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  • papa123

    I do not mean to offend anyone in this post. If you get offended GFY (good for you)

    What is the point of putting in hours of research per day if your gonna end up hoping to win 4 dollars?

    I personally can’t understand how unless you are doing it for pure fun. I don’t understand putting in hours and hours of your time on genuinely wanting to win enough to get half a hot dog.

    Does anyone disagree with me?
    There is no way I’m gonna sit at my computer for hours unless I have an oppurtunity to win enough money to change my life, and if cash games win only, enough where I can get 1-2k

    I only play on DK, fwiw

    If anyone has any thoughts on this please share

  • theoddsmaker

    This is all personal preference. No one is forcing anyone to play DFS let alone force anyone to do hours upon hours of research if they do. If someone finds research fun, they should do it all they want if it doesn’t negatively interfere with things such as job/family. If it’s a grueling process in order to just have one $2 squeeze entry..it’s probably a waste of time if you are playing DFS to try to be making enough to earn a living off of DFS full time.

  • smutpeddlers

    People also do it as a hobby so the pain staking work is not pain staking but fun.

  • Clovenhoof

    I remember the sheer thrill that I felt when, poring over raw hockey stats, I realized that nearly all pro hockey players throughout history hit their offensive peak at age 25/26.

    There was no money in that kind of discovery back then. Now, to find stuff like that, and to be able to make (literally) a buck? That’s pretty cool.

  • rickmeseke

    i do it for fun.

    i have health issues which prohibit me from being out for a long time, so bowling, movies, dinner, beach, etc etc are all out of the question for me, i’ve cut back of my drinking tremendously, so i really enjoy researching, learning, and watching games that can potentially earn me $, its fun for me. $20 a week is all i do generally and i really like it

  • shockermandan

    I think for most it’s not about the $, it’s about the puzzle and the competition.

  • kamuy

    @papa123 said...

    What is the point of putting in hours of research per day if your gonna end up hoping to win 4 dollars?

    Kind of blows my mind how much time I hear of some putting in on research. Baseball has so much variance, it really takes about 5 mins to figure out which pitchers to pick and target, and then its looking at lineups and constructing for 15 mins. Just put yourself in a good position and its all you can ask for in baseball.

  • eKing

    I agree with Kamuy about the time. In the beginning, it’s good to make a sheet to become familiar with the player pool. After the training wheels came off, I realized my educated quick picks to studied picks fared about the same. Actually, you could argue the less you know is better, because the picks that make sense could easily go 0.25 FD. On many nights, you’ll see players in a GPP winning team that no projections, stats, history or bias could determine (hence why they’re low owned).

    On the flip side, I hate to lose, whether it’s $10, $100 or $1000, the pain is relatively the same. lol

  • nymjjb

    baseball and hockey can be played with zero research-don’t play nba that way though

  • kamuy

    @nymjjb said...

    baseball and hockey can be played with zero research-don’t play nba that way though

    That’s why I got away from NBA. I find research in the NBA to be slightly more involved than in baseball, but the key difference is in NBA its all about calculating value up to the minute of tipoff with injuries and the dreaded flu. I never know if I’ll be around a computer at tip so I just gave up on following it closely enough to put money on the line.

  • cAUmberlandtiger8

    @shockermandan said...

    I think for most it’s not about the $, it’s about the puzzle and the competition.

    I agree with this

  • yanks237

    I am a college student and use some of my free time to do my research and make my picks. I spend about 2-3 hours a day on the days I play. Not only do I enjoy the process but its fun having some form of money on the line for the games. I play a whopping $4 a day but it doesn’t get in the way of my social life or school work. And when I need time to go out or enjoy the weekend, I simply don’t play or I construct a lineup in 10 mins on my phone. Overall its just a fun, harmless hobby, at least at my price points. And if some day I hit a big GPP or I find a good cash rate and I can begin to invest more and hopefully make a living off this, that is always part of the “dream”.

  • McGibblets84

    @shockermandan said...

    I think for most it’s not about the $, it’s about the puzzle and the competition.

    +1

  • jockpostdt

    @papa123 said...

    I do not mean to offend anyone in this post. If you get offended GFY (good for you)

    What is the point of putting in hours of research per day if your gonna end up hoping to win 4 dollars?

    I personally can’t understand how unless you are doing it for pure fun. I don’t understand putting in hours and hours of your time on genuinely wanting to win enough to get half a hot dog.

    Does anyone disagree with me?
    There is no way I’m gonna sit at my computer for hours unless I have an oppurtunity to win enough money to change my life, and if cash games win only, enough where I can get 1-2k

    I only play on DK, fwiw

    If anyone has any thoughts on this please share

    I think it varies for everyone.

    For me personally, I truly enjoy the nuances of DFS baseball. I travel quite a bit for work, so on most flights the fact that I can download Dan/Gabey’s Podcast (and a few other non-RG pods) makes the trip much more enjoyable.

    Last week I flew from Cleveland to San Francisco and spent the entire 4 hour flight listening to Podcasts, researching the slate, and building DFS lineups. I had about $30 in play.

    For me, it isn’t about the money. It’s about making a sport that I already enjoy significantly more enjoyable.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    trying to go for the big score/life changing money is a sure fire way to have to redeposit and redeposit and redeposit.

    I played season long for years without ever putting a dime in and without ever getting anything back monetarily from it. did I think the time I spent doing that was “wasted”? absolutely not. the only reason i don’t play season long anymore is because i prefer the “Start over” aspect of daily fantasy. playing for money is just an added benefit.

  • terrymandangle

    I like to play

  • srolleDFS

    no disrespect at all intended…

    the reasoning in ur post are similar to the reasons im not a world class painter (yet). i dont like painting it at all. so im really horrible at it. so no would would pay more than $2 or $4 for my paintings. which is DEFINITELY not worth my time. so i dont ever paint, and no one seems to really mind.

  • 70sdubs

    i don’t put in hours every day but i do find it fun. as a kid i was always looking thru my baseball encyclopedia and when i first got the internet i was on baseball reference all the time before almost anybody knew what br was.i can even remember going over the redsox 1918 box scores game by game when they were finally all up (initially br didnt have up older box scores) mocking the manager for often hitting babe ruth at the bottom of their lineup.overall im still down a little but for the most part i find it fun.

    if it was purely for money i would play a hell of a lot more poker.but i find poker boring these days (at least hold em) If at some point i start having much better results with dfs ill sink more time into it and play much higher stakes.
    what’s funny is that if i sat down at a 1/2 nl table i couldnt even take it seriously. but when entering a few lineups with 50-100 dollars in play i can go back and forth agonizing over my (often wrong) decisions.

    now there are days i just dont have the time for any research so i either won’t play at all or maybe ill just enter 3-4 3 dollar lineups with lazy stacks on dk on my phone in 5 mins.

  • dude_abides7

    @papa123 said...

    I personally can’t understand how unless you are doing it for pure fun.

    Bingo. That may be it. People read books and watch 20 hours of TV a week as their choice of a leisure activity or spend half their life at the gym.The fact that they are only betting a few bucks I think is more a sign it’s “not about the money” for them as supposed to not having the personal bankroll to bet more and thus, not wasting their time as you infer.

    Also, it is a well advised strategy for new DFS players to learn the ropes before they start to roll heavy. It makes perfect sense to hang out on the $1-2 tier for a season, fine tuning a winning strategy, before you take that next step financially.

  • deebarizo

    To figure out if I am a profitable player or not and to understand the game better.

    Big double ups or 50/50s are the best way to determine your skill imo. If you can be profitable in those games for an extended period of time, you can probably crush GPPs.

    That’s been my experience.

    I started out as a cash game only player in NBA about a year and a half ago. I played $20 a day.

    I tried GPPs first when I played MLB for the first time seriously this season. I got lucky with a big GPP win but I went back to mostly playing cash games to better gauge my skill and to understand the game better. I did that for around 25 days, had a solid ROI, learned a lot, and then went back to GPPs only.

    Nowadays, I only play GPPs but I think you learn a lot more playing cash games because the higher variance in GPPs distorts your skill level. That said, GPPs (especially the big ones) are much more profitable than cash games so once you beat cash games for an extended period of time, you should transition to GPPs.

  • MrFantasy

    @papa123 said...

    Does anyone disagree with me?
    There is no way I’m gonna sit at my computer for hours unless I have an oppurtunity to win enough money to change my life, and if cash games win only, enough where I can get 1-2k

    Why do you assume people are hoping to win $4? It’s also silly to say that research is only worthwhile if you are going to win life changing money. While many of us might not win “life changing” money, we are able to create a solid income stream thanks to our research and know-how.

    People play for fun, and or to make money. Whether they do any research or not is up to them. I use models and projections and my only true research that I do is check weather updates during MLB, last minute scratches for NBA etc. Much of my time is spent on lineup construction.

    Why do you play DFS?

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @hambazaza said...

    trying to go for the big score/life changing money is a sure fire way to have to redeposit and redeposit and redeposit.

    I played season long for years without ever putting a dime in and without ever getting anything back monetarily from it. did I think the time I spent doing that was “wasted”? absolutely not. the only reason i don’t play season long anymore is because i prefer the “Start over” aspect of daily fantasy. playing for money is just an added benefit.

    I used to do $25-$50 seasonal leagues and I’d spend just as much time on it as I currently do for DFS. I don’t know about you guys, but I loved staring at my teams for no apparent reason. And of course, the waiver wire and seeking trades was time consuming fun too.

    edit: just before dfs, I used to spend countless hours a day reading/studying/playing video games which you know, made me exactly zero dollars and zero cents.

  • dakimbell

    I only play high stakes GPP’s on DFS for the most part (got lucky and won a big GPP early on), but I also do spend an equal amount of time in my year long NFL fantasy league, where all we get is a silly trophy, researching, second-guessing, and kicking myself after the fact. I think it is the competitive nature of it combined with a love of sports that makes it fun and exciting regardless of monetary gain.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    where have you read about those researching hours a day hoping to.win 4.00?
    I find that absurd.

  • billsfan777

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    I think that OP raises a valid point. If you are spending hours upon hours and then playing 5$ worth and it is interfering with your life in other aspects, then it is a negative hobby. However, you can say the same thing about anything. Why do I go and shoot a basketball around for 3 hours at a time? I’m obviously not going to be making money to play basketball, but it’s the same principle. People want to practice and improve, and play at whatever stakes they are comfortable. For some people that is 5$ and for others that is 500$, and for some it’s 5000$. If it’s a fun hobby that doesn’t interfere with more important aspects of your life worth more than the 5$ you hope to win, then I see no problem with it.

  • depalma13

    To me, the research is more exciting than the games. It’s all about cracking a hidden code, a modern day treasure hunt.

    Granted I don’t hope to win $2 on a $2 bet, but I will take it everyday.

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