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  • travs424

    best lineup on ds nba tonight

    PLAYERS
    Pressey, Phil BOS-G
    Rubio, Ricky MIN-G ($12,870)
    Lillard, Damian POR-G ($15,011)
    Dragic, Goran PHO-G ($15,541)
    Aminu, Al-Farouq NO-F ($9,148)
    James, LeBron MIA-F ($21,509
    Kidd-Gilchrist,… CHA-F ($7,675)
    Jefferson, Al CHA-C ($14,439)

    it has to be the best lineup this is how many teams played it in the double ups

    dinkpiece
    papacub
    leonem
    shawners
    frogman
    babkock
    bebehands
    tmhsport
    craftylefty
    dean78904
    sam97
    hunta512

    maybe more but that is all i can find……bravo!!!!!!

    maybe ds can add a copy and paste option instead of the import/export feature make it easier for everyone

  • winsome

    @lovesbases said…

    There is no reason for DS to warn dink. He isn’t cheating. He isn’t giving out lineups. Just wish he would realize that he’s costing himself money overall.

    He’s actually not costing himself any money if people are paying him for his advice.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @EmpireMaker2 said…

    Yes it’s killing everyone. If a top 5 player is giving out all his picks and this happens in almost every sport how can anyone beat the games? There’s the occasional really bad player, but they seem to be few and far between at the high stakes. I always viewed this as an individual game much like poker, but all it takes now is a membership and you just need to tail picks. Obviously aff. money trumps playing money in every situation or no one would be giving away picks.

    +1

    It’ll always be about the money. It’s easy to blame dfs sites for their pricing, but how about the sites who offer value plays/cheat sheets/bargain bins, etc.?

  • TheBigTebowski

    @jbergey said…

    I think they would so the same as they do now. Look for value. Personally, I dont care what info people get but what I dont like is so many players being commonly owned. I blame that more on the sites creating the prices. Plays really shouldnt be that obvious. If they are that obvious, there is an issue with that price.

    I am thinking Dragic and Al Jefferson werent 50 percent owned last night if you added another 3-4k to their price.

    Fixing the pricing scale makes sense and I fully agree with that idea.
    But if they put a blocker after certain amount of people choose one player. I think new/rec people will get pissed, if they can never get a chance to pick their favorite guys and their lock for a big night picks. I also think people would start to avoid games that are almost full so they make sure they get their picks for sure.

  • nickcarbo24

    listen i subscribe to dink and leonem rundown and i use it as what it is, a tool! it helps me see some spots i might not have noticed. if i like a guy and he doesn’t show up on the cheat sheet i don’t stay away from him. These guys have a edge they can’t see the future. Bc one night they hit the nail on the head and people used the same players u can’t say that should be banned!

    Nickcarbo24

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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    @pbarrese13 said…

    I cant wait to hear whiskey’s response. After reading this 3 page thread, I thought Whiskey won the thread so far with his post. Not sure if you were just trolling but vendetta seems kinda strong of a word here DC.

    No personal vendettas. I just firmly believe that people who really really care about how many twitter followers they have or cultivate an image through social media in order to carve out some kind of half assed career for themselves are misguided and phoney. Just speak knowledgeably about a sport and leave the bad schtick to ESPN and other hack entities.

  • Hallison

    @EmpireMaker2 said…

    Yes it’s killing everyone. If a top 5 player is giving out all his picks and this happens in almost every sport how can anyone beat the games? There’s the occasional really bad player, but they seem to be few and far between at the high stakes. I always viewed this as an individual game much like poker, but all it takes now is a membership and you just need to tail picks. Obviously aff. money trumps playing money in every situation or no one would be giving away picks.

    Poker has plenty of instructors/top players with training sites that show you how to make you a better player

  • StopAndDrop

    I just hate the fact that Dink tries to act like he cares so much about the industry because he gives up a tiny bit of profit by not playing any games under $10 and than he turns around and hands out his research.

    Because of people like Dink handing out picks, if you do your own research and take a player who isn’t highly owned and he has a subpar game you’re pretty much done. I think everyone would much rather have Dink taking $5 games than giving away his research.

    But what is the solution to this? Sites scrapping affiliate programs? If the player base reaches a certain level I could see that happening maybe, but not anytime soon.

  • easternmh

    • 2019 Blogger of the Month

    @Hallison said…

    Poker has plenty of instructors/top players with training sites that show you how to make you a better player

    They aren’t over ur shoulder playing ur hands for you lol all day everyday … They teach you fundamentals and strategies, completely different than this

  • craftylefty

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    Since my line up was listed, I thought I might give a response. Like nickcarbo24 and others, I subscribe to Dink and Leonem’s rundown. I also was lucky enough to discover RG when I was first signing up to sites so I have the incentives as well.

    As someone who is still learning the ropes, I use these items as tools. At no point was I given a line up to use by Dink or Loenem. I do my own research and then I use these tools to help me make my final decision. It just happened to be that I came to the same conclusion as other players.

    The biggest problem I see with the industry is that beginners are thrown in with the sharks right away. When I was learning poker and playing online, when I started out at the micro stakes, I was not playing against the best players in the world. As you learned and got better, you moved up through the stakes. If you weren’t ready for the next stake, you moved down. However, in DFS, at the lowest levels, you are playing against the best. Therefore, you don’t have the luxury of a learning curb against other beginners. My mistakes are going to magnified since I am playing against the best, even at the lowest levels. I feel the incentives and rundown will help me compete and learn the game without being an ATM to the best in the world.

    Do you think online poker would had exploded if you had to play the Phil Ivey’s at every level at every game?

    As someone who is trying to see if they can be profitable at playing DFS, I am going to use very advantage available to complete and if experts are willing to give out information, I am going to use it, especially if I have to play against the best of the best even at the low stakes.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @StopAndDrop said…

    I just hate the fact that Dink tries to act like he cares so much about the industry because he gives up a tiny bit of profit by not playing any games under $10 and than he turns around and hands out his research.

    Because of people like Dink handing out picks, if you do your own research and take a player who isn’t highly owned and he has a subpar game you’re pretty much done. I think everyone would much rather have Dink taking $5 games than giving away his research.

    But what is the solution to this? Sites scrapping affiliate programs? If the player base reaches a certain level I could see that happening maybe, but not anytime soon.

    It’s always about the money. Content sites(Dink’s, RG, etc.) need their players to do well in order to make more money. If their players do well, it means more affiliate money. As more and more users gravitate towards content sites and affiliate money grows, overlap of players will continue to get worse and worse.

    I respect the ‘hustle’ so to speak, of the guys that work on content sites and in particular, the way RG has built their empire. It’s truly impressive. However, don’t feed us the ‘helping the industry’ line when in reality, you guys are helping yourself.

  • TheBigTebowski

    @nickcarbo24 said…

    listen i subscribe to dink and leonem rundown and i use it as what it is, a tool! it helps me see some spots i might not have noticed. if i like a guy and he doesn’t show up on the cheat sheet i don’t stay away from him. These guys have a edge they can’t see the future. Bc one night they hit the nail on the head and people used the same players u can’t say that should be banned!

    Nickcarbo24

    Not sure what the cheat sheet looks like or how many of the people with the same lineup subscribe to it. But based on pure odds if you had 20 different picks to choose from on the sheet plus each persons own picks from 10+ games. 8 people from a hundred picking the same team is astronomical! Even if you just used the picks off the sheet. The odds of 8/100 having the same team is ridiculous.
    Just saying.

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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    @kaetorade said…

    It’s always about the money. Content sites(Dink’s, RG, etc.) need their players to do well in order to make more money. If their players do well, it means more affiliate money. As more and more users gravitate towards content sites and affiliate money grows, overlap of players will continue to get worse and worse.

    I respect the ‘hustle’ so to speak, of the guys that work on content sites and in particular, the way RG has built their empire. It’s truly impressive. However, don’t feed us the ‘helping the industry’ line when in reality, you guys are helping yourself.

    It is actually the exact opposite of “hustle”.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @craftylefty said…

    The biggest problem I see with the industry is that beginners are thrown in with the sharks right away.

    As someone who is trying to see if they can be profitable at playing DFS, I am going to use very advantage available to complete and if experts are willing to give out information, I am going to use it, especially if I have to play against the best of the best even at the low stakes.

    I’m pretty sure that sharks don’t play in free leagues. And if they do, well, you didn’t lose anything playing them in free leagues. I’m also pretty sure that you can compare your lineups to those of the top players without investing a single cent.

  • MrTuttle05

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    Eastern & Stop&Drop – as you are 2 of the more outspoken on the issue, I’m curious as to know if you’ve sampled Dink/Mike’s work before?

    Seems kind of silly to critique/judge a product without actually knowing the product.

  • StopAndDrop

    @MrTuttle05 said…

    Eastern & Stop&Drop – as you are 2 of the more outspoken on the issue, I’m curious as to know if you’ve sampled Dink/Mike’s work before?

    Seems kind of silly to critique/judge a product without actually knowing the product.

    Never tried it, from what I understand it’s Dink’s and Leolemon research + Ask Dink service.

    DFS is a game of skill, with the Dink and Leolemon service you could know nothing about basketball and build a competitive team every night when you get home from work. I don’t see the skill involved in that, I find it sad that good players like Dink are attempting to make DFS a giant rake swap, by giving up the edge they have.

  • TheBigTebowski

    @kaetorade said…

    I’m pretty sure that sharks don’t play in free leagues. And if they do, well, you didn’t lose anything playing them in free leagues. I’m also pretty sure that you can compare your lineups to those of the top players without investing a single cent.

    Problem with this is that if people play in free leagues it doesn’t bring new money to the DFS community. It is better for people to be playing even low stakes to learn rather than free ones. Also If everyone starts off playing free games and tracking their games compared to the sharks. How many will give up realizing they are doomed and don’t deposit squat?

  • viewfromtop

    • 2013 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Training sites will ruin this industry and negate any edge sharper players have, rec players will quit quicker and regs will move on to other arenas. Best hope is for nba/mlb to turn into fantasy football with 100000 different experts. Or you know not be greedy and try to exploit every 1$ and $2 game available.

  • miggytoddbest

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @dinkpiece said…

    Travs – it’s a mathematical disadvantage for players to use the same rosters in the same game so this isn’t something I’d like to see happen. If u notice on the double ups all the same lineups tied for the last five cashing spots and 7 players including myself tied for 5 cashing spots which means I got paid 5/7’s of a paid spot instead of the full amount.

    I’m not trying to be dismissive of the question which is why I’m openly responding and explaining. Our service has run since day 1 of the nba season and this complaint is being filed for the first time now. So which is more likely? It was an unusual night with heavy overlap bc of presseys extreme value making rosters 7 on 7 and as Berger noted forcing an expensive player like lebron to be picked to balance OR our service randomly picked yesterday to give out lineups?

    Ds has more overlap than most sites bc they don’t have positional flexibility and the super strict pricing makes it so that there sometimes are only a handful of good plays. This was one of those nights. If this was a rampant issue with our service I’d think you’d have seen nights like this more often and likely before day 77 of the nba season

    Hey Dink, I enjoy your views, I listen 95% for injuries and replacements since you guys seem to really be on top of those.

    I just have one question that I just can never seem to get my head around. I know a bunch of you guys are friends and there is nothing wrong with chatting up with your boys, but its’ the exact lineups that I think if new players notice will really have a very negative impact on future growth. I have come to accept it and not care too much, but back in late MLB, I almost said f this because it just seems wrong.

    Could you explain why like travs shows here you again have the same lineup as Papa Cub? This happened a lot in baseball and I have heard stories that he
    is your dad, don’t know.

    Papa Cub whoever he is, is not an article writer or host a show or anything.

    I think Socredave and Leonem are both seemingly good guys. I did not notice but 3 people emailed me because they noticed the same score in the top 10 in some NBA that recently had a large slate of NBA games and Socre and Leo has identical lineups. This was on DS.

    I just responded to these guys that possibly one of them didn’t have time to roster on their own and that I did not see it and have not noticed it before, but I really don’t look anymore.

    Would you guys mind explaining what happened? It was within the last 10 days and well before Dave took off for the birth. Many congratulations as well.

    This whole making picks and playing and reps from other sites playing on sites where they do not work, I don’t think there is really anything that wrong with it, but the perception which you know correct or not is reality to every new player makes them unsure whether this is on the up and up. We need a commish, kinda like when Kenshaw Mountain Landas restored the public’s faith in baseball!!!

    This guy does not play, work, or own any site and presents to the public that DFS is a tightly run ship. Right now I think a lot of people think eddie ciconne and Lefty are running the DFS landscape!! lol

    DOn’t know the answer there are so many good things happening, I just think before it becomes too public an issue, there may need to be a “facelift” done.

  • viewfromtop

    • 2013 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    pick 5’s and snake drafts are the way of the future if syndicates of 10 identical lu’s are allowed. Hope the affiliate $$ is worth it in two years. Giving a family member identical lu’s across different sport is flat out bad for DFS, would hope someone as intelligent and respected as Dink would recognize that.

    Online poker training was 1/5 as harmful as DFS and even that dried out games rather quick.

  • jbergey

    @StopAndDrop said…

    Never tried it, from what I understand it’s Dink’s and Leolemon research + Ask Dink service.

    DFS is a game of skill, with the Dink and Leolemon service you could know nothing about basketball and build a competitive team every night when you get home from work. I don’t see the skill involved in that, I find it sad that good players like Dink are attempting to make DFS a giant rake swap, by giving up the edge they have.

    Unless you actually see what he writes, how would you know what edge it would give a new player?

    He can help a bad player become average, an average player become pretty good, but there is nothing he puts in his report that would make a bad player a great player. What he does is help people out. He doesnt use anything that cant be found other places. He may explain how to best use the information to be an effective player but he doesnt build your team. I find it interesting that you are so against this concept yet you visit this website.

  • TheBigTebowski

    @StopAndDrop said…

    Never tried it, from what I understand it’s Dink’s and Leolemon research + Ask Dink service.

    DFS is a game of skill, with the Dink and Leolemon service you could know nothing about basketball and build a competitive team every night when you get home from work. I don’t see the skill involved in that, I find it sad that good players like Dink are attempting to make DFS a giant rake swap, by giving up the edge they have.

    Are you saying you only want grinders playing?
    If rec players don’t feel like they can put out a competitive team out there. Why would they play?

  • StopAndDrop

    @jbergey said…

    Unless you actually see what he writes, how would you know what edge it would give a new player?

    He can help and bad player become average, an average player become pretty good, but there is nothing he puts in his report that would make a bad player a great player. What he does is help people out. He doesnt use anything that cant be found other places. He may explain how to best use the information to be an effective player but he doesnt build your team. I find it interesting that you are so against this concept yet you visit this website.

    Jbergey, I;m a new member of Rotogrinders and I like discussing pick 5, suggesting new ideas and staying updated. I’m saying if you only choose players off Drews list every night you will have a competitive team every night, that is not good. Just a big rake swap. Also Miggy is saying Drew gives picks to his papa, that ain’t cool.

    Btw, are you a farmer? You look like a farmer I know.

  • jbergey

    @StopAndDrop said…

    Jbergey, I;m a new member of Rotogrinders and I like discussing pick 5, suggesting new ideas and staying updated. I’m saying if you only choose players off Drews list every night you will have a competitive team every night, that is not good. Just a big rake swap. Also Miggy is saying Drew gives picks to his papa, that ain’t cool.

    Btw, are you a farmer? You look like a farmer I know.

    OK, I just dont think the problem is as big as you may think.

    No I am not a farmer, lol. I live in a very rural farm area though.

  • StopAndDrop

    @TheBigTebowski said…

    Are you saying you only want grinders playing?
    If rec players don’t feel like they can put out a competitive team out there. Why would they play?

    Because DFS makes watching sports more fun? Thats what got me into it. And than if they have success they move up.

  • TheBigTebowski

    @viewfromtop said…

    pick 5’s and snake drafts are the way of the future if syndicates of 10 identical lu’s are allowed. Hope the affiliate $$ is worth it in two years. Giving a family member identical lu’s across different sport is flat out bad for DFS, would hope someone as intelligent and respected as Dink would recognize that.

    Online poker training was 1/5 as harmful as DFS and even that dried out games rather quick.

    Poker games didn’t dry up. They were shut down. If sites like Pokerstars and Full Tilt were still allowed in the states the games would have kept growing. IMHO..

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