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  • kb32dawgs

    I’m sure I’m not the only one sick and tried of the NBA equallying shitty night after shitty night of under performing soft players and late scratching for “rest”. I know variance is a big part of DFS in general but is anyone really winning anything significant other than the handful of players who can afford to play 150k in entries every night. I am officially done with NBA this season and may not come back to this sport in terms of DFS ever.

    I’m sure no one gives a shit about my rant but I imagine there are thousands out there just like me that see DFS going downhill at a very fast pace.

  • Baldeagle46

    Hard to enjoy losing money. You ever look at it that way? Mr Know it all👍

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Basketball had been my most profitable sport for the years I’ve played DFS, but I stopped a couple months ago.

    I lost nearly my entire bankroll, while using proper management, during the end of the NFL season and NBA.

    Really it not only stopped being profitable, but for the reasons you listed it also stopped being fun. When you addd increased rates, crappy payout structures, smaller min payouts, optomizers and lineup sellers etc etc. It may not be just basketball but DFS as a whole that I’m done with. We’ll see how baseball goes.

  • BmoreClutch

    @Seahawktom said...

    I might be stating the obvious here, but you don’t always have to enter gigantic contests aiming for the huge payout. Don’t know how DraftKings and stuff are, but Yahoo has head-to-heads, single entries and 10-man contests galore that totally change the nature of the beast.

    Not to mention no veteran contests. It’s the perfect site for casual players. Yeah their payouts aren’t huge, but give me a realistic shot at taking down $1,000 in their biggest tournament over these pipe dream tournaments on DK and FD.

  • MandatoryKO

    Have they ever given an interview? I’m curious as to what the hell they are seeing that we don’t. I mean we research the same shit (dvp, lines, consistency, usage/minutes, with player and without player, etc).

  • stpelikan66

    A couple things i learned from last year’s NBA season to this years: after the All-Star Break, things change due to the trade deadlines and teams getting ready for a playoff push or playing for lottery position. I started to use only stats from Post All-Star Game and I cashed in more nights than not. I play on DK and Yahoo as FD was almost impossible to cash. But I also learned that when you can’t keep up with the late news, slow down and maybe step back and wait for the playoffs, when the “predictability” returns or for MLB to begin. I even started to play NASCAR to keep me busy. (Thanks to steveptfl and siege.)

    Finally you also have to accept that you won’t win every night. The guys on the podcasts and shows bring this up from time to time.

  • kb32dawgs

    @mellofellowsu said...

    It’s almost like the guys that finish high consistently are good at this.

    I hate to seem like the old fart that’s bitching about the entitled millennial but that’s what you seem like. Want a big reward without putting in the hard work.

    That’s utter bullshit! I put in my time everyday and still get owned everyday by the guys who can play 150x day in and day out. The whole DFS system is set up to favor the high rollers plain and simple.

  • kb32dawgs

    @btwice80 said...

    Yes, the gigantic, bigger-than-ever GPPs that fill every single day are surely a sign of DFS’ rapid descent.

    These numbers have dropped dramatically in the last year or so and the higher rake and higher entry fees prove that.

  • Cpjttogether

    Every dfs sport is super hard. Just harder at times for some then others i guess. The high rake in cash and the top heavy payout structure does seem to be devastating to even some really good players. Competition is tough and the math is not exactly great. but there is still lots of positives about dfs i hope it gets better. If i could win a gpp it would sure change my perspective but finishing 20th and 40th isnt gonna cut it. And playing great players h2h + a 10% rake isnt so easy either.I dont care what sport it is even fantasy curling.

  • ASalvaro

    @kb32dawgs said...

    I’m sure I’m not the only one sick and tried of the NBA equallying shitty night after shitty night of under performing soft players and late scratching for “rest”. I know variance is a big part of DFS in general but is anyone really winning anything significant other than the handful of players who can afford to play 150k in entries every night. I am officially done with NBA this season and may not come back to this sport in terms of DFS ever.

    I’m sure no one gives a shit about my rant but I imagine there are thousands out there just like me that see DFS going downhill at a very fast pace.

    Well if you think this is bad wait until baseball starts…It’s all random in dfs baseball lol

  • btwice80

    @kb32dawgs said...

    These numbers have dropped dramatically in the last year or so and the higher rake and higher entry fees prove that.

    No, the GPPs have not dropped dramatically.

  • emoney1214

    When you are losing it’s easy to complain and blame everyone else. Believe me, I have had huge ups and downs this year. I know this is beating a dead horse, but bankroll management is so important. I get too emotional to stick to it sometimes, so I have killed it and been killed by not using good bankroll management.

  • DirkDigglerz

    It’s easy all you have to do is ask

  • sonicattack

    Play a smaller percentage of your bankroll and play multipliers. Or play an even smaller percentage and play tournaments. Even with late scratches/etc, NBA is still more predictable than other sports and you might as well use the edge you have while the sport remains viable.

  • SkateFiend

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Basketball had been my most profitable sport for the years I’ve played DFS, but I stopped a couple months ago.

    I lost nearly my entire bankroll, while using proper management, during the end of the NFL season and NBA.

    Really it not only stopped being profitable, but for the reasons you listed it also stopped being fun. When you addd increased rates, crappy payout structures, smaller min payouts, optomizers and lineup sellers etc etc. It may not be just basketball but DFS as a whole that I’m done with. We’ll see how baseball goes.

    NBA is becoming less fun for me too. I tried a cash game only approach and it nearly wiped me out. It’s just frustrating to not win money because that one player inexplicably under performs for no reason at all. It happens a LOT with forwards.

    I’m still playing because I want to figure this out. I have a system that works in baseball. It’s not exactly a secret. I want to be better at NBA. But if the game isn’t fun, then I won’t play long term.

    I think NBA DFS might benefit with an expanded roster or some scoring changes.

  • CaldwellTylerusng94

    @Baldeagle46 said...

    Hard to enjoy losing money. You ever look at it that way? Mr Know it all👍

    I can tell you how NOT to lose money, Dont play DFS.

  • crazypaul

    I have been cashing (barely) consistently the last 2 weeks, but man has it been tough. Star players under performing across the board, late OUT announcements, young players getting more time and doing nothing with it… I think it’s time to take a break from NBA at least until the playoffs.

  • MarvG

    NBA is always the worst DFS sport. Late scratches, stars playing like scrubs in great matchups, scrubs playing like superstars for a night, heavily owned chalk, players resting, etc. Good thing MLB is starting soon and there is a lot of golf events coming up. MLB is my favorite DFS sport and I’m not even a baseball fan. I started watching MLB thanks to DFS.

  • joonyari22

    • Blogger of the Month

    If you are still playing your normal nightly volume this time of year in NBA, look dead in the mirror for your answer as to who is at fault for a -ROI

  • sangamc

    Funny, I have the exact same feelings about NFL dfs. I just can’t understand it even while destroying season long NFL ESPN leagues.

    But NBA dfs is the best. You have to make your own projections though.

    And thats not hard. Just learn R programming language and read a website buy a guy named quantifan and you will have 60% of the tools the top pro players use.

    the other 40% is making an effective player pool. for the contest you are trying to enter.

    My pool is designed to take down .25cent satellites in draftkings turbo and late. I spend about $2 on 4 to 8 LUs a night collecting tickets for a week. When I have 10 tickets I enter the $4 mega play or whatever the flavor is and turn my $20 weekly investment into about $80

  • Indycrocodile

    • Blogger of the Month

    For me, the most important part of research on today’s slate is finding out why I lost yesterday’s slate. I’m admittedly horrible at NBA, but there are lessons to be learned from finding out WHY a guy underperformed. If you continue to roster guys in similar situations, then you aren’t learning from your mistakes. Yes, there’s variance, but making educated guesses is always better than blindly guessing.

  • hobbes2d

    Too many people playing large entry tournaments expecting to win it all lol. Just by sheer probability your single bullet or 5 entries don’t have a great shot when the GPP has 110,000 possible lineup combinations. Chances are your lineups are too safe and doesn’t have the upside necessary to cash let alone take it down. For example last night’s winning LU in the 600 K Jab Step had KJ McDaniels, who was min priced and owned at less than 1%. Dude put up 33.5 points That LU won by 8 points over the 2nd placed LU. Those are the types of plays that take these things down. You just have to do the research or take a chance on that low priced punt that probably nobody is playing. Like the day Tony Snell went off a few weeks ago.

  • KindGuy

    @hobbes2d said...

    Too many people playing large entry tournaments expecting to win it all lol

    Exactly. I’d guess that most of the folks bitching and complaining play almost exclusively large scale GPPS. News flash: You’re probably never going to take one down. And don’t even think about trying to cash consistently.

  • Baldeagle46

    Fact👍 I don’t mind losing. Well I do but I’m trying to figure this shit out. I only play 50$ a night. I’ve played all season and just now starting to put together some decent lus. If I could put them in and leave them alone. I’m switching guys around all day til lock. I’ve had the luxury all winter of tinkering with lus all day but that’s coming to a end. I’m in the asphalt business and its time for me to get that shovel in hand and start piling up change for next season as my play money has all but disappeared. Thank you guys for sharing. I signed up at the tail end of this thing. My info is not worth sharing on most nights. My info comes from whatever I can Google up on my phone. Again thanks men.

  • Baldeagle46

    Sorry I still don’t know what I’m doing. I thought i sent that somewhere else. Still applies to everyone.

  • Sgtorion23

    Yes, its frustrating. Always trying to find a better process as everyone talks about. Seems this process is the Holy Grail you have to find it for everlasting joy. Just making bad choices for almost 2 years. SINGLE ENTRY is the best to play, as btwice80 says to give yourself a little edge. My problem is I’m still having a hell of a time getting 300 – 370 to get in the money. But, for a dollar or two its still fun to do. Being a senior and still working there’s not a lot of time so reading postings is good stuff to learn.

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