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  • MRCOOKONUTS

    Interesting..And Why?

  • noddy

    All the people on here that think the world is going to end crack me up. Come on folks. No one knows what is going to happen IF they merge. And there will be plenty of people playing DFS especially if it is legal in NY, etc. People still go to the casinos and horse races don’t they. And they lose most of the time there, but they keep going back.

  • GoBlue04

    The 30 for 30 on DFS in a few years is gonna be so good…and upsetting.

  • Chuky

    @noddy said...

    All the people on here that think the world is going to end crack me up. Come on folks. No one knows what is going to happen IF they merge. And there will be plenty of people playing DFS especially if it is legal in NY, etc. People still go to the casinos and horse races don’t they. And they lose most of the time there, but they keep going back.

    That’s the point I’m trying to make to thedude404 but he’s not getting it.

  • Chuky

    @thedude404 said...

    people are still playing, so people arent wising up?

    1. so you are saying people need to wise up?
    2. just because people are playing doesnt mean that MORE people are playing

    There are big prize pools for one reason. I mean, you do realize DFS (or what people call dfs now) wasnt always like this, right?

    Lets put it this way. I used to be able to enter ANY contest and feel I had a chance to win. Now I feel like I have to get lucky. Completely different product than existed a few years ago. Some may say its not even DFS…………

    Dude u are all over the place. Why do u feel like it’s luck now? It’s because more players are playing than 2 years ago hence bigger prize pools. It doesn’t matter if u feel that way, ppl will not stop play dfs, just for the reasons given. Also if u feel like it’s not dfs anymore why continue to play?

  • walkoff9

    • 691

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    They better keep PGA.

  • teamcdot

    @thedude404 said...

    people are still playing, so people arent wising up?

    1. so you are saying people need to wise up?
    2. just because people are playing doesnt mean that MORE people are playing

    There are big prize pools for one reason. I mean, you do realize DFS (or what people call dfs now) wasnt always like this, right?

    Lets put it this way. I used to be able to enter ANY contest and feel I had a chance to win. Now I feel like I have to get lucky. Completely different product than existed a few years ago. Some may say its not even DFS…………

    This. DFS isn’t even fun anymore, I haven’t played in awhile and don’t plan on playing again until NFL season and then I probably won’t be around long. DFS has lost its luster, it’s not even worth being a hobby anymore.

  • tmarohl

    I would hate it just for the playing experience. I don’t like much about Draftkings. I hate the interface. I hate the utility players, I hate having two starting pitchers. I just don’t like much about that site.

  • HardCore

    If they merge, THEY will be the reason DFS dies not the sates smh between rake and sharks if its only 1 site DFS will become impossible to profit off and pointless to play but who am i what do i know.

  • MrFantasy

    @HardCore said...

    If they merge, THEY will be the reason DFS dies not the sates smh between rake and sharks if its only 1 site DFS will become impossible to profit off and pointless to play but who am i what do i know.

    I agree with this but you need to keep in mind that all of these sites that operate don’t care if you win or lose. They are out to do what will make them the most money and if people are still playing with a 20% rake then 20% rake is what they’ll charge.

    Every year it gets tougher to make money in DFS. If these two sites merge I think more harm will be done than good for us players.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @walkoff9 said...

    They better keep PGA.

    THIS. If they merge and there is no Golf, Soccer, or Nascar, I am likely done with DFS. They are the most enjoyable sports to play. They already took away my favorite and most profitable sports in college basketball and college football.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    THIS. If they merge and there is no Golf, Soccer, or Nascar, I am likely done with DFS. They are the most enjoyable sports to play. They already took away my favorite and most profitable sports in college basketball and college football.

    ^^^^^ This. I’d pretty much only have NFL anyway if this were the case.. maaaaybe NHL. On another note, my PGA and total DFS playing in general is on hiatus till NFL after this weekend so some of you might have a chance to move up on me in ranking.

  • Heterodox

    Why do people assume a merged company will take on the form of one or the other? I would think they’d offer two products. Or just combine networks/player pools and operate different skins like poker companies frequently do.

    And do people think they compete as it is? The existence of two sites hasn’t prevented rake increases in the past. Competition didn’t prompt either to get out ahead of the scripting or mass entry controversies. DK offering a contest CSV hasn’t forced FD to provide one, which is insane. Neither has embraced single-entry/smaller contests/more transparency as a way of gaining an advantage on the other, even in the wake of scandals and outrage. They are two colluding sites, catering to the same close-knit network of high-stakes players, touts, and affiliates, running on similar principles and with the exact same goals. If anything, a merger just makes it official.

  • noddy

    Of course you can still profit in dfs and that wouldn’t change if they merged. Now if the rake goes way up then it would be tough. So much negative speculation in this thread.

  • PigskinaBlanket

    • 435

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    • Ranked #80

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    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • x3

      2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    Not sure how they would get through HSR to merge imho

  • Prisoncoptodd

    Everything depends on RAKE

  • jdelsas

    Withdrawing funds (except for what I plan to play with in the near future) just in case DK is having more issues than they are leading on.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @Prisoncoptodd said...

    Everything depends on RAKE

    That voice always gets lost in the pursuit of a big score.

  • bigloser11

    @Heterodox said...

    They are two colluding sites, catering to the same close-knit network of high-stakes players, touts, and affiliates, running on similar principles and with the exact same goals. If anything, a merger just makes it official.

    I think that is a good point but these sites need a ton of small players.It goes beyond DFS.I live in CT
    and we had a lotto player hit the 1 mill. $ prize 2x.He was very open to say he played a lot of tickets / week.
    Look no further than the top guy here, he plays big $ per day.But what good would it be if there were only a few
    big players and no small players.

    Someone earlier mentioned big investors. I thought Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are involved.That kind of $$
    has to have influence in many circles , legal to political to all else.

  • FFguru71

    I HOPE beyond hope with a merger that they would do more, much more to limit entries. Like 10 per contest or something…then let’s see how good/how often guys like Max are winning consistently. I disagree that it would harm the big prize pools and make them smaller…because I think there are a lot of people that don’t play, or have quit DFS because they get pissed off at all the entries the people with big $$ throw out there. Limit that and I’d bet those people will come back, thus making up for whatever entries you’d lose by putting a limit on it…besides I’d bet anything, a millionaire maker NFL contest would fill regardless of all the multi entries.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @FFguru71 said...

    I HOPE beyond hope with a merger that they would do more, much more to limit entries. Like 10 per contest or something…then let’s see how good/how often guys like Max are winning consistently. I disagree that it would harm the big prize pools and make them smaller…because I think there are a lot of people that don’t play, or have quit DFS because they get pissed off at all the entries the people with big $$ throw out there. Limit that and I’d bet those people will come back, thus making up for whatever entries you’d lose by putting a limit on it…besides I’d bet anything, a millionaire maker NFL contest would fill regardless of all the multi entries.

    Like this too. I mean if state lotteries can survive with 50% rake, DFS can surely do so if sold right. Reason lotteries are around is TRUST despite being 100% pure dumb luck and a high rake.

    As of last September, I was getting people involved right and left. Now I’m at social gatherings with my head down anytime I talk about DFS. Biggest perception- “Insider Trading”. You don’t have to tell me this is an intellectually better idea than the lottery, but the public at large, even multi year season long participants, doesn’t see it that way. Getting CA, NY, IL, FL and PA codified that DFS is all good will help matters a lot and in 7 minutes the PA bill will be discussed in Committee.

  • KillaChap

    Hey, this might not be a bad thing. We can get FanDuel’s far superior platform with DraftKings far superior rostering and scoring. But really, anyone thinking DFS is going to be around forever is probably kidding themselves. The government doesn’t like people making money it can’t tax more than it already does and the small guys are sooner or later going to quit because the big guys keep beating them senseless. I just hope those who quit their “real jobs” to do this full time have been investing their money wisely.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @KillaChap said...

    Hey, this might not be a bad thing. We can get FanDuel’s far superior platform with DraftKings far superior rostering and scoring. But really, anyone thinking DFS is going to be around forever is probably kidding themselves. The government doesn’t like people making money it can’t tax more than it already does and the small guys are sooner or later going to quit because the big guys keep beating them senseless. I just hope those who quit their “real jobs” to do this full time have been investing their money wisely.

    I don’t agree with this. I think the only issue DFS has is perception that needs to turn the corner quickly. People will blow their money on less skilled garbage like lottery tickets and slot machines and keep coming back despite losing money.

    Poker would still be thriving if the regulatory crap didn’t get in the way. The 1980s through 2000s, America was in a Nanny/Police State mood. That’s what did poker in. I feel this decade has become more libertarian hence why I feel DFS has a better shot of survival than poker. If sold correctly and trusted, DFS will thrive. Unfortunately it was sold incorrectly and we are still dealing with politicians from both parties that are still on the 1980s Nanny State mood.

  • Battery1975

    My main concern with this is the fact I live in Texas. A merger probably means dk will pull out I fear. Hope I’m wrong

  • depalma13

    @PJGuin23 said...

    Like this too. I mean if state lotteries can survive with 50% rake, DFS can surely do so if sold right. Reason lotteries are around is TRUST despite being 100% pure dumb luck and a high rake.

    The reason lotteries are around is state governments prey on their poorest constituents. The lottery is nothing more than a tax on the poor.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @depalma13 said...

    The reason lotteries are around is state governments prey on their poorest constituents. The lottery is nothing more than a tax on the poor.

    Which is why any “concerns” or consumer protection arguments against DFS fall on deaf ears with me. Unfortunately most of the public at large can’t see the forest through the trees. Like a casino or state lottery is to be “trusted”.

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