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  • xmolette17

    Really sucks how loyal members of RG have to pay a huge surplus price to get college football information this site first takes our lifetime free subscription from use now this we have to draw the lie somewhere this completely unethical and absurd.

  • Unico10

    • 636

      RG Overall Ranking

    @Ross said...

    Well said Dan :)

    Only thing I will add is if any Premium Subscriber sends us over an email to support@rotogrinders.com we will make sure to provide you with a discount code that can be used for the CFB product :)

    This is sensible and much appreciated.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Unico10 said...

    This is sensible and much appreciated.

    Yes , it seems they are doing all they can to help the Premium subs and still run a business at the same time

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Unico10 said...

    I think the point.. or at least my point is that for all sports there is some free content for registered user. As a premium subscriber I wouldn’t be able to tell you exactly how much, but there is some.

    I think there should be at least one article of some kind for the general RG member and Premium subscriber should have their fee raised (I see Dan point as why this was not an option), since raising the fee was not an option I expected Premium members to have access to at least some barebone feature that we can get somewhere else anyway but for convenience sake would have been nice to have (Vegas odds, Injury report, Lineup HQ without projections).

    I don’t think anyone suggested that they should give everything for free.

    The timeframe combined with the effort to get content out is why there is no free content , imo…all the efforts are being applied to give the best content possible. Which costs time and money….

  • kantiger77

    I don’t have a problem with the fee, just the size of the fee. $20 a week is quite a bit.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @kantiger77 said...

    I don’t have a problem with the fee, just the size of the fee. $20 a week is quite a bit.

    If this content is as good as past CFB content and no other sites really offering anything , I would think the 20 bucks would be made back quite easily

  • theIrrigator

    • Ranked #61

      RG Tiered Ranking

    I’m fine with the actual content(articles, videos, projections) being in the marketplace and understand why(the research can be painstaking), but as someone who likes to do there own research and input there own projections I would like to at least see lineupHQ(without projections) available for premium subscribers. I feel hesitant to pay $250 when I just want access to the lineup builder. As a multi-entry player though I’ll probably just hold out till week 2 and email support for the discount code if lineupHQ isnt made available

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    My two cents….I wasn’t around when CFB was around originally but often would hear people say which it would come back. When CFB was released I asked a few people what was so great about CFB, the majority answer was that it was football. After a few days I have my thoughts and I feel that everyone is going to be disappointed to include the players, DK, FD and RG. This being an RG platform it’s easy to go after them but If it were me I would start with DK. Knowing little about DK and how there business operates this is how I see things played out. DK got the go to add CFB during there prep for NFL. DK being a small company had few people to work on the CFB platform in a short time frame. Not knowing how long DK had been working on getting CFB back but I feel they were provided the go with little to no prep on the backside with little thought on how to properly roll out CFB. DK prides themselves on being a company that relies on data to properly size contests. Based on the first few contests they either didn’t have data from the previous run with CFB based on the states that can participate, they didn’t use the data, or they were blindsided by the people who said we want it back and thought CFB would be bigger than it has initially shown to be. Again knowing DK is data driven you can bet the farm that the gpp’s next week will be no bigger than what was entered this week, meaning they will be very low since they had large overlay. What else is disappointing is that DK prides themselves on making the contests easy for the casual player to enter and you can play with little research. When you look at tomorrow’s 16 game slate there are how many QB, RB and WR to choose from? They are now asking a casual player to pick players from a college that some didn’t even know existed until they clicked on the game contest. This is a part that was not thought out well even though nfl teams only have 53 player rosters while college teams have 93-106 (approximately) players on each team. Again, just my two cents but I feel a pick em(tiers) format would have been better for the casual player. This would have targeted the majority of potential players allowing gpp’s to fill and to continue to play for nice prizes. I know many on this board would not have liked that but I am thinking from a DK business standpoint plus as I mentioned I feel it would have helped you because the gpp’s will be low dollar next week. Finally, I understand that DK wants to keep things private and secretive so when they release new sports they get that big YES! Wouldn’t it have made more sense to let at least a few content providers in on what was happening? I say this for two reasons, first it would allow the content providers time to build a lineup builder which would allow the MME players the opportunity to compete as I am sure many have backed away as it takes time to do this by hand especially when they are the ones playing other sports. Second, it would allow content providers time to prepare for content. As it has been mentioned there is no free content for the casual player in a game that requires more prep and harder to find prep than any other sport. I reference the casual player not because I am one but because that is who DK markets to the most and were the majority of there play comes from.

    So what does this have to do RG and the topic of this thread. Unfortunately, they to had to knee jerk react due to the actions of DK. I can’t blame them for what they are doing because as I mentioned the time to research is enormous. Nothing against Stevie and his NASCAR package but the amount of research he has to do for his product pales in comparison to what the CFB team at RG has to do. In addition when you look at what Stevie is charging based on work vs what the CFB team is charging based on there work and I think all parties, including Stevie would say the CFB is a great value. What makes it worse is that due to gpp’s contests going down next week in prize pool RG is less likely to get as many people pay for there package next week as this week and that cycle will most likely continue as the season gets deeper. Thus you know have people at RG providing content because that is what they would normally due for there love of DFS vs there minimal return on the dollar.

    Moral of story, don’t always just think about “I”, think about all parties involved and how it affects there business based on decisions that others have made. Personally, I feel CFB is doomed and it will now cost DK much more money and time to try to get people to play next year. Not trying to be negative nelly, just sharing my thoughts on the situation. Sometimes you only get one shot, make it the best!

  • theIrrigator

    • Ranked #61

      RG Tiered Ranking

    Think I just got my answer, right after I posted my comment I received an email with the discount code lol, I’m sure it was just a coincidence and all premium subscribers were sent the email

  • bono6699

    Totally disgraceful how RG is treating loyal premium subscribers, they have lost future business of mine. Never thought Cam, Cal and Dan would treat loyal subscribers so poorly. Thanks for showing all of us your true colors RG. You took away our lifetime subscriptions and you pick and choose what you will include, no thanks, I’ve had enough of your shafting.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @bono6699 said...

    Totally disgraceful how RG is treating loyal premium subscribers, they have lost future business of mine. Never thought Cam, Cal and Dan would treat loyal subscribers so poorly. Thanks for showing all of us your true colors RG. You took away our lifetime subscriptions and you pick and choose what you will include, no thanks, I’ve had enough of your shafting.

    you never had a “lifetime subsription”

  • bono6699

    When I signed up to a site thru RG links it was advertised as full access to site forever. It was false advertising then, can’t go back on statements from years ago, so don’t hand me your bs riddles.

  • mtdurham

    @sochoice said...

    What’s better – getting something free that everyone you are playing against also sees or paying real $$ for something to gain an edge that could pay off in spades in your CFB winnings? Seems like the answer is pretty clear and it is understandable that the CFB product is a marketplace offering.

    Agree..

    All that glitters is COLD

  • mtdurham

    @db730 said...

    I understand the frustration a lot of you have and I’ll try to address this the best I can. First off, this news came as a complete surprise to us so we had to make a judgement as a business what the best course of action was going to be. The fact of the matter is College Football content is extremely labor intensive and expensive for us to produce and we did not have those costs budgeted in anywhere since we thought it was dead. The only way for us to recoup those additional costs within premium would have been to raise the price across the board to ALL subscribers (including a large percent that can’t even play because they reside DFS in a restricted state). This might have been an option for us to consider six months ago, but not two weeks before our busiest season of the year with products and marketing materials already finalized.

    So once we made the call to create the marketplace package I talked it over with the team of contributors and we all agreed that the content was extremely valuable and felt it was important to come up with a package that created great exclusivity for those subbing at this higher price point. Keeping all our tools, analysis and stats a part of this package was the best way to provide that.

    This may not satisfy many of you, but it’s the honest answer on why we decided to offer college football content in the capacity that we do.

    -DB

    I appreciate you backing your stance with a substance driven repsonse… and looking at it from all sides I completely agree…

    This game was sprung on them….if you want the content pay the toll….or do your own research…. no free lunch in this world…

  • superjon

    @xmolette17 said...

    Really sucks how loyal members of RG have to pay a huge surplus price to get college football information this site first takes our lifetime free subscription from use now this we have to draw the lie somewhere this completely unethical and absurd.

    You’re free to have your own opinions, but it would be wise to learn the meaning of words before accusing someone of being “unethical”

  • rocko3807

    @db730 said...

    I understand the frustration a lot of you have and I’ll try to address this the best I can. First off, this news came as a complete surprise to us so we had to make a judgement as a business what the best course of action was going to be. The fact of the matter is College Football content is extremely labor intensive and expensive for us to produce and we did not have those costs budgeted in anywhere since we thought it was dead. The only way for us to recoup those additional costs within premium would have been to raise the price across the board to ALL subscribers (including a large percent that can’t even play because they reside DFS in a restricted state). This might have been an option for us to consider six months ago, but not two weeks before our busiest season of the year with products and marketing materials already finalized.

    So once we made the call to create the marketplace package I talked it over with the team of contributors and we all agreed that the content was extremely valuable and felt it was important to come up with a package that created great exclusivity for those subbing at this higher price point. Keeping all our tools, analysis and stats a part of this package was the best way to provide that.

    This may not satisfy many of you, but it’s the honest answer on why we decided to offer college football content in the capacity that we do.

    -DB

    Dan…..I have no problem paying for the product but here is my issue. If I am going to pay for it then I don’t think I am being unreasonable when I say it is frustrating when nobody will answer a simple question when one comes up that I have. I have asked you and a couple others a question about the CFL product after I have paid for it and nobody has the courtesy to respond. I know you guys are extremely busy but if you are going to offer a paid product please extend some customer service with it. It would have taken someone literally 10 seconds to answer my question.

  • boomanfoo

    Thank you Unico that is my point premium subscribers deserve at least a basic CFB package even if it’s just grind down article for each slate

  • rannas23

    If the CFB package was to be issued out as everyone pays for it…..would have been more productive from the RG business end and the customers end if one price was set for non-paying premium monthly RG members and a lower price for the RG members already paying a monthly premium price. I think RG would have gotten more interest and response in their package if the already paying members knew they were getting a little more of a deal on top of their monthly premium service. Just an opinion….but being hypocritical…I might still buy it myself.

  • easternmh

    • 2019 Blogger of the Month

    Just my 2 cents – I blogged the 16 game nfl preseason slate; that took a ton of time to research (like 8+ hours). NFL News is easier to find than CFB. RG has to charge something or it wouldn’t be worth their time to dig the information that they do up. I’d rather spend $250 for streamlined information than spend all day looking News up myself every Friday/Saturday. Anyway…. carry on

    FWIW – last time we could play CFB – the analysis from the RG crew was insanely good (DB, STLCards, and Chop).

  • BTWag

    @db730 said...

    I understand the frustration a lot of you have and I’ll try to address this the best I can. First off, this news came as a complete surprise to us so we had to make a judgement as a business what the best course of action was going to be. The fact of the matter is College Football content is extremely labor intensive and expensive for us to produce and we did not have those costs budgeted in anywhere since we thought it was dead. The only way for us to recoup those additional costs within premium would have been to raise the price across the board to ALL subscribers (including a large percent that can’t even play because they reside DFS in a restricted state). This might have been an option for us to consider six months ago, but not two weeks before our busiest season of the year with products and marketing materials already finalized.

    So once we made the call to create the marketplace package I talked it over with the team of contributors and we all agreed that the content was extremely valuable and felt it was important to come up with a package that created great exclusivity for those subbing at this higher price point. Keeping all our tools, analysis and stats a part of this package was the best way to provide that.

    This may not satisfy many of you, but it’s the honest answer on why we decided to offer college football content in the capacity that we do.

    -DB

    OK, so here is my question. Obviously CFB is only legal in some states so who determines this? For example, I live in a state where season long is legal, all DFS major league is legal, and not betting is legal, but this is also a state where DK does not allow CFB so my question is why not. Can anyone explain this to me?

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @BTWag said...

    OK, so here is my question. Obviously CFB is only legal in some states so who determines this? For example, I live in a state where season long is legal, all DFS major league is legal, and not betting is legal, but this is also a state where DK does not allow CFB so my question is why not. Can anyone explain this to me?

    Look at your state lawmakers. They decide this. If you want to dig into that swamp, good luck to you.

  • boomanfoo

    mtdurham I am already paying a monthly fee don’t see that as a free lunch. Not providing some basic CFB content is a disservice to premium subscribers.

  • crumbler81

    A CFB Grind Down article should be free to all members. Like this one from a couple years ago… https://rotogrinders.com/articles/cfb-grind-down-week-7-early-slate-893635

    I was also pretty disappointed that the Grinders Live show for today’s slate was locked behind the paywall.

  • texasrangersfan

    Even though I disagree with RG not having College Football for Premium Members, I decided to buy the package for a week. The content was good, but there were no projections and no lineup HQ. I had to cancel most of my multi entry tournaments and just stick to the singles and three max. Very frustrating.

  • Genghis_Khan

    Welcome to RG Airlines. Premium gets you your seat, but if you wanna check any bags, choose your seat, have some legroom, or eat a tiny effing bag of peanuts you’re gonna get the upsell. I think the phrase many of us are searching for is “nickel-and-diming.”

  • Genghis_Khan

    @texasrangersfan said...

    The content was good, but there were no projections and no lineup HQ.

    Wow. If that’s true, just…wow.

    The marketplace package says:

    “— Exclusive CFB Projections Access in LineupHQ
    — Weekly Projections”

    If I were you I’d be asking for my money back.

    I like most of the people who work at RG, I really do, but this is not ok.

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