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  • AshyL4rry

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    Today, as I was checking my refer-a-friend account activity, I noticed I had zero active users and my generated earnings were unchanged for the past week. I immediately emailed DraftKings and was absolutely appalled by the response I received:

    Hi AshyL4rry,

    Thank you for your inquiry regarding your Refer-a-Friend account. The Refer-A-Friend Terms and Conditions state the minimum requirements to maintain an account as follows: “Furthermore, if you fail to acquire a minimum of four (4) new Invited Friends over a six (6) month period, we reserve the right to terminate your active Invited Friends without notice.” You did not meet this requirement so the referrals were removed from your account. If you meet the condition in the future, you will only earn commission on those newly referred users.

    This is simply unbelievable.

    Here is the policy as outlined on the website:

    With just a few clicks, you can earn up to 35% commission. And you will automatically be taking advantage of our industry-best promotions and national marketing campaign, because anything that keeps your referrals coming back to the site and entering contests is helping you earn money!

    With our great promotions and huge cash prizes, and no restrictions on the number of referrals you can bring in, the sky is the limit for what your commissions could be. But all you really need are a few active referrals and you’ll be earning valuable monthly deposit to your DraftKings account. And since the idea is to turn that revenue into the winning entry in a big tournament, there is no telling how valuable that simple click on “Refer-A-Friend” could be.

    Every month, you will simply see a percentage of the revenue your referrals generate deposited into your own DraftKings account, and you can immediately start using it to enter contests. And in addition to the DraftKings dollars you can earn, every referral who deposits moves you one step closer to unlocking different prizes.

    Please tell me where in that page it states the minimum eligibility requirements to maintain the current level of reward earnings? That’s correct, no where on there does it state the requirements. That’s because it is hidden in the middle of the “terms” section where not a single person will ever look. For the level of scrutiny this industry is currently facing, these deceptive tactics do no good whatsoever.

    All of my friends were referred shortly after I created my account years ago. In fact, I haven’t referred another person since then. Not until recently was I generating any sort of reasonable income from their volume. Coincidentally, the week after I receive my largest reward payment to date does DraftKings decide to TERMINATE all past users I referred and were tied to my account. Now, even though I referred players to Draft Kings and now I will be generating 5-6 figures of rake for them monthly, I receive ZERO.

    This quote here is just laughable: “Furthermore, if you fail to acquire a minimum of four (4) new Invited Friends over a six (6) month period, we reserve the right to terminate your active Invited Friends without notice.” WITHOUT NOTICE – so If I wasn’t paying attention to my rewards, DraftKings could have just terminated my rewards earnings and gone about business as usual. The possibility of the average DK user being able to refer FOUR new friends every 6 months and for them to remain active is next two impossible. None of this is known because it is hidden behind their shiny slogan “With our great promotions and huge cash prizes, and no restrictions on the number of referrals you can bring in, the sky is the limit for what your commissions could be.”

    Furthermore, say you acquire a stable of 10-12 referrals over a year long period and you are unable to acquire the supposedly required 4 additional over the next 6 months, Draft Kings can terminate all 12 referrals and you start from scratch. With the level of rake already at alarming levels, why is a company punishing those that are bringing new customers in and trying to salvage what little rake back there is out there.

    This policy is sickening.

  • Avgplayer

    @BeepImaJeep said...

    whoa, even in these desperate times, you guys think ashy deserves 100k/month because he referred a few people?

    What? ✈
    ✌ ツ✌

  • FunkyColdModella

    It sucks that DK is doing this seemingly overnight however, I’m not surprised by any moves DK or FD make. Another competitor fades out so they’ll get a healthy portion of those FH customers still wanting to play. Rake is probably down after the NFL season, so to keep the coffers full they enact “DBag Protocol” and cut referral payouts. I guess they’re banking on guys being used to the extra coin and will start pimping hard for them again.

    I’m curious just how much money people are raking in on these programs per month. Hundreds? Thousands? No wonder why there’s so many people sobbing when there’s talk of DFS being regulated/getting shut down.

  • madmanjayWV

    @jmo26 said...

    Happened to me as well – got a similar garbage response, and have pretty much lost all faith in DK at this point. I just can’t remember the last time I looked at something they did and thought, “Well, that was handled well.”

    IS ANYONE @ DK paying attention?

    I swear..I know YAHOO sucks guys..trust me, but goodness…go play anything there it will grow on you and at least in NBA u can pick one less player than FD

  • FunkyColdModella

    @madmanjayWV said...

    IS ANYONE @ DK paying attention?

    Yes, they are. FHub closing, FanDuel just announced layoffs so they smell blood in the water. Better to make these changes in the NFL off season when there will be less uproar. Also, they’re just using the FH debacle as cover. Same with Fan Duel increasing their rakes.

    “If you’re going to eat shit, don’t nibble.”

  • Putz

    The old offseason switcharoo. Gotta love it. I remember this same time last year DK changed their ticket program and thought we were not paying attention. They changed the length of time tickets were valid as noise, but they also changed the buy-in level for their named contests for the upcoming season. Their MLB Perfect Game was always $200, and then it changed to $300 last season. The $200 Perfect Game tickets I won in July and August all of the sudden were expiring before the next season since they were now valued at $300. Thank goodness I took a screen shot of all my tickets and their expiration dates each month.

  • Putz

    @madmanjayWV said...

    IS ANYONE @ DK paying attention?

    I swear..I know YAHOO sucks guys..trust me, but goodness…go play anything there it will grow on you and at least in NBA u can pick one less player than FD

    Agree. I have been thinking of switching my action to Yahoo. Lawyer fees will begin to take their toll on FD and FK. We are seeing some of that now.

  • motownmauler

    Exactly, this guy is complaining cause they took his free 100k a month, what a joke, whole industry is a joke

  • deactivated84892

    @motownmauler said...

    Exactly, this guy is complaining cause they took his free 100k a month, what a joke, whole industry is a joke

    A company taking away agreed upon money is apparently nothing to complain about.

    While we’re harping on DK, Someone joined with my referral link on 2/20/16 and DK awarded me a “$25 Ticket Pack” that I had until 2/22/16 to use.

    Why such a tight window? Jeesh. 3 days seems a little ridiculous.

  • motownmauler

    You guys realize these top guys were getting 100k in “free” money to play against you with right?

  • djw2033

    Yea but it also hurts the small guys like me who can’t always deposit.. 40-50 bucks a month lets me enjoy DFS some months

  • deactivated84892

    @motownmauler said...

    You guys realize these top guys were getting 100k in “free” money to play against you with right?

    As long as I’ve been playing DFS, I have yet to care how my opponent got the money to buy into a contest.

    My goal is to take that money.

    Why are you so bitter?

  • btwice80

    @madmanjayWV said...

    at least in NBA u can pick one less player than FD

    Wait, you think having to picking less players is a good thing?

  • DCoop328

    @AshyL4rry said...

    With the level of rake already at alarming levels, why is a company punishing those that are bringing new customers in and trying to salvage what little rake back there is out there.

    Lets try to figure out why the rake is too high? Because they are paying people like you 20-35% of their income. Sites need to find a way out of these relationships if they want to keep rake down for all the players.

    I do believe this was not the correct way to do so, especially with no warning, but eventually the sites are going to have to get out of these terrible referral agreements.

  • awesemo

    • 2

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    • Ranked #2

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    • $1M Prize Winner

    • x3

      2018 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    Let’s be real, any money that Draftkings takes away from affiliates is not going to go to players. If they had the incentive to give money back to players they would already be doing it.

  • pmsimkins

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    The refferal and affiliate programs had their place when this industry was new. Now that every single American has been inundated with Fanduel and Draftkings those days are numbered.

    Personally, I think these programs played a part in making the game much less profitable for the typical good player.

  • Felder15

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • x2

      2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @pmsimkins said...

    The refferal and affiliate programs had their place when this industry was new. Now that every single American has been inundated with Fanduel and Draftkings those days are numbered.

    This.

  • TeamTwerk

    @FunkyColdModella said...

    Yes, they are. FHub closing, FanDuel just announced layoffs so they smell blood in the water. Better to make these changes in the NFL off season when there will be less uproar. Also, they’re just using the FH debacle as cover. Same with Fan Duel increasing their rakes.

    “If you’re going to eat shit, don’t nibble.”

    Please give us thumbs down option for awful posters like this guy. Every single post this person has made has been negative and over the top anti-DFS .

  • DCoop328

    @pmsimkins said...

    The refferal and affiliate programs had their place when this industry was new. Now that every single American has been inundated with Fanduel and Draftkings those days are numbered.

    Personally, I think these programs played a part in making the game much less profitable for the typical good player.

    Great Post

  • awesemo

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    • x3

      2018 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    I can’t speak for everyone but the people I referred would not be playing on Dk without my promotion of it. You can only refer people who don’t already have accounts anyway.

  • btwice80

    @umaebitz said...

    Let’s be real, any money that Draftkings takes away from affiliates is not going to go to players. If they had the incentive to give money back to players they would already be doing it.

    At this point I’d rather the referral/affiliate programs were phased out in exchange for simply not raising the rake any more.

    I do agree that the way this was handled was a little slimy.

  • deactivated60279

    That may be the main reason the top guys win such a large amount of the prize Money. I’m discounting their skill but they had essentially nothing to lose by mass multi entering each tournament. A always wondered why top players entered so many milly maker entries when it was showed that most lose in that type of top heavy tourny. This could really help level the playing field and also keep dk solvent. That said, I too lost my referals.

  • AtGame7

    At this point I really think DK is using the the time period of legal adjustments and potential legislation/being outlawed to find out how shitty they can treat people and still maintain profitability.

    Care only about the sharks? Check.
    Annoy the hell out of everyone with 90% of the commercials on every channel? Check.
    Raise rake? Check.
    Break one off in our backsides with the late 1099’s? Check.
    Stop showing up on RG forums to answer questions? Check.
    Reply with only canned responses and no real info via e-mail? Check.
    Take affiliate money away? Check.

    What is the last thing DK did for the players in a time the industry is in such turmoil? Seems like a bad sign to me that they are attempting to get all they can while they can and alienate the customer base in the process.

  • srolleDFS

    first off, ashy bumhunts with the invite a friend feature. he tries to take advantage of new users, dk took away his free money. oh well. seems fair, tbh.

    second, there was zero chance that dk was ever going to pay people forever. The refer-a-friend program does not come with a contract. If you asked for one, I’m pretty sure DK would have laughed at you. But if they didn’t and you have one, then maybe you aren’t affected by this.

    third, alot of the refer-a-friend deals were done between people so the “friend” was actually receiving some of the money back as rakeback. This is an unfair advantage when it comes to controlling real estate H2H lobbies. It also violated the rules.

    I feel for the people that built dfs businesses around the affiliate programs, because that does not seem very fair. But the poker kids that have been gaming the refer-a-friend program. GTFO.

  • travs424

    @AtGame7 said...

    What is the last thing DK did for the players in a time the industry is in such turmoil? Seems like a bad sign to me that they are attempting to get all they can while they can and alienate the customer base in the process.

    I have to agree here, i think they are doing whatever they can and sell, let someone else deal with the headaches, they dont care if we stay as customers, they just need a list of customers to sell. i bet they could have gotten a lot from espn after the NFL season if the shit didnt hit the fan.

  • dude_abides7

    I understand not many here are going to feel mass amounts of sympathy for a guy that was making $100K/month in referrals and now he is not. I also understand that it is not likely that DK could have extended this benefits forever.

    The issue here is that they made a unilateral restructure of their program and did not inform their affiliates of the changes. It looks to me they wanted AshyL4rry and his ilk to default on the terms so they could get out of having to pay him. DK should have allowed him the ability to abide by any new terms in a manner that was transparent and in the realm of good business practice. Of course, par for the course…DK did not do this.

    Whether or not Affiliate programs are “no longer needed” doesn’t mean a company can screw their partners (no matter how well off they are) from the agreement they had in place. They did this change under the dark of night.

    Are they allowed to change their policy? Of course.

    Are they obligated to inform their customers of said change? Absolutely.

    Was this done? Evidently not.

    Anyone who thinks these programs are going away so they can use those savings to: a) lower rake or b) better user playing experience is out to lunch. This money is going right into the pockets of DK hierarchy or directly to lawyers.

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