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  • kleraudio

    Hey there everyone. I’ve lost every night this season so far.

    I study all day. Advanced metrics. I have the NHL package offered here. My lineups in cash all seem solid, then they all flop to hell.

    Are you guys doing 2 man stacks in cash?

    I tend to play the $2 “BIG” double ups (5-7 entries) plus 2-4 entries on the $3 breakaway.

    I’ve min cashed a few times in the GPP’s but overall loser for the night.

    That NHL package is cool and all but I’d like to go a little broader. Is stacking the answer even in cash? Like a 2/2/2/ stack?

    I’ve been studying that package and other stuff online and theyre saying stacking is not a good idea in cash. Not stacking has cost me every single night though…

    GPP’s I get. Tough to win those out of the thousands of entrants, but cash should be more steady…

    Any ideas?

    EDIT: I’m a hockey fanatic. I watch mulitple games nightly. Been playing for years in adult league. I understand the game very well. Which boggles my mind even more that I can’t cash in this shit!

    Example of tonights cash lineup 10/22 ( I experimented with stacking tonight, as NOT stacking was killing me)

    Spezza
    Staal (MIN)
    Benn
    Toffoli
    Bobby Ryan
    Hoffman
    Werenski
    Ghost (killed it tonight)
    Martin Jones (lost, still got a decent score)

  • Fainterj

    Get out of the double ups and put your money in the 50/50s. Cash line is almost always significantly less across sports.

  • wonger34

    I’m not a massive cash game guy, but just looking at this roster for cash I would say that you got unlucky with Spezza and Benn. Staal is playing well, but in a low event game against NJ. Same with Toffoli vs. LA. TB doesn’t give up much so not sure I would have played OTT forwards. Werenski and Ghost were good plays. SJ was favored, but taking road goalies can be tough. I’m sure some will disagree with me, but that’s my initial thoughts on this particular lineup.

  • noddy

    I’m not an expert, but I wouldn’t play anyone in cash at NJ. Also Vancouver doesn’t give up many goals and LA don’t score a lot. Plus I’m not a Spezza fan, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good play.

  • awilson45

    I still stack in cash, but not as much as I would for a GPP (on a big slate, if it’s only a 3 game slate I would just do a normal stack probably). If I’m stacking in cash I try to stack players that are always on the ice together and have a high floor for points. I don’t necessarily seek out 2-2-2 stacks or 3-3 stacks, but if it’s a lineup you really like I wouldn’t stress about it. I prefer playing H2Hs over 50/50s and double ups.

  • ScottyP33

    Keep putting in the time, it will come. Until you get consistent I would avoid the Big Double ups. Those are multi-entry. Go to the 50/50’s as said above and/or get into the single entry double ups.
    Watch the games you are targeting as stated by Noddy.
    Goalie Bob got you last night, it happens.

  • kleraudio

    Right on thanks so much everyone. I’ll play the 50/50’s going forward. That’s a good idea. 100 man sound about right?

  • tprokopenko

    When stacking a team, you generally want players on the same line. Benn and Spezza do not play together, and neither do Hoffman and Ryan, except for maybe on the PP. You typically want players that are on the same even strength line and the same PP line. For example, Benn and Seguin, or Hoffman and Stone.

  • slcseas

    Don’t play NHL. I mean this will all seriousness.

  • noddy

    @slcseas said...

    Don’t play NHL. I mean this will all seriousness.

    why?

  • FantasyTime69

    @noddy said...

    why?

    Variance is huge. I stacked tampa and dallas and they got shut out as -178 and -200 favs at home.

  • Rosterbate

    I don’t play NHL, but I think this advice applies to all sports. Along with doing all the research of teams and players statistics, study other people’s lineups. If you play enough you will see names that are consistently winning. Study their lineup construction and take notes on what you think their thought process was in making that lineup. Do it for both GPP and cash games.

  • kleraudio

    @tprokopenko said...

    When stacking a team, you generally want players on the same line. Benn and Spezza do not play together, and neither do Hoffman and Ryan, except for maybe on the PP. You typically want players that are on the same even strength line and the same PP line. For example, Benn and Seguin, or Hoffman and Stone.

    I picked them because they are both on the first power play but are on separate lines to “gain access” to more ice time… I guess that’s a bad idea huh? That strategy is touted on a few roto articles so I figured I’d try it.

    What’s your guys strategy when building lines for cash?

  • kleraudio

    @slcseas said...

    Don’t play NHL. I mean this will all seriousness.

    What do you suggest? I despise football. Basketball I suppose I can get in to, but I know like 3 players. I can name the top 9 forwards on any NHL team in the leauge off the top of my head. Figured having the knowledge of the game would be an advantage…..

  • FantasyTime69

    @kleraudio said...

    What do you suggest? I despise football. Basketball I suppose I can get in to, but I know like 3 players. I can name the top 9 forwards on any NHL team in the leauge off the top of my head. Figured having the knowledge of the game would be an advantage…..

    Dfs overall skill is more important than knowledge of a game. You can play any game once you learn the fundamentals. Without knowing anything about the sport.

  • TheTruthIsALie

    @FantasyTime69 said...

    Variance is huge. I stacked tampa and dallas and they got shut out as -178 and -200 favs at home.

    Yes, but everyone is in the same boat in terms of dealing with it. In the long run, skill will be duly reflected in terms of results. The key is bankroll management and a consistent process.

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    @FantasyTime69 said...

    Variance is huge. I stacked tampa and dallas and they got shut out as -178 and -200 favs at home.

    if it was as easy as playing the vegas chalk we’d all be rich :)

  • maxeernst

    I would be hesitant to make conclusions off such a small sample. Whether or not you’ve been cashing isn’t as important as whether your process and roster construction has been sensible.

    Reviewing your lineups can be really helpful. As some have noted, NHL is a very high variance endeavor. There are going to be plenty of great plays that don’t work out. I can see how it might seem difficult to discern, in retrospect, what was a good play that didn’t pan out vs. bad process. I suggest trying to find some people who are knowledgeable and you trust to give you some real critical input. As much as I love these forums, the amount of opinions (and the varying levels of skill/experience/knowledge) can sometimes be overwhelming and or confusing. Better to have a one on one or small group conversation if you can develop that.

    I want to also note that we’ve been dealing with a lot of short slates recently. Smaller player pools are tough to deal with as variance ramps up and small mistakes become bigger. Slate size / composition obviously affects roster construction a lot. Might be worthwhile to go back and see if you addressed the slates properly.

    I, personally, don’t tend to worry much about stacking in cash. I focus on getting the best production per $ I can with every lineup. That being said, when I find myself with really close decisions, I tend to drift in favor of more exposure to the best match-ups.

  • madmanjayWV

    @maxeernst said...

    I would be hesitant to make conclusions off such a small sample. Whether or not you’ve been cashing isn’t as important as whether your process and roster construction has been sensible.

    Reviewing your lineups can be really helpful. As some have noted, NHL is a very high variance endeavor. There are going to be plenty of great plays that don’t work out. I can see how it might seem difficult to discern, in retrospect, what was a good play that didn’t pan out vs. bad process. I suggest trying to find some people who are knowledgeable and you trust to give you some real critical input. As much as I love these forums, the amount of opinions (and the varying levels of skill/experience/knowledge) can sometimes be overwhelming and or confusing. Better to have a one on one or small group conversation if you can develop that.

    I want to also note that we’ve been dealing with a lot of short slates recently. Smaller player pools are tough to deal with as variance ramps up and small mistakes become bigger. Slate size / composition obviously affects roster construction a lot. Might be worthwhile to go back and see if you addressed the slates properly.

    I, personally, don’t tend to worry much about stacking in cash. I focus on getting the best production per $ I can with every lineup. That being said, when I find myself with really close decisions, I tend to drift in favor of more exposure to the best match-ups.

    Well, my bankroll tells me it’s quite important to cash GPPs, bigger the better!

    Great advice — except at the end where you said “I focus on getting the best (Expected/Projected) production per $ I can with every lineup.” — Can’t stop destiny nor the CUBS!

  • donkshow

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    @kleraudio said...

    Example of tonights cash lineup 10/22 ( I experimented with stacking tonight, as NOT stacking was killing me)

    Spezza
    Staal (MIN)
    Benn
    Toffoli
    Bobby Ryan
    Hoffman
    Werenski
    Ghost (killed it tonight)
    Martin Jones (lost, still got a decent score)

    Not sure what you think stacking is, but taking players from different lines on the same team would not be a good way to think of a stack in NHL

  • donkshow

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    @FantasyTime69 said...

    Variance is huge. I stacked tampa and dallas and they got shut out as -178 and -200 favs at home.

    If there is one sport you should not pay much attention to Vegas, it’s NHL.

  • PigskinaBlanket

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    @maxeernst said...

    I would be hesitant to make conclusions off such a small sample. Whether or not you’ve been cashing isn’t as important as whether your process and roster construction has been sensible.

    Reviewing your lineups can be really helpful. As some have noted, NHL is a very high variance endeavor. There are going to be plenty of great plays that don’t work out. I can see how it might seem difficult to discern, in retrospect, what was a good play that didn’t pan out vs. bad process. I suggest trying to find some people who are knowledgeable and you trust to give you some real critical input. As much as I love these forums, the amount of opinions (and the varying levels of skill/experience/knowledge) can sometimes be overwhelming and or confusing. Better to have a one on one or small group conversation if you can develop that.

    I want to also note that we’ve been dealing with a lot of short slates recently. Smaller player pools are tough to deal with as variance ramps up and small mistakes become bigger. Slate size / composition obviously affects roster construction a lot. Might be worthwhile to go back and see if you addressed the slates properly.

    I, personally, don’t tend to worry much about stacking in cash. I focus on getting the best production per $ I can with every lineup. That being said, when I find myself with really close decisions, I tend to drift in favor of more exposure to the best match-ups.

    This is solid advice. play low stakes until you are comfortable with Roster construction. Then – learn to embrace the variance.

  • MrMadness001

    I never really stack in cash games and don’t recommend doing that. There is way to much variance in hockey just like in baseball. Time on Ice isn’t like minutes played in basketball. Sure it gives players a larger chance of scoring points if they are on the ice a majority of the game. But even value guys on the 3rd and 4th lines can still have a good night. At most I’d say going with a 2 man stack has worked best for me in 50/50 contest.

    The other key component in cashing consistently in cash games is picking a winning goalie. I mostly play on FD and that 12 points for a win can be the difference maker in a winning and losing LU. So my advice for cash is scour the web for sites that have projections. It will give you a starting point for how you want to build your LU on the day. Also I like to read a nice amount of articles with different ideas. Usually at least for cash if you see a lot of different people leaning one way that skater is usually a solid play.

    For GPP I’d say stick to single entry until you have built up a nice bankroll that allows you to multi enter at least 10-20 LU’s in the bigger tournaments. Hockey is a lot like baseball in that each players production heavily correlates points to their teammates. It makes way more sense to stack a full line from 1 or 2 teams in a GPP. If the team you select goes HAM that night and it’s your line doing all the work (Like the Bruins top line the first week of play) you put yourself in a great spot to finish high in a large pool GPP.

    All I can say is it takes a lot of work to win consistently in DFS no matter the sport. Good luck but most of all enjoy the game whether you win or lose. Just try to learn from your mistakes when you lose and you should get better with every contest.

  • kleraudio

    @MrMadness001 said...

    I never really stack in cash games and don’t recommend doing that. There is way to much variance in hockey just like in baseball. Time on Ice isn’t like minutes played in basketball. Sure it gives players a larger chance of scoring points if they are on the ice a majority of the game. But even value guys on the 3rd and 4th lines can still have a good night. At most I’d say going with a 2 man stack has worked best for me in 50/50 contest.

    The other key component in cashing consistently in cash games is picking a winning goalie. I mostly play on FD and that 12 points for a win can be the difference maker in a winning and losing LU. So my advice for cash is scour the web for sites that have projections. It will give you a starting point for how you want to build your LU on the day. Also I like to read a nice amount of articles with different ideas. Usually at least for cash if you see a lot of different people leaning one way that skater is usually a solid play.

    For GPP I’d say stick to single entry until you have built up a nice bankroll that allows you to multi enter at least 10-20 LU’s in the bigger tournaments. Hockey is a lot like baseball in that each players production heavily correlates points to their teammates. It makes way more sense to stack a full line from 1 or 2 teams in a GPP. If the team you select goes HAM that night and it’s your line doing all the work (Like the Bruins top line the first week of play) you put yourself in a great spot to finish high in a large pool GPP.

    All I can say is it takes a lot of work to win consistently in DFS no matter the sport. Good luck but most of all enjoy the game whether you win or lose. Just try to learn from your mistakes when you lose and you should get better with every contest.

    Thanks for this reply, and yep, I’m having fun still. I love watching hockey too much not to be having fun!

    When you say 2 man stack, do you mean you’d do multiple 2 man stacks or just a single 2 man stack with the rest of your line up unstacked?

    I’d love to get to the point of entering 20 LU’s in GPP’s. Right now I’m going to stick to single entry GPP and single entry 50/50’s till I can figure out where the hell I’m going wrong!

  • MrMadness001

    Usually if I do stack at all in cash games it’s one 2 man stack from the same line. And preferably the same PP line as well. It really also depends on the amount of games on the slate as well. But I stay away from nights like tonight. If there aren’t at least 6-10 games I don’t bother. 2-3 games leaves you with no room for error and I find it way harder then on a full slate of games.

    As I was saying I’m not a big fan of stacking in general in cash games because the variance is so high and if you just played a bunch of stacks or even mini stacks and those teams stumble your LU is going to fall apart really quickly.

    I’m not going say don’t stack at all. One of my best cash LU’s had 3 Senator players when they played the Yotes last week. So sometimes it really is more of the matchup and how much risk you are willing to take. Also salary and lineup construction plays into that as well.

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