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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    So it’s once again time for the annual what are sites doing with their NHL product this year thread. FD has talked about either removing or at worst reducing the value of +/- along with the removal of positive points for penalties. As of right now they appear to be the same as last year. On DK they made a roster change in MLB that limited people to a max of 5 batters in a lineup. Is that going into effect in NHL as well? (no more than 5 skaters per team)

  • SpoWeezy

    Thank you for reminding me why I don’t post on message boards. You guys nitpick at everything and dismiss the overall message portrayed by the post.

    Thanks to the people that understood what I was saying and ultimately supported the message.

    Yes, you can be successful at DFS by not watching the games. You can study nhl stats and enter lineups without being a hockey fan.

    I can wear moonboots but it doesn’t make me an astronaut.

    My point was, there is a reason that NHL gpp prize pools are typically lower than nba, NFL, and MLB prize pools.

    That reason is that the MAJORITY of sports fans are more inclined to play the latter 3, because they are the sports that they most enjoy WATCHING.

    The AVERAGE sports fan is intrigued by DFS because it gives them a chance to draft teams of players that they can cheer for while WATCHING the games.

    The reason that NHL prize pools are smaller, is because average sports fans are more likely to enter DFS contests for the sports that they are watching. And because there is a smaller population of people in the United States watching hockey than football, the gpp prize pools proportionately reflect that.

    I don’t watch basketball ever. Have I entered nba DFS lineups? Sure. Do I consider myself an nba DFS player? No.

    With all of that being said, I think that the stat changes can hurt more than help, because they are risking alienating the core group of NHL fans who played on the site. And losing them would hurt more than bringing on a couple of non-fans who might throw a couple bucks a week.

    I hope I am singing a different tune come mid-November. Only time will tell how well we adapt to the scoring changes. But this was my initial impression of everything.

  • awilson45

    preseason NHL, never thought I’d see the day. Sweet

  • blackburn72419

    guess all my NHL volume with be on DK this season, no reason to play FD any more…

  • dude_abides7

    @awilson45 said...

    preseason NHL, never thought I’d see the day. Sweet

    And apparently you won’t see the day. Slate cancelled. Smh

  • wisertime

    @SpoWeezy said...

    Thank you for reminding me why I don’t post on message boards. You guys nitpick at everything and dismiss the overall message portrayed by the post.

    Thanks to the people that understood what I was saying and ultimately supported the message.

    Yes, you can be successful at DFS by not watching the games. You can study nhl stats and enter lineups without being a hockey fan.

    I can wear moonboots but it doesn’t make me an astronaut.

    My point was, there is a reason that NHL gpp prize pools are typically lower than nba, NFL, and MLB prize pools.

    That reason is that the MAJORITY of sports fans are more inclined to play the latter 3, because they are the sports that they most enjoy WATCHING.

    The AVERAGE sports fan is intrigued by DFS because it gives them a chance to draft teams of players that they can cheer for while WATCHING the games.

    The reason that NHL prize pools are smaller, is because average sports fans are more likely to enter DFS contests for the sports that they are watching. And because there is a smaller population of people in the United States watching hockey than football, the gpp prize pools proportionately reflect that.

    I don’t watch basketball ever. Have I entered nba DFS lineups? Sure. Do I consider myself an nba DFS player? No.

    With all of that being said, I think that the stat changes can hurt more than help, because they are risking alienating the core group of NHL fans who played on the site. And losing them would hurt more than bringing on a couple of non-fans who might throw a couple bucks a week.

    I hope I am singing a different tune come mid-November. Only time will tell how well we adapt to the scoring changes. But this was my initial impression of everything.

    excellent post. Time will tell what effect these scoring changes do. I personally don’t like the 4x previous scoring. the .5 bonus for powerplay goals makes no sense to me. I think even strength goals should have counted more. If I had a choice, I would have kept the scoring the same, except I would have bumped up what a goal scored was worth and kept assists scoring the same, and I would have given a higher bonus for a shutout. I also would have eliminated overtime scoring. I do like the shorthanded goal bonus, but I dislike block shots. I never played DK NHL because of blocked shots, since FD adopted it, I will now give DK a try as well as still playing FD to see which I like better.

  • SpoWeezy

    @wisertime said...

    excellent post. Time will tell what effect these scoring changes do. I personally don’t like the 4x previous scoring. the .5 bonus for powerplay goals makes no sense to me. I think even strength goals should have counted more. If I had a choice, I would have kept the scoring the same, except I would have bumped up what a goal scored was worth and kept assists scoring the same, and I would have given a higher bonus for a shutout. I also would have eliminated overtime scoring. I do like the shorthanded goal bonus, but I dislike block shots. I never played DK NHL because of blocked shots, since FD adopted it, I will now give DK a try as well as still playing FD to see which I like better.

    Thanks, I appreciate ya. And I agree with a lot of what you said here.

    I think the tweaks you posted are what most NHL DFS players were looking for. Instead we got this overinflation of points that just looks like a sick joke.

    To be clear, I am a huge fan of FD. They have been great to me for the last couple years and i’ve played almost exclusively there. I just think they got this one completely wrong.

    I’ll probably start the season on FD just because it feels comfortable, but i’ve already started looking at the DK scoring system also. If things don’t start out as planned then it makes sense to jump ship.

  • KindGuy

    @SpoWeezy said...

    If things don’t start out as planned then it makes sense to jump ship

    Translation: If I don’t start beasting GPP’s and binking tournaments left and right like I always do, I’m outta there!

  • wisertime

    @elementasrat said...

    Translation: If I don’t start beasting GPP’s and binking tournaments left and right like I always do, I’m outta there!

    too funny. I wish someone said that about me. truth is though, if you play and do not win, what’s the point?

  • maxeernst

    @wisertime said...

    if you play and do not win, what’s the point?

    Well, I’m sure there are plenty of people implementing sound strategies and just suffering due to variance.

    Hard to say how much play it takes to realize expectation

  • wisertime

    @maxeernst said...

    Well, I’m sure there are plenty of people implementing sound strategies and just suffering due to variance.

    Hard to say how much play it takes to realize expectation

    haha. that is true. i took a swing at DFS baseball after the Allstar break. I will say it started to get ugly at the end , and I did keep playing. but I was at the point of enough is enough.

  • wisertime

    everyone has limits. atleast I hope I do. I don’t want to go the art schliester / pete rose route.

  • maxeernst

    On the other side of the coin, I’m sure there are plenty of people implementing bad strategies but winning. And I bet a lot of these people feel like they’ve got DFS “figured out”. GL when variance turns.

  • tvsfrink

    There’s also a rumor that DFS can be fun. Unconfirmed but sounds reasonable.

  • maxeernst

    @tvsfrink said...

    There’s also a rumor that DFS can be fun. Unconfirmed but sounds reasonable.

    Confirmed.

  • kellykip

    @maxeernst said...

    On the other side of the coin, I’m sure there are plenty of people implementing bad strategies but winning. And I bet a lot of these people feel like they’ve got DFS “figured out”. GL when variance turns.

    Yes, this is absolutely true. Last year I was speaking with a guy I know who plays, and he had asked me at one point how it had been going. I was telling him that I had been shut out of any top 2% cashes for whatever the length of time it was, but explained that I was very happy with my lineup decisions when I reviewed my plays after the fact, and that my plays were probably as solid as they had been the entire season.

    He looked at me like I just grew another head mid sentence. And this is a guy that plays half decent volume.

  • maxeernst

    @kellykip said...

    He looked at me like I just grew another head mid sentence. And this is a guy that plays half decent volume.

    Must have been #awkwarddddd

    Unless you are playing huge volume it’s really hard to get a sample big enough to make conclusions on.

  • garybmw

    @maxeernst said...

    On the other side of the coin, I’m sure there are plenty of people implementing bad strategies but winning. And I bet a lot of these people feel like they’ve got DFS “figured out”. GL when variance turns.

    YUP thats me

  • kellykip

    @maxeernst said...

    Must have been #awkwarddddd

    Unless you are playing huge volume it’s really hard to get a sample big enough to make conclusions on.

    Yeah it’s like poker – people got so carried away with a couple of early deep runs, and never bothered putting in the work away from the table anymore cause they figured their 3 FTs was evidence that they had it all figured out. Try explaining to him that he is many many many tourneys away from having an even half representative sample size, and he’ll just say you’re just jealous.

  • maxeernst

    @kellykip said...

    Yeah it’s like poker – people got so carried away with a couple of early deep runs, and never bothered putting in the work away from the table anymore cause they figured their 3 FTs was evidence that they had it all figured out. Try explaining to him that he is many many many tourneys away from having an even half representative sample size, and he’ll just say you’re just jealous.

    So, who is the Jamie Gold of DFS?

  • kellykip

    @maxeernst said...

    So, who is the Jamie Gold of DFS?

    haha, that would be an interesting thread to say the least!

  • garybmw

    Max any thoughts on last nights Penguins disaster. All the Vegas money poured into them driving the line from -150 to -250 what the hell happened to them?

  • maxeernst

    @garybmw said...

    Max any thoughts on last nights Penguins disaster. All the Vegas money poured into them driving the line from -150 to -250 what the hell happened to them?

    I didn’t watch, but I would never bet on preseason hockey.

  • garybmw

    All the starters played, except Crosby…. just an odd game

  • wisertime

    @garybmw said...

    All the starters played, except Crosby…. just an odd game

    Hagelin didn’t play. plus the pens used a defensive pairing of Pouliot and Schultz. Pouliot has been awful in the preseason and has been a bust overall. Expect him to be the pens 7th or 8th defensemen and most likely, the pens will try to trade him. There is no way a Pouliot / Schultz pairing will happen in the regular season.

  • garybmw

    Thought Letang played the most minutes on that D last night? And Shultz was a beast last year no?

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