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  • xmolette17

    Really sucks how loyal members of RG have to pay a huge surplus price to get college football information this site first takes our lifetime free subscription from use now this we have to draw the lie somewhere this completely unethical and absurd.

  • fathalpert

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    @xmolette17 said...

    Really sucks how loyal members of RG have to pay a huge surplus price to get college football information this site first takes our lifetime free subscription from use now this we have to draw the lie somewhere this completely unethical and absurd.

    Hi xmolette17,

    Thanks for the feedback. The college football product is being treated similar to other new sports (Nascar, Soccer, MMA) outside of the five-sport premium. I understand where you’re coming from and can also attest that all these new sports require a ton of research and hours behind the scenes.

    I do need to mention that the free RG subscription was never for a lifetime (there may be some confusion about indefinite vs infinite). Thanks.

  • ElSlappo

    I’ve been a RG subscriber for a few years and have the DK All Access Premium package – which at one time included CFB. It was a bit disappointing that CFB wasn’t included with that type of subscription (may want to update the title to remove the word ‘All’), but I did still buy it as I felt it was worth the $.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

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    What’s better – getting something free that everyone you are playing against also sees or paying real $$ for something to gain an edge that could pay off in spades in your CFB winnings? Seems like the answer is pretty clear and it is understandable that the CFB product is a marketplace offering.

  • xmolette17

    The product was once included in the premium subscription why not show the loyal subscribers love by including it into premium. New sports (Nascar, Soccer, MMA) CFB isn’t new it was on hiatus. I good way to show appreciation for your subscribers would be to add it back to something we already pay for and did pay for in the past.

  • xmolette17

    If I have premium I’m not getting anything for free, sir. It’s guaranteed I pay for this service it isn’t guaranteed I cash.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    I totally understand why CFB is being put into the Marketplace this season. CFB was kinda sprung on us last minute and will take a ton of time to get the research up to speed. I would imagine we see it in the Premium sub for next season. The only reason I would selfishly like to see it in the sub this season is because I am in a “banned” state and will have to drive to put in lineups (which I cant do every week). So , paying the extra cash for just a few weeks isnt worth it to me

  • Unico10

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    As much as I like the services RG provides, the decision to not provide any content to registered users without a paywall is a questionable one.

    The decision not to provide any content to premium members is egregious. You could always sell additional content at an additional fee like you do for “the bat”.

  • bigez952

    @sochoice said...

    What’s better – getting something free that everyone you are playing against also sees or paying real $$ for something to gain an edge that could pay off in spades in your CFB winnings? Seems like the answer is pretty clear and it is understandable that the CFB product is a marketplace offering.

    I would agree with this if an all access premium pass didn’t already cost $400 per year which at least to me is real money. I enjoyed having a premium subscription for the past year and liked bits and pieces of every sport but I had to let it expire this week as I just don’t play enough to justify the $400 price tag. Down the road if they ever run a deal like they did last year I would consider jumping back in.

  • crumbler81

    In my opinion, the CFB content should be coming back the way it was before it was taken away from us a few years ago. I believe the CFB Grind Down and some research tools were free to registered members. LineupHQ should be available like all the other sports. Any additional content could likely go behind this pay wall.

  • thenatural91

    agreed.. This once was a great site.

  • CUTiger81

    @xmolette17 said...

    Really sucks how loyal members of RG have to pay a huge surplus price to get college football information this site first takes our lifetime free subscription from use now this we have to draw the lie somewhere this completely unethical and absurd.

    Unethical and absurd feels like a big reach even though overall I agree with where you’re going.

    Listen….I have no problem paying the $9.99 a week for MMA premium because it’s a niche sport that not many people play and there’s only one guy (Brett) doing the content. To me not having CFB a part of the premium sub has too much of a nickel and dime feel for my liking. You’ve got to be playing so much volume to even remotely consider spending $20 for a weekly NCAA pass. Even if you’re putting $200 out there each week do you really want to spend 10% of your investment on the CFB product? Just the fact that it was always a part of premium and no longer is makes me not want to buy it. And now with the NFL Edge on another site for so cheap the NFL content is going to have to deliver a ton of value for me to keep spending for premium content here. If CFB was a part of my premium then there’s a value add and reason to keep the sub but with the two best NFL weekly breakdowns out there for free (Silva) and for cheap (JM) there’s no reason to keep a premium sub for strictly NFL content. Just my opinion of course, others may feel differently.

  • leib0039

    Its kind of a catch 22, I think its over priced for sure (especially when you compare it to other sites) but you are also getting STL/Chop/DB among others who are great at what they do. Overall I agree, it would be nice if they had some member stuff or it was cheaper.

    Agreed with CUTiger, tough to put $20 on a weekly deal when you are maybe only playing $100, at that point throw 2 more lineups in and maybe have more exposure to guys.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    Ppl think they are entitled to something just because “it used to be this way”? Come one , its been almost two years. Things have changed. We already get a great discount on the services we receive for the minuscule price. There is a ton of research that needs to be done and tools to be built to get back up to speed. If you really need/want the content , it wont kill you to pay up for one season.

  • db730

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    I understand the frustration a lot of you have and I’ll try to address this the best I can. First off, this news came as a complete surprise to us so we had to make a judgement as a business what the best course of action was going to be. The fact of the matter is College Football content is extremely labor intensive and expensive for us to produce and we did not have those costs budgeted in anywhere since we thought it was dead. The only way for us to recoup those additional costs within premium would have been to raise the price across the board to ALL subscribers (including a large percent that can’t even play because they reside DFS in a restricted state). This might have been an option for us to consider six months ago, but not two weeks before our busiest season of the year with products and marketing materials already finalized.

    So once we made the call to create the marketplace package I talked it over with the team of contributors and we all agreed that the content was extremely valuable and felt it was important to come up with a package that created great exclusivity for those subbing at this higher price point. Keeping all our tools, analysis and stats a part of this package was the best way to provide that.

    This may not satisfy many of you, but it’s the honest answer on why we decided to offer college football content in the capacity that we do.

    -DB

  • gje627

    Taken in isolation, I can understand the OP’s frustration, and the frustration of others BUT the DFS landscape has changed substantially since the last time daily fantasy college football was available.

    If everyone recalls, the last time DK and FD, and some other sites offered college football, DFS was still in its “Wild-West” period…. I.e. no lawsuits, few outright state bans, no state regulatory requirements (accompanied by costly licensing fees), loose maximum entry levels for GPPs, etc. Now, since the advent of these developments, the margins made by sites like DK and FD have decreased substantially.

    What does this have to with anything?

    As the revenue by sites like DK and FD continued to decline (and legal expenses went up), the sites did two things of note: 1) substantially increased contest rake, and 2) virtually eliminated their revenue share with affiliates.

    Well, again if everyone recalls a significant moneymaker for sites like RG was in referrals to the fantasy sites (and continued play by said referrals). As such, RG was likely generating significant revenue to pay salaries, web-hosting, programming etc. from the fantasy sites themselves; most noteworthy DK and FD.

    However, this is no longer the case and to make up this shortfall, RG seemed forced to find revenue elsewhere since the fantasy sites were no longer paying a large percentage of RG’s overhead; and the only logical place to cover the shortfall is from RG’s user-base.

  • stlcardinals84

    Leading RG Analyst

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    Dan and TNRiddles and GJE have pretty much hit the nail on the head as far as economics go.

    I will also say that everyone involved with this package has put in a TON of hours getting it up and running and ready to go. We literally had zero advanced knowledge of the return of CFB and zero time to advance prepare.

    We are doing this content because we love CFB and I think we’ve proven (for those of you that have been around longer) that our CFB team probably has the biggest edge over the competition of any sport out there.

    We truly feel like this package will provide an edge over the course of the next 14 weeks.

    It’s not for everyone, but rest assured that we aren’t going to mail in this content.

  • CUTiger81

    @db730 said...

    I understand the frustration a lot of you have and I’ll try to address this the best I can. First off, this news came as a complete surprise to us so we had to make a judgement as a business what the best course of action was going to be. The fact of the matter is College Football content is extremely labor intensive and expensive for us to produce and we did not have those costs budgeted in anywhere since we thought it was dead. The only way for us to recoup those additional costs within premium would have been to raise the price across the board to ALL subscribers (including a large percent that can’t even play because they reside DFS in a restricted state). This might have been an option for us to consider six months ago, but not two weeks before our busiest season of the year with products and marketing materials already finalized.

    So once we made the call to create the marketplace package I talked it over with the team of contributors and we all agreed that the content was extremely valuable and felt it was important to come up with a package that created great exclusivity for those subbing at this higher price point. Keeping all our tools, analysis and stats a part of this package was the best way to provide that.

    This may not satisfy many of you, but it’s the honest answer on why we decided to offer college football content in the capacity that we do.

    -DB

    That’s fair and I hadn’t considered the fact that it’s not available in many states and how that impacts the value of the product. I would be more willing to go in at a $10 weekly price than $20 but you have a business to run and I understand that. If the numbers make sense at $20 and the response is there from the RG community then obviously that’s where it should stay but for me a price in line with what MMA premium costs on a weekly basis is much easier to stomach and makes it at least viable for those who are playing ~$200 per week in CFB. 5% of your total investment certainly makes getting some actual positive return on your total investment (entries + content costs) more possible than it does at 10% of your total investment.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond.

  • Ross

    Well said Dan :)

    Only thing I will add is if any Premium Subscriber sends us over an email to support@rotogrinders.com we will make sure to provide you with a discount code that can be used for the CFB product :)

  • internetfamous

    DB Chop and Cards were absolutely INCREDIBLE before the CFB ban. The $250 price tag is honestly too low if you play any decent volume in CFB for the edge and knowledge that they give you.

  • monds6

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    I see why the masses are a little a frustrated as well. But I can tell you NCAA Football is the most labor intensive sport as far as research. I spent several hours the past three days just to my teams for the small Thur night slate. It was a good product when it was free so I am sure it will be a very good product if you pay for it. I have not yet decided, I like to do my own research and compare to others so we shall see. Not much if any free NCAA Content anywhere.

  • xmolette17

    You literally made zero sense bro lol

  • xmolette17

    SMH at this response wow. Terrible call.

  • crumbler81

    Agreed. It’s a real shame there will be zero free CFB content for RG members.

  • TnRiddles

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    @crumbler81 said...

    Agreed. It’s a real shame there will be zero free CFB content for RG members.

    Why should they just give you the content for free?

  • Unico10

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    @TnRiddles said...

    Why should they just give you the content for free?

    I think the point.. or at least my point is that for all sports there is some free content for registered user. As a premium subscriber I wouldn’t be able to tell you exactly how much, but there is some.

    I think there should be at least one article of some kind for the general RG member and Premium subscriber should have their fee raised (I see Dan point as why this was not an option), since raising the fee was not an option I expected Premium members to have access to at least some barebone feature that we can get somewhere else anyway but for convenience sake would have been nice to have (Vegas odds, Injury report, Lineup HQ without projections).

    I don’t think anyone suggested that they should give everything for free.

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