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  • whodat2

    When: March 7-10

    Where: Orlando, Fla

    Course: Bay Hill Club and Lodge | A par 72 playing at 7419 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Rory McIlroy at -18

    Last Year’s Cut: +1

    Coverage: PGATourLive | Golf Channel | NBC

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  • Gathon11

    @blue said...

    The part I can’t stand is when he’s 14 shots back at the masters and they still show every one of his shots.

    Because that’s what the majority of fans want to see even if he’s not in contention. And they really didn’t show the majority of his shots last year, except the final round where he made a run to get back to even par. If they don’t show what the majority of the fans want to see, that’s bad business. Even if it is annoying to some.

  • manoffewwords

    @blue said...

    The part I can’t stand is when he’s 14 shots back at the masters and they still show every one of his shots.

    Odds Tiger in featured groups all week on pga live.

  • bigez952

    @Gathon11 said...

    Because that’s what the majority of fans want to see even if he’s not in contention. And they really didn’t show the majority of his shots last year, except the final round where he made a run to get back to even par. If they don’t show what the majority of the fans want to see, that’s bad business. Even if it is annoying to some.

    The networks do a great job of making decisions that are bad for business. Like when Rickie Folwer (supposedly a super popular player to the casual fan) has a chip on 18 to potentially win the golf tournament and they don’t even show it. It was shown only on TV on mute via the garbage “playing through” feature so it blocked out all fans streaming it.

    To me stuff like that is bad business and makes me question if they even know what is good business in terms of what shots should be shown or not.

  • HunkerToe

    @Gathon11 said...

    Because that’s what the majority of fans want to see even if he’s not in contention. And they really didn’t show the majority of his shots last year, except the final round where he made a run to get back to even par. If they don’t show what the majority of the fans want to see, that’s bad business. Even if it is annoying to some.

    Oh I understand why they do it. It just sucks. They’re not catering to the gambling degens on this site unfortunately.

    Tiger is playing well right now so if he’s near the lead its not a big deal. Where I start to lose my mind is when they show shot’s of Tiger warming up, walking to the first tee, standing in the middle of the fairway waiting his turn, etc. For fans of the game of golf (as opposed to just Tiger fans), this is not at all why we’re watching. There are so many good young players right now that it doesn’t need to be Tiger 24/7.

  • HunkerToe

    @bigez952 said...

    The networks do a great job of making decisions that are bad for business. Like when Rickie Folwer (supposedly a super popular player to the casual fan) has a chip on 18 to potentially win the golf tournament and they don’t even show it. It was shown only on TV on mute via the garbage “playing through” feature so it blocked out all fans streaming it.

    To me stuff like that is bad business and makes me question if they even know what is good business in terms of what shots should be shown or not.

    Yeah that was a very odd time for a commercial break.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @jaguar21 said...

    Lots of snow here in Boston. Great day for salaries to come out early. But no way the DraftKings guys are in on time with the weather.

    The city itself is fine though – I work about two blocks from their offices and live nearby too. Roads are clear, sidewalks are clear – although slushy. If a lot of them live “in” the city (Cambridge, Somerville, Southie, etc) then they could easily be home-to-office as normal (or a little late b/c of the T) – plus everything is cloud based so remote or in-office should be the same either way.

  • ButBongoFiesta

    Last year, after the first 6 holes Justin Rose was +4 and I was doing fist pumps that I faded him. Hours later he finished -3 and ended up finishing 3rd at -14. Also remember Fleetwood and Moli struggled and barely made the cut. I think I’ll be heavy on Bryson this week even if he’s gonna be a popular pick.

  • DFSx42

    I wrote up my recap on the Honda here, will also post my player pool for this event here as well once I start putting it together. https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/pga-no-frills-dfs-data-honda-classic-recap-discussion-of-golf-metrics-2945909

  • Cdavis21

    Question for you guys who play GPPs on DK. I have been have recent success only playing single entries but thinking of dabbing in say the $44 dollar big tourney. Is there generally a lot of people with the same lineups in the top spots? I love single entries because variance doesn’t play such a big role in it but obviously a 100k payout would be nice

  • Pbasniper

    @Cdavis21 said...

    Question for you guys who play GPPs on DK. I have been have recent success only playing single entries but thinking of dabbing in say the $44 dollar big tourney. Is there generally a lot of people with the same lineups in the top spots? I love single entries because variance doesn’t play such a big role in it but obviously a 100k payout would be nice

    There were no duplicate lineups in top 10 last 2 weeks, not sure if your worry is collusion or lineup sellers etc. but most of that will be in double up events honestly.

  • Cdavis21

    I’m more worried about just having the same lineup as 100s of people and if by some miracle i take 1st and have to split 100k with that many dang people lol

  • ValuableTrader

    @DFSx42 said...

    I wrote up my recap on the Honda here, will also post my player pool for this event here as well once I start putting it together. https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/pga-no-frills-dfs-data-honda-classic-recap-discussion-of-golf-metrics-2945909

    Good stuff, thx for sharing

  • smallANDflaccid

    @Cdavis21 said...

    I’m more worried about just having the same lineup as 100s of people and if by some miracle i take 1st and have to split 100k with that many dang people lol

    File that under problems you should want to have.

  • DFSx42

    @Cdavis21 said...

    I love single entries because variance doesn’t play such a big role

    Can you please elaborate, I’ve always felt the opposite. I’m curious if we’re defining terms differently or if there’s another manner I could be viewing things.

    I feel that in multi entry you are less likely to have an all or nothing outcome and thus reduce your variance. If you narrow down a player pool that’s mostly good, you can still wind up with disaster in single entry if you end up deciding upon just 2 bad choices.

  • nicholasmarsh

    @DFSx42 said...

    I wrote up my recap on the Honda here, will also post my player pool for this event here as well once I start putting it together. https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/pga-no-frills-dfs-data-honda-classic-recap-discussion-of-golf-metrics-2945909

    Good stuff, man. Thoughtful insight… This is why I call my OWGR model Ouroboros – DFSx42

  • Cdavis21

    Basically, what I have noticed with single entries is I have never had someone with the exact same lineup as me for one but also that cashing is determined by two things. One is if you make 6/6 players who make the cut you are guaranteed to cash. Two is if you get 4 to 5/6 and have the winner of that tourney in your lineup then you will cash. Also, having a player that is 30% owned in cash games isn’t near as big of an issue as it is in tournaments. In tournaments the rest of your lineup better have low owned players in it but with cash if you have multiple players with 20-30 percent ownership it won’t kill you. Not sure if this answers your question or not.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @Cdavis21 said...

    you are guaranteed to cash

    Careful, small sample sizes are small.

  • Kp24

    @DFSx42 said...

    I wrote up my recap on the Honda here, will also post my player pool for this event here as well once I start putting it together. https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/pga-no-frills-dfs-data-honda-classic-recap-discussion-of-golf-metrics-2945909

    Very intrigued to see the top 100 in the Ouroboros tbh

  • manoffewwords

    Woods priced higher than Fowler and Koepka on FD. Please.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @DFSx42 said...

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/pga-no-frills-dfs-data-honda-classic-recap-discussion-of-golf-metrics-2945909

    I think your statements are SG are incorrect – particularly in your reading that they have stopped using it all just because they are no longer offering a program for academic research with the data. (even then, they had to approve your research, and they had a clause saying you had to destroy the data after holding it for a short period of time)

    MLB sees that their fan base loves data and for the most part doesn’t hide it from their fans in an effort to make money off of it.
    PGA does not follow that same line of reasoning. That is why you are not finding easy access to it – not that it is a flawed metric.

    Also the after the fact stat of SG is only partially correct – as you said, maybe you will change your mind after reading Broadie’s book.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @smallANDflaccid said...

    reading Broadie’s book

    I haven’t yet read his book, but I have read every paper of his that I can find and variations on that theme, and other write-ups.

    I was skeptical of it and over time have seen where I was wrong – or at least not right.

    That isn’t to say that there isn’t some other new way to look at stuff.

  • mitchsnyderdfw

    @Cdavis21 said...

    Basically, what I have noticed with single entries is I have never had someone with the exact same lineup as me for one but also that cashing is determined by two things. One is if you make 6/6 players who make the cut you are guaranteed to cash. Two is if you get 4 to 5/6 and have the winner of that tourney in your lineup then you will cash. Also, having a player that is 30% owned in cash games isn’t near as big of an issue as it is in tournaments. In tournaments the rest of your lineup better have low owned players in it but with cash if you have multiple players with 20-30 percent ownership it won’t kill you. Not sure if this answers your question or not.

    I had a 6/6 this week in the $5, didn’t come close to cashing. All the guys ended T30 or worse.

  • cowbell204

    Snedeker 7,200. Yes please.

  • klyon28

    Was gonna take a break this week but the only way to break out of a slump is to keep playing. Tiger at 11k. Thank god. Now I have no thought to play him and I’m not forced to play him like I usually am.

  • Pbasniper

    We got prices everybody!! Biggest surprise is Gamez is $6100 and not $6000!!!

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