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  • sluggo

    Why are some players better in cash games and other players are better in gpp’s? Whats the “science” behind this thinking?

  • mannmicj

    It you can handle the risk and long stretches without cashing than GPPs might be better for someone. For the person who wants to play it safe and stay with the chalk of the day they are more likely a cash player.

  • sluggo

    ok but i was meaning the actual players one uses to make the lineup. i hear/see a lot of talk about how some players are better in a cash games while other players are better in gpp’s, why is that? i should have been more clear in my original post sorry about that……

  • Majorrock

    Cash game players are your High floor players who might not have the 10 strike outs or might not have double HR upside but will get you a good baseline.
    For pitchers they are usually the chalk..You can listen to any of the shows here on RG and figure out the chalk pitchers and top 3 or 4 hitters.

    For GPP’s you want high upside players in a lower ownership situation. Like tonight…Rizzo and Bryant would be a decent example of GPP plays where they have high upside in a big ball park against a pitcher prone to the long ball. Lower ownership as well.

    Tonight Cash game players would be like Nola, (Good pitcher against bad offense with high floor) Gattis (lower price catcher) Mets outfield (Low price on FD against a bad pitcher) with high floors.

    Bottom line is in cash you play they chalk and let others take the risk and in GPP you play for upside and lower ownership.

  • bighop04

    In baseball the variance is so high they are almost one and the same except for going with contrarian pitchers IMO. Of course a guy who has low power and low SB potential is almost never a tournament play, where as he might be a cash play in the right spot.

  • cjstetzer

    50/50 and h2h are super easy to beat if you use stud SP and 7,8,9 1 hitters in AL guaranteed winning formula

  • sluggo

    thanx for the tips guys!

  • stevietpfl

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    To go a little more in depth, I’ll use Chris Carter as an example for GPPs.

    He’s a guy you’d never play in cash games, but he’s always a great GPP play. Let’s use this year for an example.

    31.9% strikeout rate with only a 9% walk rate. .349 ISO with a .596 SLG. Great power numbers, but always prone to a 3-4 strikeout game.

    For Cash, I’ll use Matt Carpenter as an example.

    18.9% strikeout rate with a 15.8% walk rate. .276 ISO with a .533 SLG.

    So when looking at these two guys, you have a much higher chance of Carpenter getting on base, but Carter has a much better chance to hit a homer. So Carpenter is the great cash play, and Carter is the GPP play.

    Another thing to remember about GPP and Cash, road guys in great lineup spots are always better for cash (more ABs). While home guys in bad lineup spots are usually very low owned GPP plays.

  • sluggo

    so does the opposite apply to the home and road guys? ie road guys in bad LU=GPP and home guys in great LU=cash?

  • noddy

    @cjstetzer said...

    50/50 and h2h are super easy to beat if you use stud SP and 7,8,9 1 hitters in AL guaranteed winning formula

    Guaranteed? I don’t think so. No guarantees in baseball or DFS

  • deactivated84892

    @sluggo said...

    so does the opposite apply to the home and road guys? ie road guys in bad LU=GPP and home guys in great LU=cash?

    I wouldn’t overthink the home/road player in your lineup.

    The away team only has more AB’s if they’re losing which is kind of counterproductive.

    Play the matchup.

  • divusjulius

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    well, the traditional thinking is that players who are more consistent in their performance, those who you can get a very good estimate of their floor for the day, are solid plays in cash games, based on player pricing of course. since you do not need the highest point total in the game to win, you plan out a lineup of consistent, dependable players who have a really good chance of getting you to the number you need for the 50/50 etc

    in GPP, you want players who have the ability to go way above their floor, and hit their ceiling, generate a much higher possible production for the night, called ‘upside’. the problem with this is that to get really big nights, players usually need to do things like a hr (or hopefully 2 or 3), steal bases, or other big events….but these big events are not as consistently produced…but to win a GPP you need a really high score, and need a different kind of player.

    what i’ve written applies to hitting. for pitching, well, its easier to figure out what to do.

    also read around this website…there are many articles and blogs with proven strategy lessons for both kind of games

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