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  • tuukkatime1989

    I’ll would love to be able to play in one $50 h2h or 3 man nhl game without pros snatching it up instantly. I wish there was a better level system

  • yountingly

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    Are there a lot of non pros playing at that level?

  • tuukkatime1989

    I cant find them. The pros scoop them up so quick I have no chance

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    So why don’t you do the scooping, rather than putting your games out there for anyone to snatch up? Easy enough to pick out a H2H of your own choosing or the last slot in a 3 man with people whose name you don’t recognize. If you are just putting your games out there, you are fair game for whoever wants to play you.

  • internetfamous

    The only way to really dodge them is just to hunt the games that don’t have them in them, which in itself is hard…

    It’s a topic that’s been debated a million times already, but its still beyond me how the sharks with max entries into the 555 NBA are still allowed to join the $1 double ups, and why DK still allows the lineup sharers like AEJONES and Co to play in all the same games. But yeah only thing you can do is just look thru every lobby and pick and choose what you want to do.

  • SA16

    I’ll play

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @internetfamous said...

    The only way to really dodge them is just to hunt the games that don’t have them in them, which in itself is hard…

    It’s a topic that’s been debated a million times already, but its still beyond me how the sharks with max entries into the 555 NBA are still allowed to join the $1 double ups, and why DK still allows the lineup sharers like AEJONES and Co to play in all the same games. But yeah only thing you can do is just look thru every lobby and pick and choose what you want to do.

    Both sites limit the power users from low limit games

    https://newsroom.fanduel.com/2017/09/15/fanduel-announces-pocket-change-contests-new-restrictions-for-experienced-players/

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dk-new-entry-limits-2003617

  • tuukkatime1989

    @SA16 said...

    I’ll play

    don’t worry. I’ve blocked you already

  • monaco712

    Testosterown has been playing $1 contest on fantasydraft .
    I have been asking DK to run some large 50/50s which
    limit the exposure to them but they have refused.
    They have some but will not guarantee them so nobody enters.
    I had 10 contest cancelled last week.
    Stay away from 4 and 10 player contest you will
    be swimming with the sharks. ( NHL)

  • internetfamous

    @britdevine said...

    Both sites limit the power users from low limit games

    https://newsroom.fanduel.com/2017/09/15/fanduel-announces-pocket-change-contests-new-restrictions-for-experienced-players/

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dk-new-entry-limits-2003617

    That’s good and all, I knew about that…

    I guess more of what im getting at is im a mid range player, I dodge who I have to dodge and try to just play the games that have bigger entrant #s for the double ups and 50/50s that are single entry, cuz sure as shit if I play the 5$ multi entry double up youdaco will have his 100 entries in it no worries. I can’t hate on him for it, god bless him and everyone else who do it cuz they’re perfectly allowed, its just ironic how many people share the same lineups as alot of the sharkies in my 25$ games and below. I follow the top players lineups, I like to learn and see what im missing, and id be lying to the both of us if I said that the top players lineups are carbon copied in so many games below the $5 mark that they aren’t “allowed” to play. Its almost taking me back to poker when ghosting was seriously an insane issue.

    Like I said I do what I have to do to dodge the games I feel I need to dodge, but for newer-ish players who don’t know better…..

  • mambaland

    csu and hoops in all double ups on FD with same lineup…shame owner of a optimizer site has to go after $2 fish money

  • joeycis

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    @mambaland said...

    csu and hoops in all double ups on FD with same lineup…shame owner of a optimizer site has to go after $2 fish money

    I think at this point there is no sense in getting frustrated about this anymore. The sites have made it abundantly clear that the lineup sharing issue is a non-issue to them or just too rampant to police. When you consider the fiasco that was happening towards the end of MLB with the noted lineup seller and the abundance of pros that are obviously sharing lineups in the smaller leagues just to turn a small profit into a long-term big profit, its obvious the sites are not going to be able to police this concern.

    For that reason, I think unless you are going to “play the game” and become heavily invested in this somehow (lineup sharing, optimizing, purchasing lineups, etc…) it is best to consider this a form of recreation.

    I had a ton of success in MLB and think that is more my comfort zone. That doesn’t mean I want to just do nothing until MLB starts. I find that just entering minimally and having fun with the lineup puzzle is a better fit.

    While I completely understand the frustration we all feel with the way the ecosystem works in DFS, it is not going to change when the sites turn a blind eye and tout sites feature players who are doing the same thing.

  • WrathofKhaaan

    This is the very reason I don’t play H2H’s, I don’t think many casual players play them. The sharps tout that you should supplement your 50/50’s with some H2H’s, but I think it’s mostly the sharps that play H2H’s in the first place, they are just trying to attract fish IMO. I’ll happily stick to my double ups and 50/50’s, where the dist is more even between sharps and fish.

  • bhdevault

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    @WrathofKhaaan said...

    This is the very reason I don’t play H2H’s, I don’t think many casual players play them. The sharps tout that you should supplement your 50/50’s with some H2H’s, but I think it’s mostly the sharps that play H2H’s in the first place, they are just trying to attract fish IMO. I’ll happily stick to my double ups and 50/50’s, where the dist is more even between sharps and fish.

    Let me help your thinking here.

    So let’s use a fictional slate of 12/5/17. On this slate, the average 50/50 cash line is 285. Some are a little above, some a little below, however that’s right around the average. You score 279 on this slate. You would lose 100% of your double ups and 50/50’s, right? If you played $100 in cash games, you win zero.

    However, if you played mostly H2H’s, you would probably get 35 to 45% of your money back, on average. So getting back $35 to $45 of your money on a slate where you lost is pretty darn good.

    Nobody says you need to put out H2H action. Just go into a lobby, and go right down the list of names and take 1 game from each if you must. Your goal is to get as much variance as possible. If you are playing $50 in cash games.. take as many $1 games as you the site allows. The more different lineups you face, the better it is.

    That’s the reason you play H2H games. Make sense?

  • bigez952

    @bhdevault said...

    Let me help your thinking here.

    So let’s use a fictional slate of 12/5/17. On this slate, the average 50/50 cash line is 285. Some are a little above, some a little below, however that’s right around the average. You score 279 on this slate. You would lose 100% of your double ups and 50/50’s, right? If you played $100 in cash games, you win zero.

    However, if you played mostly H2H’s, you would probably get 35 to 45% of your money back, on average. So getting back $35 to $45 of your money on a slate where you lost is pretty darn good.

    Nobody says you need to put out H2H action. Just go into a lobby, and go right down the list of names and take 1 game from each if you must. Your goal is to get as much variance as possible. If you are playing $50 in cash games.. take as many $1 games as you the site allows. The more different lineups you face, the better it is.

    That’s the reason you play H2H games. Make sense?

    I understand the theory behind the reason to play head to heads but I also understand what the original poster bringing this up is talking about that in general the skill level is higher in H2H games vs. double ups. I bought into this method this past MLB season and can share my personal results which make me question H2H’s as a long term strategy.

    This season for MLB I played 2,797 head to head $1 head to head games (played $20 per slate 90% of the time) and finished with a record of 1558-1239 for a 55.7% winning % and gained me a profit of $7.40 for the entire season. I also played in the $5 single entry double up for every single slate that I played in those 154 games I had a record of 84-70 for a 54.5 winning % and a profit of $70 for the entire season. I also only make and play 1 cash game lineup for each slate for all head to heads and double ups so it is pretty solid data.

    Risking 4x the money for 1/10th of the profit makes it a tough sell long term for me. Sure there were days I lost my double up and won a few head to heads but I don’t care about results on a one slate basis and take the approach of what game selection and methods work for the full season. Based on my results for the 2017 MLB season I will really have to rethink my strategy for next year.

  • Scumpunch

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    @bhdevault said...

    Let me help your thinking here.

    So let’s use a fictional slate of 12/5/17. On this slate, the average 50/50 cash line is 285. Some are a little above, some a little below, however that’s right around the average. You score 279 on this slate. You would lose 100% of your double ups and 50/50’s, right? If you played $100 in cash games, you win zero.

    However, if you played mostly H2H’s, you would probably get 35 to 45% of your money back, on average. So getting back $35 to $45 of your money on a slate where you lost is pretty darn good.

    Sure, but for every slate that goes down as you described, there will be another for which you score 290 and win 100% of 50/50s and only 55% of H2Hs. Assuming your goal is to maximize your EV over the long term, there is no rational reason to play H2Hs over 50/50s if the average cash line of H2Hs is indeed higher than that of 50/50s. I’m not sure if that is the case, and it probably varies by sport and site, but the fact that H2Hs reduce your variance in the short term is irrelevant to your long term EV.

    Edit: bigez952 beat me to it with a similar response. I agree that large-field single-entry DUs or 50/50s are the “softest” cash games out there and should be your first priority. After that, I think it is debatable between H2Hs and multi-entry or small-field DUs or 50/50s, depending on the sport/site.

  • Jvanspro

    Pundits have tried selling this over and over. I bought in to it for awhile and come to realize it’s a bunch of BS. My ROI has increased dramatically in 2017 since I stopped playing H2H games and focused on 50/50’s.

  • mambaland

    my point was csu is the owner of a site and wants customers but yet wants to run the fish out who may join..its just bad business or common courtesy to not have to chase small players out so you can maximize your entries. A lot of the same guys who also do it are podcasters or RG people so you would think they want to let the market grow not chase it away

  • timusbr

    @mambaland said...

    my point was csu is the owner of a site and wants customers but yet wants to run the fish out who may join..its just bad business or common courtesy to not have to chase small players out so you can maximize your entries. A lot of the same guys who also do it are podcasters or RG people so you would think they want to let the market grow not chase it away

    is he the owner or is he just a mouthpiece?

    he is good, its amazing that he can play daily almost all sports.

    I am kinda happy not to see his name much, i play DK. A few years ago i saw alot of him and i am under $5 guy. Doesnt anyone want to beat the pro anymore? I like to play them and play them on a $1 game. I dont want to play them on a $50 game. Also I want to play them in a 10 person game…because if I can beat them (which isnt hard but maybe not consistently), I am beating everyone else and taking my $5 from the $1 bet.

  • monaco712

    Never play NHL 10 player 50/50s on DK.
    Talk about a shark tank.

  • frUnk

    The odds are stacked majorly against you, if you are not able to play volume, it’s just a simple numbers game. Your best chance of surviving long term is to play the limited entry tournaments, whether it is 1, 3, 20 entry etc. Whether it’s GPP or 50/50. If you are competing with 100 or 150 lineup user’s, you are already behind the curve with your 10 lineups. I’ve seen numbers suggested somewhere that around 30% of entries could be from users who Max enter. In a big 50/50, just under 50% double up. What are your chances of being in that 50% cash line, if 30% of the entries are sharks. Think about it.

    Forget the H2Hs unless you can hand pick names you don’t recognize, which in the end may still be a shark or a lineup buyer with the shark picks.

    Or just join the rest of the crowd, who plays casually and considers DFS entertainment. You can still get your fix and not spend a lot of money each week, with a chance of hitting the big GPP win. Read the article on here of the guy who won the $100k GPP prize off of a single entry in the FanDuel tournament, who threw his lineup together 4 minutes before lock, because he didn’t have time to research. Sure those wins are long shot, but it’s not impossible.

    If you are trying to be “pro” and live off DFS, you got a tough climb, and an even tougher time if you don’t have a decent bankroll to start with. Good luck avoiding the sharks!

  • ivymoose

    Another recent change (about a couple of months ago?) made by the sites is those who have won a certain amount over the years can no longer play games under $5.

  • bric75

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    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/industry-format-change-suggestion-zoom-poker-model-1766556

  • monaco712

    @ivymoose said...

    Another recent change (about a couple of months ago?) made by the sites is those who have won a certain amount over the years can no longer play games under $5

    Thats why I have a big issue with testosterown when DK implemented that
    policy he went over to fantasydraft to play the dollar games to rob
    simple recreationals players of there pennies.
    I respect the Pros DFS is not easy but if you intentionally go bottom feeding
    you are a disgrace to the industry.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @monaco712 said...

    Thats why I have a big issue with testosterown when DK implemented that
    policy he went over to fantasydraft to play the dollar games to rob
    simple recreationals players of there pennies.
    I respect the Pros DFS is not easy but if you intentional go bottom feeding
    you are a disgrace to the industry.

    You should encourage fantasy draft to adopt a similar stance for low stakes games

  • monaco712

    @britdevine said...

    You should encourage fantasy draft to adopt a similar stance for low stakes games

    I have several emails in to them regarding this matter hopefully they
    will do the right thing.

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