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  • BB4E

    Seriously though guys, this is getting to be a bit much. I have played nearly every day for the past two NBA seasons, but I think I’m about to give it up. This is the first time since I started that I feel like I can’t win or that the chances are beyond slim. Last week I entered a $2 dollar 10 man where Chipotleaddict and youdacao entered after me, and they proceeded to put up a 356 and a 345. Almost all of us flat out cant compete with this.

    I know this has been said about 1000 times in every way possible, but I think DFS is dead in a couple of years at this rate. I don’t know how the sites are going to regulate this but they need to figure it out… like quick.

  • tonytone1908

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    I’m just waiting for legalized sports betting. Good article yesterday,will be here within 2 years.

    I could care less. I’m terrible at sports betting, horses, lottery, scratchoffs, etc. The only thing I feel like I have half a chance at is DFS. Maybe it’s because I feel more in control even though it still all comes down to a million different variables and dumbfuck luck.

  • whodat2

    @CUTiger81 said...

    For sure…it would be really nice to be able to play a $1 or $2 3-man, 5-man or 10-man without dealing with that.

    That’s what friend’s leagues can do for you.

  • Epicsic

    @StanHalen said...

    I would suggest you use the NBA thread on this board to find players who are interested in a $2 contest. You could start with a H2H and post the results to see if you can get others interested. There are probably a bunch of people who play NBA who feel the same way as you about the public contests they have been entering. It might take some work and marketing to build it up to 10 players or whatever amount you want, but ultimately you may end up with a group of people you can play against who are similar in bankroll, skill, etc. To me, the ability to do your own thing is the best feature of the leagues option that DK rolled out.

    I suggest not to use the forum thread on here. Rotogrinders has amazing content but the chat in the forum can lead you down a bad road of depending on the thread info which a lot of time is just people throwing out there favorite plays without any reason why. There is a reason they are in the thread to get picks usually because they can’t research on there own and want someone else to do it for them. A lot of people in there give out fantasy lab picks too which is wrong.

  • pinstripeblue

    agree with post above….try building your own LU…stay away from the podcasts, the “experts” with baseball caps, various websites….the players you DONT hear about are usually the ones that are in the winning lineups (i.e. gasol, beverley, hayward, gibson)..i didnt hear anything about any of these guys during the day….

  • JimKronlund

    I dont care where people get their information to build a LU. Just make it a unique LU to you.
    As far as “experts”. There cannot be an expert that can disseminate winning lu’s everyday and in multiple sports.
    If you buy into it then it is only yourself to blame. Its been said a thousand times. If you could predict these outcomes profitably then there is no chance in hell you would waste your time and sharing the winnings.
    Pretty fucking obvious.

  • JCULL

    Most of today’s DFS “pros” will go the way of the big early online poker players, away. Once the field evens out and the unfair edges are gone things will even out…. or DFS will be gone forever.

    Some of those poker players are here now… they’re “angle shooters”.

    Every DFS “pro” who also sells tips is an angle shooter. You take all their tips but never do a fraction as well as they do… hmmmmm

  • JCULL

    If I got lessons from Phil Ivey you better believe my poker game would improve…. Take lessons from a “DFS Pro” and you’ll keep losing.

  • Heffner

    I don’t have any problem with the high volume players making money and placing the maximum amount of lineups into any of the contests that are at the $3 range or above (as long as there is no collusion). However, do they really need to be playing in the low end contests ($1-$2)? Not only do they make DFS less enjoyable for the casual player, but they are going to end up killing the golden goose. This is for the DFS sites to fix…. To read of instances where these high volume players collude with each other to dominate these low end contests is quite frankly disgusting. Does DK or FD not give a shit about the long term health of the DFS industry?

  • btwice80

    @ajs1281 said...

    One clarification, it is contests, not entries. I would love to see it really be entries (even if that number was 500-1000) rather than contests. Figure 150 for the shot, then maxing out a train in every Double/Triple etc under $10 and they are still getting a ton of exposure to these low end contests while only counting for 10-15 of the total contests for the slate. This lets them still jump into every 3,5,10, 20 person tourney because of the high number of contests they are allowed to enter. The rule is there so FD can say they put something in place, but really 250 contests, per slate is a ridiculous number.

    This is wrong. The limit is 250 total entries at $10 or less. If you max out the Shot you’ll have 100 entries left. If you put all those in a big double up you won’t be able to enter any more low stakes contests.

  • JimKronlund

    Just for a point of interest I am a Max LU player in Golf only. I am ranked 34th. Sounds ok right? Well overall I am not profitable. Just like winning big money in a GPP you need to be in the top 6. Those that are betting the big money on most sports and ranked really low. I still wonder if they are truly profitable or just are addicted and can afford (or not) the losses.
    Why would a player like Saalihsud create a site similar to fantasy labs if he was that profitable!
    Just fodder for thought.

  • pinstripeblue

    Dont mistake a “pro” for someone who has a magic formula to make lineups…it is just someone who has the funds to mass enter large buy-in tourneys…if they put in 100 LU, a handful are bound to land in the money and sometimes on the first page…check out some of the tourneys last night (dunk, etc..) the so-called pros have many more losing LU then winning ones…the advantage in the large buy-in tourneys is that the field is much smaller (and less competition) than what some of us casual players have to deal with in the swat and dribbler.(29,000 entries)..its basically a numbers game,,,no one has a magic bullet or formula to predict who will score what on any particular night

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Heffner said...

    However, do they really need to be playing in the low end contests ($1-$2)? Not only do they make DFS less enjoyable for the casual player, but they are going to end up killing the golden goose.

    Good point— As a matter of fact,one person that plays high volume has a post on this very page and he is in my $1 50/50 every week on Aces,mass entering the max.

  • btwice80

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    Good point— As a matter of fact,one person that plays high volume has a post on this very page and he is in my $1 50/50 every week on Aces,mass entering the max.

    If you’re referring to me, lol at even insinuating I’m a pro. I’m not even DFS profitable in 2016, trying to claw my way back to break-even. As for Aces specifically, they only offer a small selection of 50/50s, many of which have a field size of less than 20, so of course I’m going to enter the few large fields that are available.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @btwice80 said...

    If you’re referring to me, lol at even insinuating I’m a pro. I’m not even DFS profitable in 2016, trying to claw my way back to break-even. As for Aces specifically, they only offer a small selection of 50/50s, many of which have a field size of less than 20, so of course I’m going to enter the few large fields that are available.

    still you are ranked 453 / 34,293 and I am ranked 25,000 out of 34k—-sooo even though you might not be profitable (and I have been) you are better at this than me,so why should I even play. I quit DFS 2 weeks ago after seeing Condia,Daut, and yes you in every 50/50 I enter. Not good optics

  • dude_abides7

    Seems like this topic (or similar) makes up 1/3 of the message board these days.

    Think anything will change? Not unless Dateline or 20/20 does another expose.

    Keep on paying in boys…the water is nice and warm. Nothing to see here.

    (And while you are at it…Build a better Lineup)

  • wolfjb1

    I don’t get this at all. Why did you quit after seeing top ranked players in your H2H???

  • JimKronlund

    Rankings are so misleading. Mass enter will get several teams into 150th ish when lucky. Thats $10 measly dollars.
    Just breaking even is extremely hard to do and that in of to itself feels like a win.
    You say your profitable and he is not. Then that should show you that you should not be afraid of him.

  • dude_abides7

    @wolfjb1 said...

    I don’t get this at all. Why did you quit after seeing top ranked players in your H2H???

    He sees top ranked players in EVERY ONE of his H2H’s at or below the $5 mark.

    Would you be cool with Doyle Brunson squatting down in your casual $1/$2 Holdem game every time you sat down?

  • JimKronlund

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Seems like this topic (or similar) makes up 1/3 of the message board these days.

    So true.
    I just take a stand when people think the mass entry players are the doom for all. High level strategic collusion is the issue not mass entry.

  • btwice80

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Think anything will change? Not unless Dateline or 20/20 does another expose.

    Evidently, the first thing that needs to change is people’s perception of what a DFS pro is.

  • dude_abides7

    @btwice80 said...

    Evidently, the first thing that needs to change is people’s perception of what a DFS pro is.

    OK…I’ll bite. So what is that definition exactly?

  • rainbowtroutman

    @dude_abides7 said...

    He sees top ranked players in EVERY ONE of his H2H’s at or below the $5 mark.

    Would you be cool with Doyle Brunson squatting down in your casual $1/$2 Holdem game every time you sat down?

    Exactly—Why should I have to compete with players who are way better than me in every contest for $1-5 even if I win the odds are against me. I prefer not to so I quit

  • rainbowtroutman

    @btwice80 said...

    Evidently, the first thing that needs to change is people’s perception of what a DFS pro is.

    Listen this is Not personal at all. I respect you and when I first started Fanduel 5 years ago I played many heads up against you when I posted $1 h2h. You were scooping me(although at the time I didn’t know it) but I beat you sometimes and I learned how to
    build lineups. However when Condia and Daut need to play in my $1 games,it is time to move along. I only do this for fun,always have, and the fun is gone.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @JimKronlund said...

    Rankings are so misleading. Mass enter will get several teams into 150th ish when lucky. Thats $10 measly dollars.
    Just breaking even is extremely hard to do and that in of to itself feels like a win.
    You say your profitable and he is not. Then that should show you that you should not be afraid of him.

    Condia’s ranking is not misleading—-He mass enters every one of my $1 50/50’s on Aces

  • btwice80

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    Listen this is Not personal at all. I respect you and when I first started Fanduel 5 years ago I played many heads up against you when I posted $1 h2h. You were scooping me(although at the time I didn’t know it) but I beat you sometimes and I learned how to
    build lineups. However when Condia and Daut need to play in my $1 games,it is time to move along. I only do this for fun,always have, and the fun is gone.

    You have me mistaken for someone else. I didn’t even know what DFS was five years ago. I also never scooped h2hs (by the definition of taking multiple games of a player). There was only a very brief time where I even took any games from the h2h lobby (other than occasionally forgetting to post mine early enough), and it was always one per player.

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