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  • Dozier

    Am I the only one who finds this shady as hell? (and bullshit) This is the third time in as many nights that I have seen a massive train of different people, having the EXACT same cash game lineup. They didn’t even bother to change the order in which the guys are at each position. 15 people have this exact lineup tonight, out of 100 (just in this particular 50/50), and I’m only even looking at people above the money line. I’ll reserve my getting actually pissed until they cost me money, but it’s still whack.

    http://imgur.com/SzXB6kU

    http://imgur.com/qbeNeWp

  • bigmike14

    People sell there lineups to other people who do not have to time to do their own research. It is more widespread in NBA and NFL because those sports are more mainstream than hockey.

  • Cityworkout

    This happens when people want to win and they have a hard time doing so because of the difficulty in NBA late in the season. The only way is to buy the lu from a pro so to speak.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @bigmike14 said...

    People sell there lineups to other people who do not have to time to do their own research. It is more widespread in NBA and NFL because those sports are more mainstream than hockey.

    I’ve noticed the exact opposite.
    It’s far worse in sports like NCAA and NHL. The sports you mentioned are far more popular so people follow those and there is a TON more information available.
    People want to gamble on these other sports without putting any research in so they purchase lineups.
    I stopped playing cash games in those sports because over 20% of a 100 man 50/50 would have one of 2 identical lineups (and they seemed to be cashing every night).

    It frustrates me to no end, even when I’d beat those lineups.

    I think the sites are making a huge mistake by ignoring this. Their argument for keeping DFS legal is that it’s a game of skill, but you have these cash games each night where upwards of 40% of the money is going to people who may not even be able to tell you what team the players they’ve picked play for.
    The optics on that are horrible, and they’d really have no way to spin it positive if this comes up….because these people are gambling.

    edit* – I also think this is horrible when it comes to attracting/keeping causal players, especially with the anti-DFS narrative that also exists. I wouldn’t expect a casual player to stick around if they enter a contest like this and lose to a train of identical entries.
    While I wish this didn’t exist at all, I will say, it is these single-entry contests where I think it is the biggest issue.

  • bigmike14

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I’ve noticed the exact opposite.
    It’s far worse in sports like NCAA and NHL. The sports you mentioned are far more popular so people follow those and there is a TON more information available.
    People want to gamble on these other sports without putting any research in so they purchase lineups.
    I stopped playing cash games in those sports because over 20% of a 100 man 50/50 would have one of 2 identical lineups (and they seemed to be cashing every night).

    It frustrates me to no end, even when I’d beat those lineups.

    I think the sites are making a huge mistake by ignoring this. Their argument for keeping DFS legal is that it’s a game of skill, but you have these cash games each night where upwards of 40% of the money is going to people who may not even be able to tell you what team the players they’ve picked play for.
    The optics on that are horrible, and they’d really have no way to spin it positive if this comes up….because these people are gambling.

    edit* – I also think this is horrible when it comes to attracting/keeping causal players, especially with the anti-DFS narrative that also exists. I wouldn’t expect a casual player to stick around if they enter a contest like this and lose to a train of identical entries.
    While I wish this didn’t exist at all, I will say, it is these single-entry contests where I think it is the biggest issue.

    i see your point with NCAA and NHL, but the contest sizes are alot smaller than NBA and NFL, so it is a lot more noticeable than with the huge field sizes masking the mass entry lineups.

  • deactivated84892

    I can’t believe the dead horse even has any fragments left to beat.

  • tvsfrink

    @gundacker said...

    I can’t believe the dead horse even has any fragments left to beat.

    Did you know that the NBA cash line on FD was ridiculous last night? I’m thinking of starting a thread about it.

  • Fsudrew17

  • BeltWieldindad

    Bunch of -ev players producing “optimal” lineups on twitter and other sites and either selling them to even smaller fish than themselves or asking to be tipped if the lineup does well. Luckily none of these lineup providers are very good so it just becomes a minor nuisance on the few days these providers put up a large score. Nothing you can really do about it unless the sites implement some sort of program that detects multiple accounts using the same lineup every day and taking action of them, but that sounds difficult to implement and not sure that it would actually solve anything because there would be a bunch of ways to skirt detection im sure.

    If you find that you’re struggling against these lineups in 50/50s one piece of advise I have would be to write down the usernames of these people and avoid 50/50s with them in it, or play h2hs and avoid these players.

  • dirtydistance

    There’s a rival site that gives out their optimal lineups which most days are trash. Could be the case here.

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