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  • stlcardinals84

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    Changes Needed By FanDuel post Condia-Gate

    Let’s let this be a constructive thread for FanDuel to hear the voice of some of their users.

    My message to Fanduel: To appease your frustrated users who already villify condia through no fault of his own, this would be a fine time to roll out a multi-matchup blocker….

    Considering you guys are the largest site, it makes no sense that you are lagging SO far behind on getting this feature that every other site has implemented quite a while ago.

  • sameolfalcons

    @bhdevault said…

    So that was one night. How many times have you lost because your opponent may have late swapped into a BETTER situation?

    It’s speculation, but it’s very possible. Maybe your opponents have started guys who weren’t playing and ‘late swapped’ a player who then had a terrific game.

    It goes both ways.

    I don’t see how it makes a situation better….once tip off happens that player is locked and can’t be changed plus I don’t know, other than injury or illness, what would make someone want to change players. you’re still stuck to a cap so it’s not like you’re dropping Dejaun Blair for Cousins late

  • looningabout

    @stlcardinals84 said…

    Fair enough. It’s just that late swap has been beaten to death so much on this forum that I think the endless discussion on it in this thread will actually make the FD folks pay less attention to the thread than they otherwise would have.

    I’m just trying to help the industry moving forward. Feel free to discuss whatever you wish.

    To be fair, so has the issue of FD not having a multi-match blocker, to an equal or greater extent (which I am in favor of adding). With all the new members RG is getting I think it’s impossible to avoid rehashing old topics.

  • bhdevault

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    @sameolfalcons said…

    I don’t see how it makes a situation better….once tip off happens that player is locked and can’t be changed plus I don’t know, other than injury or illness, what would make someone want to change players. you’re still stuck to a cap so it’s not like you’re dropping Dejaun Blair for Cousins late

    I’m playing Wildjoe for $50 h2h. Wildjoe wasn’t paying attention and started Michael Carter-Williams who wasn’t going to be playing in the late game. Everyone knew this as it was on twitter. Wildjoe just happened to miss the news.

    Now Wildjoe late swaps MCW out for Damian Lillard who is playing the 76ers that night. Lillard explodes for 50 fantasy points, beating me heads up. You follow me?

    I made up that scenario, but it can happen. Late swap can go both ways. Thanks for your time.

  • uncleslim

    @joonbae said…

    I wasn’t criticizing you. I thought I read somewhere in this thread that the intent was to talk about a specific topic. If it’s not, my bad. I didn’t know it was a general thread about all things.

    Cool, the subject of stealing lineups just irritates me… didn’t mean to bite your head off. Sorry.

  • BernieKozar

    Software that isn’t buggy, is user friendly and appeasing to the eye. Always found it remarkable biggest site had the most dreadful software

  • bhdevault

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    lol, I’m looking around Fanduel right now, in my 50/50’s, my leagues and my H2H’s. It’s amazing how many people with low amount of wins are doing well with nearly the exact same LU Condia used from his earlier game. :)

    Nope, FD, everything is working fine by showing LU’s before they start.

  • Greebo

    @bhdevault said…

    I’m playing Wildjoe for $50 h2h. Wildjoe wasn’t paying attention and started Michael Carter-Williams who wasn’t going to be playing in the late game. Everyone knew this as it was on twitter. Wildjoe just happened to miss the news.

    Now Wildjoe late swaps MCW out for Damian Lillard who is playing the 76ers that night. Lillard explodes for 50 fantasy points, beating me heads up. You follow me?

    I made up that scenario, but it can happen. Late swap can go both ways. Thanks for your time.

    Wildjoe would have beaten you with a zero for MCW, he’s Wild effin’ Joe!!!

    Plus he’s Condia’s second cousin, on his mother’s side…

  • GLAlexander

    Expand the Matrix games, it seems to be successful and they always fill up. Not sure why there are only 3 at the $10 or $25 buy ins. That would only be 63 total entries. It seems there would be many more that would play that.

  • sntw

    @fishcakeking said…

    1) I like late swap and play 90% of my action on sites that offer it.

    2) some limit on level of buyins. High rollers shouldn’t be in 1$ and 2$ buy ins

    3) Roster flexibility

    4) CSV of all players and lineups for each game available to entrants upon lineup lock.

    5) Matchup blocker.

    FCK

    +1 to everything here except late swap. All the other reasons are why I play elsewhere.

  • bhdevault

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    @Greebo said…

    Wildjoe would have beaten you with a zero for MCW, he’s Wild effin’ Joe!!!

    Plus he’s Condia’s second cousin, on his mother’s side…

    Thanks for the early morning laugh, sir.

    :)

  • JHols1nger

    Matchup blocker, updated salaries, larger fields for 50/50 and Matrix, some degree of positional flexibility, reduced rake or an improved rewards system, blocking player names until contests begin, improve or eliminate chat…

    It would be great to see some of these things on FD in the future, however I won’t hold my breath. If my memory serves me we’ve had multiple threads on all of these issues already and they are why I choose not to play there anymore, the recent display issue just makes it even worse.

  • mlowe1833

    For the masses that are clamoring for a Match-up Blocker consider this; If Condia does share his lineups with his friends, How does that stop his friends from taking your games and using his LU? I think FD has does enough to protect users from the Condias of the DFS world.

    Fanduel has no incentive to change anything for you if you continue to give them dollars hand over fist. Most if not all of you Match-up Blocker Disciples are still playing on FD and will continue to do so. You are your own worst enemy, not FD.

  • emac

    @mlowe1833 said…

    For the masses that are clamoring for a Match-up Blocker consider this; If Condia does share his lineups with his friends, How does that stop his friends from taking your games and using his LU? I think FD has does enough to protect users from the Condias of the DFS world.

    Fanduel has no incentive to change anything for you if you continue to give them dollars hand over fist. Most if not all of you Match-up Blocker Disciples are still playing on FD and will continue to do so. You are your own worst enemy, not FD.

    I believe when people are saying Matchup Blocker, they are really also implying more of an opponent limiter.

    For example, if I post 20 H2H games on FanDuel I would be thrilled to have the option to limit the number of times I an opponent could pick up my games and/or the number of times I am matched with someone during the automatch phase. This would limit my exposure to any one particular game to something that I am comfortable with as I attempt to have a diverse set of opponents. I would be fine if I set the limit at 1 game per opponent and it actually meant one game per price level.

    This is something that exists already on pretty much every other DFS site. So it is not a new concept, it is just one that a tremendous number of gamers would like to see implemented on FanDuel.

  • mlowe1833

    Even for the Automatch phase of FD, People like Condia are sharing lineups, so if you were to limit the Automatch phase to one per opponent, you still are going to run into the same problem (howbeit not so severe). As goes with opponents randomly selecting your games from the lobby. I believe people are really talking about the latter.

  • headChopper

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    @mlowe1833 said…

    Even for the Automatch phase of FD, People like Condia are sharing lineups, so if you were to limit the Automatch phase to one per opponent, you still are going to run into the same problem (howbeit not so severe). As goes with opponents randomly selecting your games from the lobby. I believe people are really talking about the latter.

    Lowe- I entered 100 different h2h games on Saturday night for the NBA. I got matched up against Condia and 1cruror 65 times. Even if he is sharing his lineup, those numbers would fall down drastically.
    People just want the option. Hell if you notice another player using his lineup, then block that player also. Eventually he will have to surrender and stop his style of play.
    Giving the option to block or limit is always better than having no option at all

  • mlowe1833

    Last post here as I don’t want to hijack the thread. I don’t know how many other sites are using the Blocker, but if this is a problem on FD, then use the sites that cater to your needs. FD will notice there H2H game selection decreasing and make a change. If I were sharing LUs’ I would just recruit more people to take your games with a match-up blocker in place as is done on the others sites with it. You would just drive the problem more underground.

    Can’t have it both ways Chop, can’t continue to play on a site that doesn’t meet your needs and complain about it, then in turn don’t use the myriad of options available to you (like using another site). If I were FD I would not change a thing until I saw evidence otherwise.

  • wy3134

    Would be nice to have a uniform limit policy on qualifiers. I was in a 66 entry KOTC qualifier last night, and one guy had 15 entries, of which took all 15 tickets. I have no desire to play any more qualifiers on a site that wont limit the # of entries like other sites do to the big events.

  • JHols1nger

    @mlowe1833 said…

    Last post here as I don’t want to hijack the thread. I don’t know how many other sites are using the Blocker, but if this is a problem on FD, then use the sites that cater to your needs. FD will notice there H2H game selection decreasing and make a change. If I were sharing LUs’ I would just recruit more people to take your games with a match-up blocker in place as is done on the others sites with it. You would just drive the problem more underground.

    Can’t have it both ways Chop, can’t continue to play on a site that doesn’t meet your needs and complaint about it, then in turn don’t use the myriad of options available to you (like using another site). If I were FD I would not change a thing until I saw evidence otherwise.

    All of the other major 6 sites have some sort of matchup limiter/blocker.

  • emac

    @mlowe1833 said…

    Last post here as I don’t want to hijack the thread. I don’t know how many other sites are using the Blocker, but if this is a problem on FD, then use the sites that cater to your needs. FD will notice there H2H game selection decreasing and make a change. If I were sharing LUs’ I would just recruit more people to take your games with a match-up blocker in place as is done on the others sites with it. You would just drive the problem more underground.

    Can’t have it both ways Chop, can’t continue to play on a site that doesn’t meet your needs and complaint about it, then in turn don’t use the myriad of options available to you (like using another site). If I were FD I would not change a thing until I saw evidence otherwise.

    This thread is more about offering suggestions that will increase the volume of play on FanDuel for both myself and other gamers.

    I already play on the other sites and I utilize the matchup blockers provided. Funny thing I have them set between 1-5 games allowed per unique opponent and rarely do they ever hit the maximum (if I have it set at more than one), of course this is because they do not have the same volume of players that FanDuel does. As far as blocking a specific player I have yet to employ that particular feature on the sites that do have it available.

    Again for me it is the # of unique opponents that I care about, I prefer not to have 30%+ of my games posted end up matched against the same player.

  • dips56

    • 2013 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    My two cents on some of the topics mentioned.

    1) I like the lack of position flexibility. Maybe having one Util spot is ok. But I like it when there are no good ‘values’ at SG and you have to start 2. This is when extra research and/or strategy can separate you from the sheep.

    2) Instead of a matchup/opponent blocker FD just needs a way to make sure when you are automatically matched off against someone it is only for 1 time max. If that happens people would post more H2H games in the lobby and not have to worry about getting matched up with the same person every time. More games in the H2H lobby is a good thing.

    3) I am strongly against late swap. I dont want to be on my twitter feed and internet all night. Sure you get burned sometimes but over a full-season it should even out.

    4) I think the limit of taking 10 games of H2H at $25 or below is great. Just continue it up for the higher stakes games as well.

    5) For multi-day games, Like Thu-Fri Basketball or Football starting on Thursday, players not playing that day NEED to be hidden. I stopped playing Thursday NFL because of this (Unless I liked a lot of players on Thursday). I love seeing the field report on RG but it really gives bad/lazy players a shot. UncleSlim’s comments on KOC this week were spot on.

  • sonicattack

    @wy3134 said…

    Would be nice to have a uniform limit policy on qualifiers. I was in a 66 entry KOTC qualifier last night, and one guy had 15 entries, of which took all 15 tickets. I have no desire to play any more qualifiers on a site that wont limit the # of entries like other sites do to the big events.

    I wouldn’t mind this. Or at least have the limit be proportional to the size of the event. 15/66 is a bit ridiculous.

  • skeeter1114

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    @dips56 said…

    My two cents on some of the topics mentioned.

    1) I like the lack of position flexibility. Maybe having one Util spot is ok. But I like it when there are no good ‘values’ at SG and you have to start 2. This is when extra research and/or strategy can separate you from the sheep.

    2) Instead of a matchup/opponent blocker FD just needs a way to make sure when you are automatically matched off against someone it is only for 1 time max. If that happens people would post more H2H games in the lobby and not have to worry about getting matched up with the same person every time. More games in the H2H lobby is a good thing.

    3) I am strongly against late swap. I dont want to be on my twitter feed and internet all night. Sure you get burned sometimes but over a full-season it should even out.

    4) I think the limit of taking 10 games of H2H at $25 or below is great. Just continue it up for the higher stakes games as well.

    5) For multi-day games, Like Thu-Fri Basketball or Football starting on Thursday, players not playing that day NEED to be hidden. I stopped playing Thursday NFL because of this (Unless I liked a lot of players on Thursday). I love seeing the field report on RG but it really gives bad/lazy players a shot. UncleSlim’s comments on KOC this week were spot on.

    I think you need a flex if you’re giving specific positions. Or, at the very least, allow players to be eligible at multiple positions. I’ve only played FD, DD, and SS, and I know the latter 2 have positional flexibility. If there isn’t going to be a flex offered and there are specific positional requirements, having players who are eligible at multiple positions seems to be a worthwhile solution. Most year-long fantasy leagues do that already, so why shouldn’t the daily leagues?

  • uncleslim

    @dips56 said…

    My two cents on some of the topics mentioned.

    1) I like the lack of position flexibility. Maybe having one Util spot is ok. But I like it when there are no good ‘values’ at SG and you have to start 2. This is when extra research and/or strategy can separate you from the sheep.

    2) Instead of a matchup/opponent blocker FD just needs a way to make sure when you are automatically matched off against someone it is only for 1 time max. If that happens people would post more H2H games in the lobby and not have to worry about getting matched up with the same person every time. More games in the H2H lobby is a good thing.

    3) I am strongly against late swap. I dont want to be on my twitter feed and internet all night. Sure you get burned sometimes but over a full-season it should even out.

    4) I think the limit of taking 10 games of H2H at $25 or below is great. Just continue it up for the higher stakes games as well.

    5) For multi-day games, Like Thu-Fri Basketball or Football starting on Thursday, players not playing that day NEED to be hidden. I stopped playing Thursday NFL because of this (Unless I liked a lot of players on Thursday). I love seeing the field report on RG but it really gives bad/lazy players a shot. UncleSlim’s comments on KOC this week were spot on.

    Thanks Dips56, I have been told that the product operations manager is on duty today for Fanduel from 8am to 4pm and I have already sent my support ticket to ask this be modified for at least this week. I would ask you to do the same and for that fact anyone reading this post to go ahead and send a ticket and maybe we can get some momentum. I got the standard “I’ll pass it along” at first, but reasoned with the administrator so maybe if enough people who are loyal customers voice their opinion……

  • pbarrese13

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    @dips56 said…

    My two cents on some of the topics mentioned.

    1) I like the lack of position flexibility. Maybe having one Util spot is ok. But I like it when there are no good ‘values’ at SG and you have to start 2. This is when extra research and/or strategy can separate you from the sheep.

    2) Instead of a matchup/opponent blocker FD just needs a way to make sure when you are automatically matched off against someone it is only for 1 time max. If that happens people would post more H2H games in the lobby and not have to worry about getting matched up with the same person every time. More games in the H2H lobby is a good thing.

    3) I am strongly against late swap. I dont want to be on my twitter feed and internet all night. Sure you get burned sometimes but over a full-season it should even out.

    4) I think the limit of taking 10 games of H2H at $25 or below is great. Just continue it up for the higher stakes games as well.

    5) For multi-day games, Like Thu-Fri Basketball or Football starting on Thursday, players not playing that day NEED to be hidden. I stopped playing Thursday NFL because of this (Unless I liked a lot of players on Thursday). I love seeing the field report on RG but it really gives bad/lazy players a shot. UncleSlim’s comments on KOC this week were spot on.

    I agree completely on the multi-day game issue. It is hard to imagine how the non thu players are not hidden. Has FanDuel ever publicly responded to why they have this setup? Other than alluding to their less than optimal software capabilities.

  • Galante118

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    1) Match up Blocker

    2) When you win a “Ticket” or entry to a bigger tourney (for example king of the court), there should be a way to see how many entries you have, plain and simple.

    3)FROM THE LOBBY be able to tell what games you have joined, i shouldn’t have to click on them to know if i joined or not.

    4) After we lock a line up and it gives us the option to join more games, i should be able to know which ones iv’e already joined, and instead of having to join each individually, why not just check off boxes to multiple games and with one click join them all.

    5) The ability to sort the games in “My History” by sport, buy-in, game type etc. DD has this and its very beneficial.

    6) One Utility spot, seriously add it in NBA, MLB, NFL, CFB ETC

    7)Hide people’s players on multiple day games, and even on early game sets, i hate the fact that people are making a profit just copying Condia’s line up. That has to be put to an end.

    8)GET RID OF CHAT, Nothing good comes from it. You ban people when they were talking about the Condia thing, but when people continue to give out player information and nothing happens, it’s frustrating. Just do away with it period.

    9) Increase the Tournament sizes, Please. Every single night, Tourneys fill. The NBA rebound for example you guys end up putting out a Rebound 2 because it fills hours and hours before. Just increase the size by a couple hundred, you guys have the volume that these things will fill 99% of the time

    Your the biggest and most profitable DFS site out there, spend the money. You guys are lagging behind in every aspect aside from player pool and marketing. Improve the site and retain your players, eventually the other sites pools will grow and people will leave.

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