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  • tdice77

    These clowns run out the same lineup (or close variation thereof) in every single middle to high stakes MLB cash game. They are either the same player entering under two accounts or two players colluding. They are in clear violation of the Yahoo! Fair Play policy. I have sent numerous emails to the “abuse” contact email but have only received genetic responses. You have collusive players sitting in your high cash games, check the record. Both accounts should be banned.

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  • awesemo

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    It’s a bad strategy for good players to use the same lineup in a double up, not cheating. It might be annoying, but why do you feel that warrants a ban?

  • g_nagy

    I think your best bet is to hope one of Yahoo’s moderators (Daniel Haight) shows up on this thread. I really enjoy playing on there too, especially because of their fun pricing system

  • Faucher

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    They could just be friends that conduct research together and thus come to similar lineups. I’ve discussed strategy daily with a couple friends and at times we come close to the same lineup. I do not come to the same conclusion that you do on this.

  • jimmyquinella

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    If they spent 6 months and entered all inactive players in the lineups and lost %100 percent of the time, would you still ask for the ban?

  • DanielHaight

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    Hey guys—thanks for raising this. I was notified via twitter by another user of the exact same issue, and investigated over the weekend. The two suspected colluders are two different people, and I am confident they are not in fact colluding or even talking to each other. I reached out to and have spoken with both users. My suspicion is that they are using the same research/optimizers and thus arrive at the same lineup from time to time. Having a relatively small user base, these issues are more obvious on our site compared to our competitors.

    @tdice77—not sure why your emails were never escalated to me (I am the product lead), but we are going to review the process and make sure there is better communication moving forward. You can always reach me here or on twitter (at: danielhaight) for direct issues.

  • thedude404

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    @DanielHaight said...

    Hey guys—thanks for raising this. I was notified via twitter by another user of the exact same issue, and investigated over the weekend. The two suspected colluders are two different people, and I am confident they are not in fact colluding or even talking to each other. I reached out to and have spoken with both users. My suspicion is that they are using the same research/optimizers and thus arrive at the same lineup from time to time. Having a relatively small user base, these issues are more obvious on our site compared to our competitors.

    tdice77--not sure why your emails were never escalated to me (I am the product lead), but we are going to review the process and make sure there is better communication moving forward. You can always reach me here or on twitter (danielhaight) for direct issues.

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  • tdice77

    Daniel,

    Thanks for your reply and your due diligence on this. I ask though that you remain vigilant on these two accounts as I have seen duplicate (or near so) lineups on many occasions. I understand this could be a result of optimizers but have seen it so much, even on big slates with some non conventional / non chalk plays that I remain suspicious. Not good when 2 players in a 6 man 530$ 50/50 (or other smaller entrant contests) often show up with the same lineup.

  • noddy

    tdice

    You only have to beat one lineup instead of two.

  • moklovin

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    First, I’d like to give Daniel credit for his prompt action as I received an e-mail last week regarding this concern. I wasn’t aware that the concerns stemmed from these forums until I ran across this while browsing.

    As I’ve explained to Daniel, I do not keep in contact with any other Yahoo users and would not ever consider sharing lineups with another party. Given Yahoo’s game selection at the higher stakes (there’s only one 50/50 per day at the $1K/$500 with 6 seats), sharing my lineups with even one person would negatively affect my EV beyond any perceivable gain.

    I have seen Tom K and others often wind up with the exact same lineups, and don’t find this surprising one bit as there are often exploitable price points at certain positions that lead to the same roster construction and optimizers will spit out the SPs and OFs in the same order. As Daniel mentioned, this is a common theme at FD and DK as well, it just doesn’t stick out as much due to the larger volume of users.

  • OsRitmos

    And they have to beat a fewer number of lineups as well. Two way street with this type of behavior. I think it should be penalized, especially if it’s against the site terms.

  • tdice77

    And this was mentioned I have noted no Tom K in high stakes. Just an observation. Good luck all.

  • moklovin

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    Great work, Detective. Perhaps if you spent half as much time on your own lineups as you do others’, you wouldn’t have to resort to witch hunting and miring others’ names without substantiation. Just an observation.

  • nwander05

    Ohhh theres Moklovin! I play against you all the time in these MLB PGA qualifiers.

  • DRTYBRD0027

    I’ve been playing draftkings for a couple of years now, and have become aware of an issue with this moklovin profile… I kid you not, it doesn’t matter what league I get in, how many, or what sport, or for how much money… This profile has a running lineup in EVERY single one of them… I have tested this more than a couple of times, getting in more contests than I probably should… No exeptions… 98% of them come up late, and finish in the money… Many times bumping me just out…
    I am nearly convinced that It is a dummy profile, used by draftkings to minimize actual payout… Squanto401k is also nearly always in the payout… Just seems ridiculously improbable…

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  • KDeStefanoJ

    MokLovin is what we in the DFS world cqll a “shark” he has the money to mass enter every tourny that he wants to so compare that to one of us who might play 5 lineups with a 150 max his odds of winning are 30X’s greater than ours its simple math….if he mass enters 150 line ups like he did last night in the $8 dk tourny he spent $1200 in entry fees and wins the tourny which he did (but split it with 4 others) he won over 19k including his other winning lineups on the tourny that werent in 1st place but still cashed…..IT IS WHAT IT IS…..Just means we need to reaearch more and get our bankrolls up to be able to enter more…..the sharks and big timers may make it harder to win but they also help keep the sites running with how much they spend…..I like them they make me try harder

  • Muleyhaven

    Moklovin is a great player. You can’t just single out the top players and accuse them of cheating. I only get to block three people from taking my head to heads and he is one of them. Gotta give mad respect to anyone that can do this for a living. If you don’t want to go up against 150 pro lineups then play single entry. If not, then put in the work or pay up for a projection model…

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  • Nygiants219

    lol @ the crybabies

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