtoswim

    I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @mberkowi said...

    Stay tuned. I heard there’s something really big in the works.

    Maybe RG can get Pierre Mcguire to talk about himself for an hour everyday

  • BIF

    @Fsudrew17 said...

    Sent a dm to draft kings about when NHL contests will be released. They replied “NHL salaries/ contests will be posted tomorrow”

    Excellent !!

    Without re-reading through this thread, are there any changes to DK’s hockey scoring ? Looks like what I read the past couple days was only about FD changes.

  • newynewstrom

    • x3

      2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    I think a few pages back someone said that DK won’t have any changes.

  • dude_abides7

    @BIF said...

    Without re-reading through this thread, are there any changes to DK’s hockey scoring ?

    Since FD decided they wanted to be DK and copied their scoring, I think DK will follow suit and adopt +/-.

    (Sarcasm intended)

  • wisertime

    @maxeernst said...

    It’s okay. This is a safe space. You are welcome :)

    thanks.

  • mjv3d2009

    All I know is that I’m stacking Hawks, Lightning and Senko every night!

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