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  • depalma13

    “Draftkings players with $1 Million in lifetime entry fees will not be able to play in contests that have an entry fee less than $5 AND a total prize pool less than $25,000.”

    Draftkings was so proud of their High Volume Player Restrictions designed to protect casual players that they made sure the Quarter Jukebox didn’t qualify for those restrictions and casual players can still be chum for the sharks.

    Way to go Draftkings! Great policy! Really love that you emphasized the “AND”. If it wasn’t for the bold letters, casual players might actually think they are playing with other casual players. Good thing you took the time to emphasize that word, so you can make a prize pool of a $.25 tournament large enough to invalidate the protections and feel good about the decision.

  • thedude404

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    @bigez952 said...

    These guys get into every contest on the site so they must have some sort of program to auto enter everything they are eligible for.. I can’t imagine they would actively search for the quarter arcade to make sure they get their 20 entries in if they were manually picking and choosing which contests they enter.

    Agreed. But if they have a program to auto enter them into contests, they surely have the capability to set the lowest entry fee they are willing to pay to enter contests. So I dont buy this excuse either.

  • dab4me1

    @thedude404 said...

    I think the issue here is that the $.25 contest went over the total prizepool threshold of $25k, thus allowing Chipotle Addict to play in the tournament. I think the OP’s point is that there shouldnt be that $25k prizepool threshold.

    I see what you are saying regarding the $3 sattys, but on the other hand how are these sattys going to fill if you dont have people max entering them?

    I agree with the OP’s main point, I was just adding my two cents about why his actions help ruin the already declining pool of players. He is a user on here, so if he happens to read this thread he should know people have contempt for those like him who ruin the game. And I see what your saying about the satellites not filling, but I suspect DK is still large enough that they could fill one without players with over a million in earnings.

  • thedude404

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    @superstars92 said...

    Yea I agree. There’s no way anyone submitting it manually (like most of us) would ever actively seek out the QA.

    Anyways, I don’t think anyone did anything wrong here by the letter of the law (DK or ChipotleAddict). Everything was done correctly under the rules, but I guess the main complaint from users here is that should the rule be changed? That’s the vibe I’m getting? Nothing was actually done wrong under the current rules.

    For me, I have no fight in this since I don’t even play the QAs so I don’t honestly really care whatever decision they rule.

    Exactly. You have enough common sense not to enter a $.25 contest.

  • thedude404

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    @dab4me1 said...

    I agree with the OP’s main point, I was just adding my two cents about why his actions help ruin the already declining pool of players. He is a user on here, so if he happens to read this thread he should know people have contempt for those like him who ruin the game. And I see what your saying about the satellites not filling, but I suspect DK is still large enough that they could fill one without players with over a million in earnings.

    Like I said earlier (but later erased it), GROSS winnings is pretty much a meaningless, arbitrary number. They should focus setting limits using NET winnings. But like I also said earlier, I think this number should be a rolling number annually, and should not be the SOLE factor in determining which contest someone should enter. I hate to use myself as an example, but for instance on Fanduel I’ve got over $500k in GROSS winnings but I’m currently limiting myself to playing $10 a WEEK in DFS. So I cant play on Fanduel due to their dumb limits. Not everyone that is a winning player puts all those funds back into DFS. Some of us have used the money for other things and it will never see the DFS ecosystem again….

  • bigez952

    @thedude404 said...

    Like I said earlier (but later erased it), GROSS winnings is pretty much a meaningless, arbitrary number. They should focus setting limits using NET winnings. But like I also said earlier, I think this number should be a rolling number annually, and should not be the SOLE factor in determining which contest someone should enter. I hate to use myself as an example, but for instance on Fanduel I’ve got over $500k in GROSS winnings but I’m currently limiting myself to playing $10 a WEEK in DFS. So I cant play on Fanduel due to their dumb limits. Not everyone that is a winning player puts all those funds back into DFS. Some of us have used the money for other things and it will never see the DFS ecosystem again….

    I agree that making any restrictions based on gross winnings makes no sense. Just because your playing a super high volume doesn’t mean your actually good. Some people just have a lot of disposable income to spend to afford high volumes even though they may not be any good and losing players. . Everything should be based on net winnings only.

  • kbarnhill7523

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    FD actually enforces this for those that care. I am not even that big of a player and I am barred from entering any contest that is under $3. I am mildly annoyed by it but totally understand the rationale.

    FD has $.25 games. Play there instead of DK.

  • SirBear

    If you want a more fair playing pool check out Fanball.com They assign all players a number based on results and then have games separated by that number…so someone with a 90 can’t enter a game designated for players rated 30-60 etc. The site was new at the start of NFL season this year, the volume is kind of low but hopefully it picks up. For season long fantasy players you might remember fanball.com that was around years ago, develop by Paul Charchian, it’s his creation. Great concept just needs more players on it. Check it out if you get a chance.

  • Unico10

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    @Lathum said...

    I think it is the exact opposite. He knows exactly what he is doing and trying to suck as much out of it as he can before it dries up.

    It is our days and age.

    Just look at the “tax reform”….. get everything and as much as you can today and the hell about tomorrow.

  • RikkiDee

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    can we ban them from all games while we are at it?

  • SA16

    Literally takes one mouse click to join the contest why would he not play a contest he is eligible to play in and has a positive expected ROI? Complainers gonna complain

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @RikkiDee said...

    can we ban them from all games while we are at it?

    I hope this was meant jokingly because nobody here is suggesting that.

  • thedude404

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    @SA16 said...

    Literally takes one mouse click to join the contest why would he not play a contest he is eligible to play in and has a positive expected ROI? Complainers gonna complain

    Is it that you dont understand or is it you dont want to understand?

  • KindGuy

    I’m not defending them or anything but it seems like these threads only pop up whenever Chipotle wins a GPP……

  • thedude404

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    @elementasrat said...

    I’m not defending them or anything but it seems like these threads only pop up whenever Chipotle wins a GPP……

    The top players always have a microscope on them. Comes with the territory.

  • Cal

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    @elementasrat said...

    I’m not defending them or anything but it seems like these threads only pop up whenever Chipotle wins a GPP……

    This one is different because it is a thread about one of them winning a GPP, not about colluding, although that has been brought up. The optics are bad when they dominate the leaderboard of any tournament. The optics are particularly bad at the $.25 level. I don’t think they should play the QA but don’t think players should be asked to police themselves. I’m way less jaded that depalma – DK did take a big step recently. I think they should take another step and disallow players of a certain status to play in microstakes.

  • RedBaran24

    @Cal said...

    This one is different because it is a thread about one of them winning a GPP, not about colluding, although that has been brought up. The optics are bad when they dominate the leaderboard of any tournament. The optics are particularly bad at the $.25 level. I don’t think they should play the QA but don’t think players should be asked to police themselves. I’m way less jaded that depalma – DK did take a big step recently. I think they should take another step and disallow players of a certain status to play in microstakes.

    If DK wants their business to grow, they should not allow these guys to play in any contest $5 AND under, NOT entry fee less than $5 AND a total prize pool less than $25,000. Having these guys (in my opinoin cheaters) play in these level of contest is a joke.

  • Messiah717

    I had pointed this out last night in the NFL thread. For high volume players like that it just comes down to pure greed. I would ask this question because I really don’t know. How many players have that million plus in career entries?

  • KindGuy

    I understand where some of you guys are coming from but I’ve never been a fan of limiting peoples action. These high rollers do this for a living and I would never want to limit their income stream. They have bills to pay, families to feed, etc.

  • thedude404

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    @SA16 said...

    Literally takes one mouse click to join the contest why would he not play a contest he is eligible to play in and has a positive expected ROI? Complainers gonna complain

    And thanks for bringing up an important point that separates DFS from other forms of competition. Time. There is no other competitive game that takes virtually no additional time for the best to be able to compete against beginners or those with less funds. That’s why other games dont need the restrictions because of the time factor. That is EXACTLY why there needs to be some type of restrictions in place for DFS. So thanks for bringing that up.

  • Messiah717

    @elementasrat said...

    I understand where some of you guys are coming from but I’ve never been a fan of limiting peoples action. These high rollers do this for a living and I would never want to limit their income stream. They have bills to pay, families to feed, etc.

    If you’re a million+ in lifetime entries I think you’re beyond needing to suck up every last penny.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @elementasrat said...

    I understand where some of you guys are coming from but I’ve never been a fan of limiting peoples action. These high rollers do this for a living and I would never want to limit their income stream. They have bills to pay, families to feed, etc.

    Then you are an advocate for the eventual end of the DFS industry.

  • bigez952

    @elementasrat said...

    They have bills to pay, families to feed, etc

    If feeding their families is dependent on being able to play $0.25 GPP’s I think they have serious issues.

  • Roma315

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    @elementasrat said...

    I understand where some of you guys are coming from but I’ve never been a fan of limiting peoples action. These high rollers do this for a living and I would never want to limit their income stream. They have bills to pay, families to feed, etc.

    High rollers aren’t sitting at the $1/2nl table or playing the .25 slots.

  • phillygamecox

    @Cal said...

    This one is different because it is a thread about one of them winning a GPP, not about colluding, although that has been brought up. The optics are bad when they dominate the leaderboard of any tournament. The optics are particularly bad at the $.25 level. I don’t think they should play the QA but don’t think players should be asked to police themselves. I’m way less jaded that depalma – DK did take a big step recently. I think they should take another step and disallow players of a certain status to play in microstakes.

    Agree it’s all about optics. Let’s face it, DFS is nowhere near the level it was at just a few years ago when it was on a direct course to the moon with no stopping it and 2M weekly first prizes. These types of situations just further disenfranchise the casual player who is trying to start out and build a bankroll at the .25 level – only to see a guy(s) who is max entering pretty much every tournament…and then swimming in .25 tourneys. He also won the $1 tournament yesterday as well.

    What’s a little telling is that papagates likely got the memo and didn’t play the .25 and $1 main tourney at DK yesterday. I only enter the smaller .25, 1 and 3 main events on DK and papagates was only in the $3 event which had a $1.25M pot.

    As much as this whole situation rubs me the wrong way, they are playing within the rules posted by the sites. So, at the end of the day – while it’s absolutely ridiculous that someone with millions in earnings/losses would play in a QA – it’s also easily allowed by the sites. The sites have shown that all of their rules and regulations and “looking out for the little guy” is simply window dressing. Situations like this just reinforce why I’ve basically pulled back all of my DFS play – and unfortunately that’s what is continually occurring across the industry with many other players as well.

  • Lipscore22

    Haters gonna hate

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