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  • umpire344

    Do u check your scores periodically, frequently at home?? How do you make time for research ?? Is your significant other supportive?? I noticed I frequently check my scores on my phone and my wife hasn’t really got on my ass for it but I can tell she’s a little annoyed!! I don’t want it to become a problem. Anyone have some advice?

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @sethayates said...

    I completely get what you are saying here. I’m not sure how you and your wife communicate. Being a CPA you could take the numbers to your wife and compare your DFS versus her hobbies. That is probably a non-starter since the issue is time not money.

    I’ve been with my wife for almost four years now and have a 1 and 3 year old. She wasn’t always happy about me spending a bunch of time on DFS. The big things that changed that were winning a couple of decent-sized prizes and sharing in the returns with her. A few years ago I won the early-only Strikeout on FanDuel. It was like $3000. This was right around the time my son was born. I pulled out almost all of it and I said, “Let’s take a trip to IKEA this weekend and get things for the baby.”

    After DFS started bringing money in (and she was allowed to share in the winnings) then money wasn’t the issue. The time thing is still a bit difficult. I work 7:30-430 so I’m usually getting home about 5ET. She’s runs her own business out of our home (Sells Pure Romance) so when I get home at 5ET she’s had the kids all day. It’s also dinner time and the kids haven’t seen their dad all day. It’s a tough sell to ask for an hour or more between 5-7 after just getting home. What that means is different for every sport:

    NBA: Pretty much a no-go. Only way it can be done is do all your research from 630-7ET and play exclusively on “lock sites” like FD. The problem here is you really don’t see many of the games (except west coast) so miss out on a lot of things the numbers won’t tell you.

    (Can also, research 7-730 “must plays” then play on DK with the must plays locked in and the rest of the roster flexible. Usually, you’ll have at least a few minutes before 9ET to finish locking in your lineup and you’ll already know whether you need to be aggressive or just play the chalk. The west coast games have higher over/unders anyway)

    MLB: It’s really easy to create a Google Doc or excel doc that scrapes all the stats you need. Once you set it up one time you don’t have to redo the work. This also cuts out the hours people think you need to spend on FanGraphs. You can also shortcut it even more and just come here to RG. The problem here is that we are talking about baseball which has really high variance. I’ve found I get more enjoyment these days from just using “The Bat” to build a few of my favorite stacks. On Saturday, I scored 204.65 on DK just by putting in my 5 favorite Blue Jays and optimizing the rest. I actually set that lineup from a Memorial Day cookout.

    PGA/NFL/CFL/CFB (Weekly sports): These are a lot easier. You can do your research days in advance and usually at a time that’s convenient for you and your family. I know you already said PGA is an issue but that’s what I would fight for if I were you. It’s a once per week thing and it shouldn’t be an extreme time-waster.

    If your wife says no to PGA the good news is Preseason NFL starts next month. That’s the best sport to play……wait, she already thinks you have a gambling problem. Go ahead and just stick to the weekly sports.

    The financial analysis. Done. Ran plenty of pivot tables from DK transaction histories showing Entry fees, Winnings and a P/L. I focused on the P & L. She focused on the Entry Fees and said “that’s a Sandals vacation!” I practice pristine bankroll management, havent redeposited in forever, told her that, but it’s not good enough. You and I both know it’s the time and yes if a big W, her tone would change completely.. She understood I wasn’t draining even my personal portion or even a dominant % of it but still the time relative to profits is not sitting well with her. So I kinda did what the sites did for Eric Schneiderman and conceded PGA for her till NFL and hopefully that works out.

  • MrFantasy

    I just tell my fiance that if she doesn’t let me play DFS and poker whenever I need then she can go get a job. That shuts her up real quick.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @MrFantasy said...

    I just tell my fiance that if she doesn’t let me play DFS and poker whenever I need then she can go get a job. That shuts her up real quick.

    I know I’m a CPA, but that’s not something I can tell my nurse practitioner (damn near doctor) wife.

    We’re both good with money, great credit scores, have our things, but I feel I have to be held to the fire more. That’s my issue. I never batted an eye over a Coach purse or Amazon Prime item. But I notice it more now

  • cdenny99

    I think creating your own spreadsheets when you get the time is ideal in these scenarios. I know if I need to research quickly, I can pull up the good plays just by opening it up and waiting about a minute or so for the scraping to update. It takes time to create the spreadsheets, but then your daily research is in essence “done”, so to speak. Also if you have a routine you do everyday, and do it the same every day, you can research much more quickly I find. This is such a great topic.

  • CUTiger81

    I’ve been married for 7 years and have 3.5 and 1.5 year old daughters. I play probably 90% of main slates during MLB/NBA season and just about every NFL and PGA main slate so I play quite a bit. I put in $250 over a year and a half ago and haven’t really added anything since and used what I’ve taken out for furniture for the kid’s rooms, if I was depositing all the time it would probably become a bigger issue. I usually check ownership percentages right around lock for a few minutes on my phone and then hang out with the kids and help put them to sleep then check more intently (watch games) as the night goes on. She knows I get wrapped up in my hobbies and much prefers this one to some others in the past so as long as I’m spending time with her and my little girls and not losing my ass then all is good. Now she thinks I’m crazy for spending hours on Fangraphs and probably laughs a little inside when I’m listening to Siege do battle with someone on a GrinderLive show but I can live with that haha

  • IronMonkey415

    I’ve abandon them all, have no time to waste on them.

    Rotogrinders.com is my family now.

  • ballabal

    I am married and have a good job. We have no kids. My husband had to retire really early. I started playing DFS last fall with football. I seem to win enough to keep playing without making more deposits. I don’ t play every day because of work and other things. I live in TX in the central time zone so I can’t play day slates for baseball. Sometimes I have to play the later slates. Husband doesn’t really have a problem with me playing DFS. It is a hobby for me. A few times I almost got a big prize and if I do, I will use it for something nice. If I feel that I had a lineup that I am not sure of, I play a free game with it. He sometimes asks me if I am playing or not and if not asks my why not. My problem is going back to check too often, so I leave the house and go somewhere or work in the yard. I am in the IT field and have to study for some certification tests and will have to cut back my playing time for a while. I just don’t know what I am going to do if DK leaves TX. I currently trade stock and ETF options occasionally and will probably do more of that if I can’t play DFS.

  • noddy

    My wife’s last day at her part time job is tomorrow. She is leaving because she believes she can make more money playing DFS than at her part time job. There is also the chance of hitting a big score in DFS, although a very little chance, but there is no chance of winning thousands of dollars where she works. Our last of 3 kids just graduated HS and we are both turning 50 this year. We have invested all of our time in our kids and we wouldn’t have it any other way, but now its our turn. We want the “freedom” to be able to travel or live anywhere. Starting August 1st will be a very exciting time for us. She has been preparing for DFS for a few months. Here’s to good times!!!!

  • DomTwan

    Spoken like true beta males.

  • querb

    i have three children under 7. i lock myself in the bathroom from 5.45-6.05 every night

  • wolfjb1

    @noddy said...

    My wife’s last day at her part time job is tomorrow. She is leaving because she believes she can make more money playing DFS than at her part time job. There is also the chance of hitting a big score in DFS, although a very little chance, but there is no chance of winning thousands of dollars where she works. Our last of 3 kids just graduated HS and we are both turning 50 this year. We have invested all of our time in our kids and we wouldn’t have it any other way, but now its our turn. We want the “freedom” to be able to travel or live anywhere. Starting August 1st will be a very exciting time for us. She has been preparing for DFS for a few months. Here’s to good times!!!!

    That’s fantastic! Let us know how it goes.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @DomTwan said...

    Spoken like true beta males.

    Options for some of us:

    - Scale back or quit DFS – Expensive divorce with high legal fees and 2 household maintenance for the next 10-20 years

    Would you really do the latter just to keep playing or at least at the volume you are. I at least can scale back and not have to go through the latter. I’m sure others aren’t so lucky

  • xdan3220

    Not married but live with girlfriend of 2 years and I agree with a couple of posts that it is definitely a good idea to try to include the other person in DFS. I generally have anywhere from $20 to $1060 going in a night but always offer her a lineup in the $1 games to keep her included makes a huge difference. Other than that the biggest issues come when you are trying to research and get your numbers in order after work during time she wants to spend together. It takes a combination of her being understanding and you finding balance to not create issues. For example on the weekends I’m an early riser so I almost always get all my numbers together before she even wakes up so that she doesn’t have to sit there while I am meticulously scouring BvP stats. Winning is a great help too, winning 40k and taking us on a vacation has a way of being useful in the future

  • JENSGT

    I’m a woman who plays DFS. My husband bets on harness racing on Saturday nights so he could hardly give me crap about it. He gave me the speech about sharks and whatnot but then I won a $1 tourney for $100 in NCAABB so it kept me rolling for a bit. Then I won $1000 during the tourney…so he had to eat crow about that. MLB though has been a real pain in the ass. Hardly win and when I do it’s $8 or something…NCAAbb to me you could have a real edge even with a single entry if you knew the game and the players…MLB I’m starting to feel like you’re screwed if you can’t mass enter. I cut back to one contest a day…sometimes a $3 but a lot of the time a single entry $1. We have a 2 year old so I just don’t have time for tons of research.

    If I were a guy I could never marry a woman who was not into sports….my guy friends sometimes check in on Facebook at like…the outlet stores or to dinner somewhere and I’m like….but…but….FOOTBALL IS ON?! lol.

  • thehazyone

    RG Contributor

    • Blogger of the Month

    @JENSGT said...

    I’m a woman who plays DFS. My husband bets on harness racing on Saturday nights so he could hardly give me crap about it. He gave me the speech about sharks and whatnot but then I won a $1 tourney for $100 in NCAABB so it kept me rolling for a bit. Then I won $1000 during the tourney…so he had to eat crow about that. MLB though has been a real pain in the ass. Hardly win and when I do it’s $8 or something…NCAAbb to me you could have a real edge even with a single entry if you knew the game and the players…MLB I’m starting to feel like you’re screwed if you can’t mass enter. I cut back to one contest a day…sometimes a $3 but a lot of the time a single entry $1. We have a 2 year old so I just don’t have time for tons of research.

    If I were a guy I could never marry a woman who was not into sports….my guy friends sometimes check in on Facebook at like…the outlet stores or to dinner somewhere and I’m like….but…but….FOOTBALL IS ON?! lol.

    Don’t feel bad. MLB is tough even when you mass enter. Easily my most difficult sport and the one I feel has the highest variance and yea I’m like you when does football start?

    This is a great thread btw. My fiance leaves me alone because I always buy her stuff when I win and I never use bill paying money and she knows it. That and I always make sure to take time each day to spend with her after rosters lock. The lone exception is NFL Sundays. She just goes and hides in the bedroom that day ha ha.

  • noddy

    @wolfjb1 said...

    That’s fantastic! Let us know how it goes.

    Will do. And for those of you that think there is no way your significant other will ever understand well there is hope. If you had told me 3 months ago or anytime prior to that she would do this I would have told you that you were nuts. That there was no way in hell my wife would ever do this. Some times things change as it did with us. She’s a little nervous, but very excited about the whole thing. Try to find something that benefits her in this whole thing. She knows there’s an opportunity that we could travel more and not be tied down and that was part of what convinced her. And if it doesn’t work out she can get any part time job like the one she is leaving. Little to no risk with high reward is what I keep saying.

  • meerkatmreow

    @DomTwan said...

    Spoken like true beta males.

    Shouldn’t you be out buying fuzzy hats and practicing your negs?

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @PJGuin23 said...

    You and I both know it’s the time and yes if a big W, her tone would change completely.. She understood I wasn’t draining even my personal portion or even a dominant % of it but still the time relative to profits is not sitting well with her. So I kinda did what the sites did for Eric Schneiderman and conceded PGA for her till NFL and hopefully that works out.

    I’ve had a handful or two of 4 and even a 5 figure wins. Hasn’t really changed my wife’s opinion of DFS either way. For her, it has always been about the amount of time I spend obsessing about it. The amount of time I spend ignoring her while checking scores on my phone or laptop and/or watching games while checking scores. It was the same thing when I used to bet on sports when we first met. I often let things consume me. Over the years I’ve slowly come the realization that whether I check the scores or not, it isn’t going to change the outcomes. I can try to spend more time with my wife early in the evening and then still watch some sports/follow DFS/hope for a late sweat after she goes to bed (typically 9-9:30. I usually am up until midnight).

    NFL has always been a different story. I tend to want to watch games from 1 PM until 11 PM. She usually is pretty good about that but I try to still occasionally do things with her/around the house before or after Eagles games especially. The bad part is that I got into CFB DFS maybe more heavily than NFL. Then it became both Saturday AND Sunday. She didn’t like that. From a DFS perspective, losing College Football sucks. But from a family standpoint, especially with a daughter on the way before football season, it may be a blessing in disguise. Same with College Basketball in the winter, although I am going to to REALLY miss it. College sports were my most profitable as well. But I’ve always looked at DFS as entertainment, even if it has provided me with a small supplemental income. Overall, my DFS and family balance is still a work in progress (with a big change coming very soon), but certainly gets better every year.

  • BennyRamirez

    @PJGuin23 said...

    Options for some of us:

    - Scale back or quit DFS – Expensive divorce with high legal fees and 2 household maintenance for the next 10-20 years

    Would you really do the latter just to keep playing or at least at the volume you are. I at least can scale back and not have to go through the latter. I’m sure others aren’t so lucky

    Not to mention the bigger point: that we value our families and are reflecting that in our routines. I don’t see my routine as compromising my research or DFS sweats. I see it as enjoying some quiet time at the grill with my first beer of the night and having a nice dinner with my family. Without those things, we are less happy. 17-18-months old aren’t awake more than nine hours a day. I don’t want to miss out on an hour to see what happened in the first two or three innings of an east coast game. Just seems silly.

  • gibbathy

    2014 FSWA Golf Writer of the Year

    • Blogger of the Month

    My wife and I do a lot of DIY projects around the house. We use my fantasy sports account (if needed) at our bank to buy materials instead of dipping into savings. We spend a lot of the summer in our backyard. Last summer DFS helped build it. We are currently building furniture with power tools I bought with DFS money. Since I only do DFS Golf I bought a 32 inch TV and a AppleTV (solely for the backyard) and I have the golf streaming as we work on projects together.

    Some nights when the kids are in bed I’ll be on my laptop researching and she’ll be on her tablet looking up ideas for projects.

    Balance can be tricky for marriages, but that is not just a DFS issue either. Find a happy medium. Always play within your means too.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I’ve had a handful or two of 4 and even a 5 figure wins. Hasn’t really changed my wife’s opinion of DFS either way. For her, it has always been about the amount of time I spend obsessing about it. The amount of time I spend ignoring her while checking scores on my phone or laptop and/or watching games while checking scores. It was the same thing when I used to bet on sports when we first met. I often let things consume me. Over the years I’ve slowly come the realization that whether I check the scores or not, it isn’t going to change the outcomes. I can try to spend more time with my wife early in the evening and then still watch some sports/follow DFS/hope for a late sweat after she goes to bed (typically 9-9:30. I usually am up until midnight).

    NFL has always been a different story. I tend to want to watch games from 1 PM until 11 PM. She usually is pretty good about that but I try to still occasionally do things with her/around the house before or after Eagles games especially. The bad part is that I got into CFB DFS maybe more heavily than NFL. Then it became both Saturday AND Sunday. She didn’t like that. From a DFS perspective, losing College Football sucks. But from a family standpoint, especially with a daughter on the way before football season, it may be a blessing in disguise. Same with College Basketball in the winter, although I am going to to REALLY miss it. College sports were my most profitable as well. But I’ve always looked at DFS as entertainment, even if it has provided me with a small supplemental income. Overall, my DFS and family balance is still a work in progress (with a big change coming very soon), but certainly gets better every year.

    DFS has been great for my tax practice. My wife is amenable to that. But she shares that same opinion as yours. She’s no fan of the sweat nor the time. Thing is we both have good incomes and are highly educated. She thinks this makes me dumber than what I normally am. That’s hard to hear.

    And you will see once you become a dad, it changes a lot. Congrats by the way! Her tolerance for the time spent will likely diminish.

  • billholler

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I’ve had a handful or two of 4 and even a 5 figure wins. Hasn’t really changed my wife’s opinion of DFS either way. For her, it has always been about the amount of time I spend obsessing about it

    Sounds familiar. Mine bitched quite a bit until I had my first single win of over $1000. Then she got quiet when I hit one for 30k and then 10k the next week. I made sure to spend quite a bit on her and bought $1500 CDs for each of our 4 kids. Then she started playing PGA. So now, even when I lose a little (or a lot) she doesn’t bitch too much. She likes watching football with me so hoping she joins in the DFS side this fall.

  • tvsfrink

    @DomTwan said...

    Spoken like true beta males.

    You sound like quite the catch.

  • mabrla

    Winning solves everything unfortunately.

    If you aren’t getting big payouts it will annoy others. If you are, they’ll support you.

  • MisterMister

    The family and I sat down and had that long talk about DFS. About love and home and togetherness and memories. And it so put into perspective what really mattered.

    From what I hear they’re doing well.

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