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  • noddy

    What are your favorite sites for grinding cash games? Is it RG, Fangraphs, The BAT, Rotoql? Or a different one?

  • giantsfan12345

    i am a huge fantasy labs fan

  • noddy

    @mrmoz55 said...

    i am a huge fantasy labs fan

    Thank you. I know someone who wants to make an “investment” and start grinding cash pretty hard. Any input from you guys is appreciated.

  • noddy

    @mrmoz55 said...

    i am a huge fantasy labs fan

    I have been surfing this site and am currently watching their videos. Great stuff.

  • BmoreClutch

    I like Daily Fantasy Nerd

  • bhdevault

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    Yes, it may look like I’m biased, but I find everything I need using tools from here. I absolutely LOVE the Bat, but to be honest, I’ve done very well in MLB this year using my own spreadsheet pulling information from all sorts of different Research Tools here.

  • jimmyquinella

    • Blogger of the Month

    @bhdevault said...

    Yes, it may look like I’m biased, but I find everything I need using tools from here. I absolutely LOVE the Bat, but to be honest, I’ve done very well in MLB this year using my own spreadsheet pulling information from all sorts of different Research Tools here.

    Agree +1

  • VChair23

    I use RG, Labs, Dailyroto, and my own sheet. I work 8- 5-7 each night, so sometimes I have as little as 10 minutes to build my main lineup. I can only play on Aces though

  • tgs1976

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    The Bat is garbage. Anything that’s stupid enough to have Urias, against all the right handed power hitting bats of the Orioles, ranked as the top pitcher of the day is complete trash.

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    @tgs1976 said...

    The Bat is garbage. Anything that’s stupid enough to have Urias, against all the right handed power hitting bats of the Orioles, ranked as the top pitcher of the day is complete trash.

    Baltimore is ranked 3rd in wRC+ and #1 in ISO against righties. They’re ranked 19th in wRC+ and 7th in ISO against lefties. While he wasn’t my number one, I’ve been targeting left-handed pitchers against Baltimore all year. It was a negative ballpark shift for the Baltimore hitters.

    Again, he wasn’t my number one, but I could see how he’d be a high point per dollar type of play. The BAT factors in a lot of things, and while it’s easy to play results, it’s been a very solid tool this season.

  • epeng

    There’s a reddit user who has been keeping track of MLB projection correlations across 7 DFS tools sites that you may find interesting. Caveat: sample size is still small (n = 8).

    Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/dfsports/comments/4qlyn1/mlb_projection_accuracy_monday_627/

  • tvsfrink

    @tgs1976 said...

    The Bat is garbage. Anything that’s stupid enough to have Urias, against all the right handed power hitting bats of the Orioles, ranked as the top pitcher of the day is complete trash.

    It helped me cash in nine out of the eleven FD single entry contests last week and an overall 15th place finish…a $150 finish in a $3 tourney a few weeks back…and an overall profitable half-season…but yeah, it’s garbage.

  • divusjulius

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    @noddy i guess it depends on what you are looking for. first, a site like fangraphs is a research source, and it (or something very like it like baseball reference) will be something you use all the time when you get serious about learning the game. it also has good articles to learn about the stats and how they correlate together or can be made into actionable data, but its not very good for learning how to play dfs, or for daily touts.

    basically, there is the projection style tools, which try to estimate the players fantasy point production that night. The bat and rotoql seem to do this (interestingly, at least at rotoql you need to pick a stream of projection data, like dfsr (there are several other vendors) to feed into the machine. don’t know if that bat does this or already has it built in, as i’ve never used it.

    the other style of tools are what i call modeling tools (that may not be the correct term); these type of tools try, as accurately as possible, to create a profile or model of a player’s performance and his value, but not ho many points he will score that night. fantasylabs is this sort of site (dailyfantasynerd is a mix of the two). i really love fantasylabs, as the focus there is on learning how to become a solid dfs player, and how to pick players and make projections yourself, based on the models created with the tools there. its seems to me, and i could easily be wrong, that projection sites are more about picking players for you, and i’m not sure i see how one learns to be a better player from that. but of course, there’s nothing wrong with that style, to each his or her own.

  • topspinner

    I really like fantasy labs flexibility and their modeling. However, they don’t give you an anticipated number of fantasy points per player for baseball, which reduces the usefulness of their product, to me.

    I like daily fantasy nerd, but don’t like the fact that you can’t control the time period for their projections. For example you can weight recent perormance, but it is five games for pitcher and hitter, which is way too short a time period for the hitter. Also,they won’t tell you what their projections are based on.

    I have not tried the bat, because I believe in streakiness and Derek Carty does not and it I would like a short term trila to try before buying.

  • hobbes2d

    @topspinner said...

    I really like fantasy labs flexibility and their modeling. However, they don’t give you an anticipated number of fantasy points per player for baseball, which reduces the usefulness of their product, to me.

    I like daily fantasy nerd, but don’t like the fact that you can’t control the time period for their projections. For example you can weight recent perormance, but it is five games for pitcher and hitter, which is way too short a time period for the hitter. Also,they won’t tell you what their projections are based on.

    I have not tried the bat, because I believe in streakiness and Derek Carty does not and it I would like a short term trila to try before buying.

    See but if you play with the trends tool you can see expected point values for players that hit a certain trend for that day. But it’s kind of a hidden thing to find and can be really time consuming.

    I do like Fantasy Labs a lot but recently cancelled my subscription because I don’t feel like the premium benefits equal the cost of the product.

  • epeng

    @topspinner said...

    I like daily fantasy nerd, but don’t like the fact that you can’t control the time period for their projections. For example you can weight recent perormance, but it is five games for pitcher and hitter, which is way too short a time period for the hitter. Also,they won’t tell you what their projections are based on.

    This youtube video on MLB Stats and Strategies You Need to Know goes into some of the inputs into Daily Fantasy Nerd’s projection model:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEAaO21Z8H4&feature=youtu.be.

    It also has a lot of good info if you’re new to MLB DFS.

  • noddy

    Thanks everyone!

  • CJtheGrump

    This is something I’ve hesitated to do – most of these options cost money. If I’m to pay for research tools, I have to factor that in. To grind cash, there are figures saying you need to win ~60% of the time to be profitable in cash. I’m far too streaky right now, but adding in the additional cost raises that number to perhaps 70%.

    In short, I need to be reasonably certain of an increase in win% to justify the extra money.

    That said, it’s worth a shot. My process is extremely time-consuming and inconsistent. At the very least, I’d be paying for the convenience and time-savings.

  • noddy

    Obviously you have to raise your winning percentage if you pay for information, but I don’t think you need to win 70%. I don’t know that anyone can win 70% of cash games (H2H, 50/50’s, Double ups). Does anyone here win 60%? What is a reasonable winning rate in cash games? What is possible?

  • bcoggins429

    Shameless plug for the tools here and Daily Roto Sharks (friend of mine is a partner). They create a sortable spreadsheet daily for you. They also have video tutorials on how to use their information to decide on which players to use and it’s much cheaper than other research sites. I personally am a GPP guy and profit 4-5 days a week playing most every slate so I can only relate my experiences. If you’re on Twitter you could reach out to @xBenJamminx for more info.

  • CJtheGrump

    On my earlier thoughts, you have to account for rake a little bit. Cashing 50% of the time is treading water, but only if you’re in double ups. In 50/50s, it’s got to be 60% just to cover the rake and break even.

    I figure I’d bump the expected success rate up 10% to account for the cost of the research tools.

  • noddy

    If you win 56% of 50/50’s you make a small profit. Even at $60 per month to pay for research tools is only $2 per day so that doesn’t come close to another 10% winning percentage to cover the costs.

  • dpadilla

    For me, RG is pretty much everything I need for cash games, but I like using fantasy labs for GPPs. If you have the time to play with it you can create some really cool trends than can find players in better spots than they appear to the crowd. It’s kinda pricey, but if you have the time to play around with it labs can be really powerful

  • tommykarate

    @bhdevault said...

    Yes, it may look like I’m biased, but I find everything I need using tools from here. I absolutely LOVE the Bat, but to be honest, I’ve done very well in MLB this year using my own spreadsheet pulling information from all sorts of different Research Tools here.

    i also just use RG and Fangraphs (along with Twitter newsfeeds).

    I wish they would add a ceiling/consistency for MLB. I mentioned it to the support team earlier in the season.

  • tommykarate

    @CJtheGrump said...

    On my earlier thoughts, you have to account for rake a little bit. Cashing 50% of the time is treading water, but only if you’re in double ups. In 50/50s, it’s got to be 60% just to cover the rake and break even.

    I figure I’d bump the expected success rate up 10% to account for the cost of the research tools.

    60% on 50/50’s and you’re making money.
    56% is breaking even.

  • gettingthatgrind

    Guys,

    I’ve recently dug deep into DFS and I’m fully entrenched in the environment. I’ve come down to 2 final sites that I would like to subscribe to for my projections and etc. I would like to get everyone thoughts, opinions, pros and cons of both.

    FantasyLabs?
    RotoQL?

    Thanks all!

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