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  • BB4E

    Seriously though guys, this is getting to be a bit much. I have played nearly every day for the past two NBA seasons, but I think I’m about to give it up. This is the first time since I started that I feel like I can’t win or that the chances are beyond slim. Last week I entered a $2 dollar 10 man where Chipotleaddict and youdacao entered after me, and they proceeded to put up a 356 and a 345. Almost all of us flat out cant compete with this.

    I know this has been said about 1000 times in every way possible, but I think DFS is dead in a couple of years at this rate. I don’t know how the sites are going to regulate this but they need to figure it out… like quick.

  • g_nagy

    I’ve personally switched a lot more of my action to Yahoo. 3% lower rake than FD/DK, at least in the GPP’s I play. Way fewer pros on the Y and late swap is really nice to have, too.

  • StanHalen

    I would suggest you use the NBA thread on this board to find players who are interested in a $2 contest. You could start with a H2H and post the results to see if you can get others interested. There are probably a bunch of people who play NBA who feel the same way as you about the public contests they have been entering. It might take some work and marketing to build it up to 10 players or whatever amount you want, but ultimately you may end up with a group of people you can play against who are similar in bankroll, skill, etc. To me, the ability to do your own thing is the best feature of the leagues option that DK rolled out.

  • MikeMineo

    Confused why there aren’t more GPPs and cash games that exclude people with ‘Highly Experienced’ badges on FD. not enough rake to be gained from that, I guess.

  • BB4E

    I honestly think that the only way to prevent professionals from joining a 2 dollar contest is to limit the overall entries per day to the point that a pro would never waste their time on it. The sites of course wont do this because it lowers their rake… which is laughable because soon there will be nothing to rake.

    This shit is the poker equivalent of sitting down to a low stakes 10 man sit-n-go and having Phil Ivey sitting across the table from you. It’s just completely ridiculous.

  • thunderdan63

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    I feel your pain. I am a loyal customer of FD, DK, but also play on yahoo and fantasydraft. It really sucks that it seems like the sharks are taking over the industry. I know both DK and FD have created the friends mode – but I don’t see that as a full time solution.

    I am disgruntled – I play nba every day and I have my good and bad days, but having lineups in the 320-330 range that don’t cash – even in 50-50s SUCKS.

  • KillaChap

    @MikeMineo said...

    Confused why there aren’t more GPPs and cash games that exclude people with ‘Highly Experienced’ badges on FD. not enough rake to be gained from that, I guess.

    I have a Highly Experienced badge but it isn’t because I’m any good. That badge can be misleading.

  • BB4E

    @KillaChap said...

    I have a Highly Experienced badge but it isn’t because I’m any good. That badge can be misleading.

    I have the badge too. I am a minimally profitable player over the past two years, but I can’t hold my own against Chipotleaddict, like 99.5% of the people who play DFS.

  • britdevine

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    On Fanduel you are limited to 250 entries per slate at $10 and below for NBA

    https://www.fanduel.com/contest-entry-limits

    It really limits the action the pros can get at low stakes, I’d suggest you play there as DK seems to have no intention of limiting it

  • BB4E

    @britdevine said...

    On Fanduel you are limited to 250 entries per slate at $10 and below for NBA

    It really limits the action the pros can get at low stakes, I’d suggest you play there as DK seems to have no intention of limiting it

    Good to know, Brit. I used to play Fanduel but switched over to DK.

  • KillaChap

    It would seem as if there would be a business model aimed at getting beginners and less successful people to be successful so they can then turn into sharks or higher entry folks which would increase the profit and the viability of the industry. One can dream….

  • deejones49

    I got an experience badge when i post heads up the pros scoop me up like the fish i am

  • rainbowtroutman

    I’m just waiting for legalized sports betting. Good article yesterday,will be here within 2 years.

  • Heterodox

    @BB4E said...

    but I think DFS is dead in a couple of years at this rate.

    A couple years? This might be one of the more optimistic sentiments I’ve seen in a while.

  • heyfeefellskee

    I was scared of pros scooping me up when I create H2H but I’ve been pretty consistent in still winning 80% of the H2H since I’ve decided to create mass contests. NFL, though, so I’m not sure if that makes a difference.

  • Heterodox

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    I’m just waiting for legalized sports betting. Good article yesterday,will be here within 2 years.

    What makes you think it won’t be the same people, or the same types at least, dominating that as well? I’m sure there are plenty of current DFS pros who are already preparing for the next wave, or who already have access to the British sites, which will give them a huge edge when it comes here.

    I don’t know how much people pay attention to sports betting, but it’s way closer to actual trading than to the old-school guy at the end of the bar giving odds and calling in bets from a payphone, and when it gets legalized here there will be all sorts of different ways for those who have access to data, and the skills to make proper use of it, to dominate the average bettor, just like in DFS.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Heterodox said...

    What makes you think it won’t be the same people, or the same types at least, dominating that as well? I’m sure there are plenty of current DFS pros who are already preparing for the next wave, or who already have access to the British sites, which will give them a huge edge when it comes here.

    I don’t know how much people pay attention to sports betting, but it’s way closer to actual trading than to the old-school guy at the end of the bar giving odds and calling in bets from a payphone, and when it gets legalized here there will be all sorts of different ways for those who have access to data, and the skills to make proper use of it, to dominate the average bettor, just like in DFS.

    Grew up on sports betting. You are betting on teams,how can a “pro” gain an unfair advantage? I mean,if the Lions are favored by 3 over the Bears,you make
    your choice. It is just like the guy at the end of the bar giving odds and calling in bets from a payphone. Not complicated at all.

  • hogger67

    @britdevine said...

    On Fanduel you are limited to 250 entries per slate at $10 and below for NBA

    https://www.fanduel.com/contest-entry-limits

    It really limits the action the pros can get at low stakes, I’d suggest you play there as DK seems to have no intention of limiting it

    So I’m guessing that entering cash games closer to lock might be a good idea? Hope the pros use up all their games earlier…

  • CUTiger81

    I don’t typically play cash for NBA so I’m not sure how it is there but for NFL I just play a larger number of small $ contests with big fields on both FD and DK. DK and FD both have large single entry double ups at the $1 & $2 level. DK you can get in $1 & $2 300-man 50/50’s (they’re only 100-man max on FD). I never post h2h’s. Only scoop. I also keep a spreadsheet of my h2h matchups so I can know if someone’s beaten me 3-4 times in a row and their roster is really sharp then it’s someone I’ll just avoid picking up going forward. And before anyone complains ab h2h tracking….the really, really poor players never post h2h’s consistently enough to gain any edge from knowing they stink anyways.

    I don’t blame the pros for scooping as much fish action as they can – can’t say I wouldn’t do the same thing without having ever been in that position but I do understand why it’s discouraging and wish there was a compromise. Hell – even if the pros just stayed out of the $1 non-GPP games it would at least give the new players a place to play for an extended period of time (longer than beginner or casual contests allow). For me personally I don’t really care if the pros are in my contests b/c I have gotten my entry strategy sharp enough over 3 years of playing that I’m not in contests typically where I feel like they have a huge affect on my ROI.

  • BB4E

    @CUTiger81 said...

    For me personally I don’t really care if the pros are in my contests b/c I have gotten my entry strategy sharp enough over 3 years of playing that I’m not in contests typically where I feel like they have a huge affect on my ROI.

    I agree, I don’t mind playing against them in large scale contests, and to tell you the truth that’s where I place the majority of my entries.

    But I would really enjoy being able to play a low stakes cash game without 3 of the top 10 in the world sitting next to me.

  • squidkill

    @Heterodox said...

    What makes you think it won’t be the same people, or the same types at least, dominating that as well? I’m sure there are plenty of current DFS pros who are already preparing for the next wave, or who already have access to the British sites, which will give them a huge edge when it comes here.

    I don’t know how much people pay attention to sports betting, but it’s way closer to actual trading than to the old-school guy at the end of the bar giving odds and calling in bets from a payphone, and when it gets legalized here there will be all sorts of different ways for those who have access to data, and the skills to make proper use of it, to dominate the average bettor, just like in DFS.

    lol good luck to them “pros” they wont have anything to do me when I place a bet legally

  • CUTiger81

    @BB4E said...

    I agree, I don’t mind playing against them in large scale contests, and to tell you the truth that’s where I place the majority of my entries.

    But I would really enjoy being able to play a low stakes cash game without 3 of the top 10 in the world sitting next to me.

    For sure…it would be really nice to be able to play a $1 or $2 3-man, 5-man or 10-man without dealing with that. It’s just the way things are currently though. I just feel like there’s enough games out there where they aren’t affecting much of the ROI, or at least it’s offset by an equal portion of the field who don’t know what the hell they are doing.

  • ajs1281

    @britdevine said...

    On Fanduel you are limited to 250 entries per slate at $10 and below for NBA

    https://www.fanduel.com/contest-entry-limits

    It really limits the action the pros can get at low stakes, I’d suggest you play there as DK seems to have no intention of limiting it

    One clarification, it is contests, not entries. I would love to see it really be entries (even if that number was 500-1000) rather than contests. Figure 150 for the shot, then maxing out a train in every Double/Triple etc under $10 and they are still getting a ton of exposure to these low end contests while only counting for 10-15 of the total contests for the slate. This lets them still jump into every 3,5,10, 20 person tourney because of the high number of contests they are allowed to enter. The rule is there so FD can say they put something in place, but really 250 contests, per slate is a ridiculous number.

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    @ajs1281 said...

    One clarification, it is contests, not entries. I would love to see it really be entries (even if that number was 500-1000) rather than contests. Figure 150 for the shot, then maxing out a train in every Double/Triple etc under $10 and they are still getting a ton of exposure to these low end contests while only counting for 10-15 of the total contests for the slate. This lets them still jump into every 3,5,10, 20 person tourney because of the high number of contests they are allowed to enter. The rule is there so FD can say they put something in place, but really 250 contests, per slate is a ridiculous number.

    So much this!!

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    If people are worried about “DFS” pros…Good luck with beating Vegas.

    NBA has just been ridiculous in general this year…You can pick one of about twenty issues on either site that have made it not enjoyable for many players.

    I do agree that this kind of practice isn’t great for the sports long term growth. To me it’s always felt like stealing pennies today when you can make dollars later. The money is going to rise toward the top, so why not allow casual/newer players to battle it out in these games, create loyal players and allow the industry to grow…
    That said, I’m guessing cash game means 50/50…A few top guys isn’t going to skew the field that much. You just hope it’s a balance from those types to awful players and everything in between.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    f people are worried about “DFS” pros…Good luck with beating Vegas.

    I bet football every week and win mostly every week I decide to play.. There is usually one game in the NFL where I see a weakness in the Vegas line. I don’t bet just to bet,I only bet when I see an advantage. Game selection is really key in sports betting.

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