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  • Mphst18

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/assanifisher-vlog-edition-15-1451276?utm_content=bufferb46ce&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    IMO one of his better ones with just a few remarks:

    All H2H and three mans should be randomized

    There is clear distinction between talking with friends socially and having the same lineup as each other every night. I get it guys like aejones/kunu/wzdrich/therobob/Daut/mir are your friends or people who through their suggestions or plays have helped you become a better player and or win large sums of money so you want to just lump it all in as social talk with friends to protect/ignore what goes beyond socia talk with friends.

    This narrative you always raise that it’s incredibly difficult for the sites is not a strong one IMO. Lots of things in life are incredibly difficult but people don’t just ignore them and look the other way they challenge themselves to overcome obstacles and challenges to better themselves.

    Ignoring the problem of collusion which is their current MO obviously isn’t curbing anything and rather encouraging it to continue and grow.

    Enforcing thier TOS that we agreed to as players in order to play on the site would curb the behavior much more and let those who want to risk trying to toe the line face the consequences. (A few overlaps won’t hide what goes on, the Daut/Mir. Example is a simple one where even if they had 5 overlaps it was obvious they purposefly burned seperate amounts of salary with the same core players to not have overlap but had Daut overlapped 5 the strategy still was easy to detect along with their team knowledge)

    However right now there are no consequences if you provide enough rake so there isn’t even a line to toe its do as you please for some but not all.

    If individuals wanted to below you could see a list of people who the site chose to enact some rule against and my assumption here without seeing the data is you are going to only see people with low rake/ low volume totals to the site who did something that had a financial impact on the site not the other players or were multi accounting. In its most obvious form but is no differerent then team multiaccointing.

  • Mphst18

    Also if you could elaborate on “your hands are tied with fan duel and draft kings”

    Are you still receiving rake back if play is over a certain volume?

  • awesemo

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    Making head to heads and 3 men games randomized would definitely decrease the edge and I think some people might stop playing them because of the rake. I’m not sure that it would be great for the player to make all of the games randomized with this in mind.

    I think that it could be cool if there was like a head to head pool with random pairing at lock, in addition to being able to post and take people’s games, though.

  • Heterodox

    Are the majority of posted H2Hs from sharks/pros/whatever? Seems like randomizing would just make it that much more likely you get matched up with someone who has an edge over you, only now you have no say in it.

    Video games do matchmaking, I don’t see why it would be so hard, the sites know who wins and who doesn’t. I fire up a game of MLB and the first thing it does is try to match me with someone within reasonable range of my skill level. I’m not even sure a video game costs more, though it’s hard to compare, but I’m sure the response would be that matchmaking capabilities would require resources and add to the rake.

    As for Assani, maybe I’ll check out his vlog, though I usually skip them, because his approach is always the same. Oily, disingenuous, plausible-sounding but misleading (often to an insulting degree) arguments/spin that gloss over the fact that the people he’s talking about are not your work buddies, or college pals who you play a season long league with or do pools with or use the same bookie as. They’re hardened pros, doing this for money. When you talk about pros and you act as though they’re in it for the same enjoyment as everyone else, and you leave out the part where it’s actually their job, you’re not being honest. They may well enjoy DFS as much as anyone, but by definition a professional has different motives, different reasoning, different tactics than an ordinary player, and they operate on a completely different scale. It’s not even close to the same thing, and the attempt to disguise the activities of one group with what the other does is underhanded.

  • jhorst52

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    @awesemo said...

    Making head to heads and 3 men games randomized would definitely decrease the edge and I think some people might stop playing them because of the rake. I’m not sure that it would be great for the player to make all of the games randomized with this in mind.

    I think that it could be cool if there was like a head to head pool with random pairing at lock, in addition to being able to post and take people’s games, though.

    +1

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    my plus one was quoting awesemo but for some reason is not showing. wanted to make that clear

  • bigcrip

    assani is the guy who still snatches up $1 H2hs

    cant take him seriously

  • Mphst18

    @Heterodox said...

    Are the majority of posted H2Hs from sharks/pros/whatever? Seems like randomizing would just make it that much more likely you get matched up with someone who has an edge over you, only now you have no say in it.

    Video games do matchmaking, I don’t see why it would be so hard, the sites know who wins and who doesn’t. I fire up a game of MLB and the first thing it does is try to match me with someone within reasonable range of my skill level. I’m not even sure a video game costs more, though it’s hard to compare, but I’m sure the response would be that matchmaking capabilities would require resources and add to the rake.

    As for Assani, maybe I’ll check out his vlog, though I usually skip them, because his approach is always the same. Oily, disingenuous, plausible-sounding but misleading (often to an insulting degree) arguments/spin that gloss over the fact that the people he’s talking about are not your work buddies, or college pals who you play a season long league with or do pools with or use the same bookie as. They’re hardened pros, doing this for money. When you talk about pros and you act as though they’re in it for the same enjoyment as everyone else, and you leave out the part where it’s actually their job, you’re not being honest. They may well enjoy DFS as much as anyone, but by definition a professional has different motives, different reasoning, different tactics than an ordinary player, and they operate on a completely different scale. It’s not even close to the same thing, and the attempt to disguise the activities of one group with what the other does is underhanded.

    Don’t get me wrong it’s still the usual everything is to difficult for the sites to do so just keep stalling so my friends can keep doing it.

  • rainbowtroutman

    I wish we could put Assani on with Bill O’Reiily and the no spin zone and watch the vlog

  • yogaflame

    @awesemo said...

    Making head to heads and 3 men games randomized would definitely decrease the edge and I think some people might stop playing them because of the rake.

    Or you could try building a better lineup.

  • Tammy409

    @Heterodox said...

    As for Assani, maybe I’ll check out his vlog, though I usually skip them, because his approach is always the same. Oily, disingenuous,

    Too Funny and Spot-On… Thanks for making me laugh this early morn ;’].

  • osuryanf

    @yogaflame said...

    Or you could try building a better lineup.

    ….lol….

    I don’t think Awesomo has had much of a problem building good lineups.

  • fallfromgrace

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    @awesemo said...

    Making head to heads and 3 men games randomized would definitely decrease the edge and I think some people might stop playing them because of the rake. I’m not sure that it would be great for the player to make all of the games randomized with this in mind.

    I think that it could be cool if there was like a head to head pool with random pairing at lock, in addition to being able to post and take people’s games, though.

    +1

    I agree it would decrease edge. Rake would need a reduction if the sites moved to such a system.

    Then again, they also thought it made sense to up the rake in double ups, so what do I know.

  • Mphst18

    Maybe just randomize micro stakes then.

    It decreases the edge for the minority not the majority who are the ones on the wrong side of the edge.

    So if randomizong means it drives away those who only play to have an edge on beginners then randomize away and let those who still want to select do it high stakes.

  • TwoSHAE

    @Mphst18 said...

    Are you still receiving rake back if play is over a certain volume?

    Is there confirmed proof that this was ever the case? If so, can you please show me?

  • ocdobv

    @Mphst18 said...

    Maybe just randomize micro stakes then.

    It decreases the edge for the minority not the majority who are the ones on the wrong side of the edge.

    So if randomizong means it drives away those who only play to have an edge on beginners then randomize away and let those who still want to select do it high stakes.

    Agree. I’d love to be able to just enter x times into a random $y 3-man pool. I rarely play these contests today because I don’t really like to spend time selecting opponents and if you just do “+1” to all the open contests, then you won’t get a very random set of opponents. You’ll often be getting someone else doing the same in a lot of your contests. If it could be programmed so that you can limit opponents to a certain # of matches, like you can you make heads up matches, that’d be nice as well. The more variety of opponents, the better.

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