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  • yanks237

    First off this article was inspired by sethayates’ article “The Great Multi-Entry Debate” Give it a read as it poses some very interesting questions and brings out great data!

    Some background information on myself, as I am fairly new to rotogrinders. I am a recent college graduate with a degree in mathematics. I will be beginning my masters in Data Analytics in the fall semester. I am also an avid baseball fan. I have just recently dived into the world of sabermetrics and have begun to use it towards my daily fantasy play. I began DFS back in Fall 2011 with fantasy football. A good friend and me split our entry fees and we were very successful for the first couple weeks, cashing multiple times in GPPs. By the end of the season we were both up quite a bit and we were ready to cash. During the Conference Championship weekend we decided to give it one more shot. My friend was abroad in Spain and we did a Skype call, and with little research we ended up fading the public of the Patriots and stacked the Ravens. (We had no idea that we did this, it just happened). We went from 5th to 1st place on Tom Brady’s interception by the Raven’s defense, winning $7500. Yes, I was now HOOKED, I went from broke college student to buying my roommates and myself a nice big screen TV for the Superbowl with a whole bunch of spending money left. The next few years that beginner’s luck quickly faded away.

    I then tested my luck at DFS baseball for the next few years but quickly became frustrated as I was not doing the proper research and failed to cash. This year I came across RotoGrinders and have been overwhelmed with all the information I have been neglecting. I am taking it day by day and am attempting to learn as much as possible! My scores are becoming better each day but I am still struggling to turn a profit. With my bankroll the Quarter Arcades always intrigued me and after coming across sethayates’ article I believe this is a great opportunity to do some research on the subject. Sorry for the long introduction but I just wanted to show you guys how I truly am a BEGINNER in this field!

    GUIDELINES:
    -10 Distinct Lineups a day entered into the same Quarter Arcade for 10 days ($2.50 a day, $25 total)
    -Using RotoGrinder’s Vegas Lines I will select the ten top run total teams, and stack these lineups
    -Each stack will attempt to place 6 players (the max) into the lineup, if this will take to much of my salary cap I may have to reduce to 5, and hopefully not but 4 may be necessary
    -This will not be ten consecutive days, as I would rather do it over 18-20 days and have the proper research put in then to just throw some lineups together based on luck

    NOTES:
    -I will be tinkering around a bit with pitching; I’m thinking half of my lineups I will choose pitching first then build my lineup around my remaining salary cap. While the other half I will build my stack first then choose my pitching based on lower salary but high ceiling
    -I am not claiming to be a professional, let alone an above average DFS player so take this data with a grain of salt.

    Finally, please feel free to post any suggestions or critiques of what I am doing. I plan on posting results everyday from the night before, and will be willing to tinker my strategy each night. I hope we all learn a lot from this journey!

  • MrMadness001

    So 1 day into this little experiment here’s how last night went.

    8 LU’s Entered into the DK Quarter Arcade Challenge.

    I tried to fit in pitchers I liked most on the day in every LU. But I wound up not liking that I started picking pitchers for the sake of picking different pitchers. Probably going to change that today.

    My bats were created stack heavy. I picked 8 different teams and then selected 6 hitters from those teams that would fit my budget with the pitchers I selected. The last two spots usually went to players I really liked on the day.

    To keep this short I will just give the high/low on the day

    High Score – 144 – Brewers Stack, Archer/Scherzer
    Low Score – 75.25 – Nats Stack, Scherzer/Jimenez

    Since I have been a strict FD player up until now the ability to do such a heavy team stack is definitely interesting. I am going to try to implement some of the tactics I use on FD today as well as try some more heavy 6 man team stacks.

  • yanks237

    Nice MrMadness001- I also had a nationals stack last night, not for this challenge (not enough time today for 10 lineup) and they strongly dissapointed. But that of course is going to happen. Continue to tinker as I firmly believe stacking may be the best technique!

  • jsahly

    I saw you late at one point in the top 100 last night Yanks!

  • MrMadness001

    Stacked 8 LU’s on Saturday’s early slate since it had the most games to offer. Of course this time around my bats were OK but I went heavy with Harvey/Miller and that killed any chance of cashing.

    Highest Score – 94.7 Rangers Stack, Harvey/Miller
    Lowest Score – 53.7 Indians Stack, Harvey/Miller

    Day 1 – Won 0.75, Played 2.00 = -1.25
    Day 2 – Won 0, Played 2.00 = -2.00
    Total ROI = -3.25

    I have to say after just 2 days and 16 LU’s I have a new respect for the guys with the ability to bankroll 40-50 LU’s or more a day and still profit.

    I took a break for today to focus on my first ever entry into Daily Nascar. But will be back at the grind tomorrow and will keep the updates with my results coming.

  • yanks237

    Jsahaly- thanks man, getting used to stacking a bit more. Have only done 2 full days of stacking, my second blog post will be out tomorrow. Did a couple lineups this weekend with the little time I had left and did well with some and poor with others. Will have an update tomorrow

    MrMadness001- let me know how nascar went and yeah building and managing these lineups is not as easy as anyone believes. I can’t imagine the guys with 1000s on the line every night

  • Jschmitz2011

    Have been trying this out as well for the past few days and hit it big last night placing 8th in the 2k Quarter Arcade with a Cubs stack along with Bolsinger/Wright. This finish was good enough to cash out with $9. Over the past four days that I have been playing I like to enter around six lineups. Using four of them to stack the teams I believe have the best chance to score many runs. I then fit in the two pitchers I like the best that leave me with a reasonable amount of cash left to fill my final roster spots. The final two rosters I usually like to fit in players who are currently on a hot streak and are in good matchups for the day. So far I am up about $8 just playing the arcade. So, without the big win last night I was sitting right about even for my first couple days. I tend to cash at least one line up a night which is nice and then if i hit more than one I usually end up making money. However the early slate today I am not going to cash any line ups because I so smartly decided to roll with Joe Kelly in all but one of my line ups and he landed me a solid -15.65 points. Its a tough hole to dig yourself out of lol. Look forward to hearing how other peoples experiences are going!

  • MrMadness001

    I didn’t stack anything today and went back to my 1 LU in the bunt on Fanduel. Part of me wants to play everyday but another part of me wants to learn more before I really get more heavy action in on a given night.

    What I do find funny is as of late it seems every day now a team throws up 6-10+ runs.

    As for my Coca Cola 600 DFS entry. I did 2 LU’s @ 3 bucks a pop in the 100K Slingshot on DK and wound up cashing 10 dollars on 1 LU. I really enjoyed playing and will definitely be back at the races next weekend.

  • nspace

    @crazypaul said...

    After reading the same blog post, I attempted this the other night for the first time and only cashed 2 of 12 lineups. The biggest thing I learned was how hard it was to actually make and check up on 12 lineups. I can’t imagine what the stress and process the sharks that do this must go through daily.

    Exactly! How are some of these guys entering 500+ entires?!!!

  • yanks237

    It’s absolutely insane how they do it! I’m not against multi-entry guys at all, they make the business thrive. From this experience I’ve come to respect them. I can’t imagine how they handle all the lineups but props to them!

  • kantiger77

    I’ve been using the quarter arcade to practice too. Only ran a couple lineups today but ran several last night and all but one came up a bit short but thankfully won my two H 2 H.. All based on your strategy. Today was a bit odd as most all the games were day games so I kind of punted for today. But I’m doing the same thing — I refuse to even enter a moonshot right now because I don’t want to burn my cash while I’m learning. Like a lot of folks, I did that for a while after some initial success and I lost about $50 doing it.

  • donfrap

    I’ve started doing this as well, 5 days now, hit a 5th place on saturday night (bolsinger plus cubs stack) for $15 and pretty much broke even every other day. I try to play a few 50/50s to make up for any possible losses.

    I started the first couple of days taking 12 teams i liked and stacking them once with a core of pitchers and plug in players. I’ve now changed to taking 4-5 teams i really like and making 3-4 different stacks with pitchers and plug in players. I’ve been trying to play 12-16 teams a night, but it is tough getting that many lineups in and i have missed a few players being out once lineups hit.

    Maybe we need to start some sort of support group for aspiring quarter arcade grinders?

  • kantiger77

    @donfrap said...

    I’ve started doing this as well, 5 days now, hit a 5th place on saturday night (bolsinger plus cubs stack) for $15 and pretty much broke even every other day. I try to play a few 50/50s to make up for any possible losses.

    I started the first couple of days taking 12 teams i liked and stacking them once with a core of pitchers and plug in players. I’ve now changed to taking 4-5 teams i really like and making 3-4 different stacks with pitchers and plug in players. I’ve been trying to play 12-16 teams a night, but it is tough getting that many lineups in and i have missed a few players being out once lineups hit.

    Maybe we need to start some sort of support group for aspiring quarter arcade grinders?

    I love that idea. I think there are more of us than we think! :)

  • donfrap

    Anyone have any luck last night? I only had 1 min cash in the late arcade.

    I used Kluber, Kennedy, Sabathis and Farmer mostly for pitchers and that killed me.

    Also didn’t hit any good stacks besides the Indians.

    Plugin players did well – Burns, McCann

    Did anyone do any good stacking last night?

    Rough night!

  • kjkeelty

    Best DK score last night was around 150, pretty happy with that.

    Heston/Kluber on the mound, plus 3 man PITT stack (Walker, Kang, Harrison) did the job. Solid game from Brett Gardner too.

  • kantiger77

    I had a Pirates stack that barely cashed…if it had better pitchers it would have been very high.

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