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  • AshyL4rry

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    Today, as I was checking my refer-a-friend account activity, I noticed I had zero active users and my generated earnings were unchanged for the past week. I immediately emailed DraftKings and was absolutely appalled by the response I received:

    Hi AshyL4rry,

    Thank you for your inquiry regarding your Refer-a-Friend account. The Refer-A-Friend Terms and Conditions state the minimum requirements to maintain an account as follows: “Furthermore, if you fail to acquire a minimum of four (4) new Invited Friends over a six (6) month period, we reserve the right to terminate your active Invited Friends without notice.” You did not meet this requirement so the referrals were removed from your account. If you meet the condition in the future, you will only earn commission on those newly referred users.

    This is simply unbelievable.

    Here is the policy as outlined on the website:

    With just a few clicks, you can earn up to 35% commission. And you will automatically be taking advantage of our industry-best promotions and national marketing campaign, because anything that keeps your referrals coming back to the site and entering contests is helping you earn money!

    With our great promotions and huge cash prizes, and no restrictions on the number of referrals you can bring in, the sky is the limit for what your commissions could be. But all you really need are a few active referrals and you’ll be earning valuable monthly deposit to your DraftKings account. And since the idea is to turn that revenue into the winning entry in a big tournament, there is no telling how valuable that simple click on “Refer-A-Friend” could be.

    Every month, you will simply see a percentage of the revenue your referrals generate deposited into your own DraftKings account, and you can immediately start using it to enter contests. And in addition to the DraftKings dollars you can earn, every referral who deposits moves you one step closer to unlocking different prizes.

    Please tell me where in that page it states the minimum eligibility requirements to maintain the current level of reward earnings? That’s correct, no where on there does it state the requirements. That’s because it is hidden in the middle of the “terms” section where not a single person will ever look. For the level of scrutiny this industry is currently facing, these deceptive tactics do no good whatsoever.

    All of my friends were referred shortly after I created my account years ago. In fact, I haven’t referred another person since then. Not until recently was I generating any sort of reasonable income from their volume. Coincidentally, the week after I receive my largest reward payment to date does DraftKings decide to TERMINATE all past users I referred and were tied to my account. Now, even though I referred players to Draft Kings and now I will be generating 5-6 figures of rake for them monthly, I receive ZERO.

    This quote here is just laughable: “Furthermore, if you fail to acquire a minimum of four (4) new Invited Friends over a six (6) month period, we reserve the right to terminate your active Invited Friends without notice.” WITHOUT NOTICE – so If I wasn’t paying attention to my rewards, DraftKings could have just terminated my rewards earnings and gone about business as usual. The possibility of the average DK user being able to refer FOUR new friends every 6 months and for them to remain active is next two impossible. None of this is known because it is hidden behind their shiny slogan “With our great promotions and huge cash prizes, and no restrictions on the number of referrals you can bring in, the sky is the limit for what your commissions could be.”

    Furthermore, say you acquire a stable of 10-12 referrals over a year long period and you are unable to acquire the supposedly required 4 additional over the next 6 months, Draft Kings can terminate all 12 referrals and you start from scratch. With the level of rake already at alarming levels, why is a company punishing those that are bringing new customers in and trying to salvage what little rake back there is out there.

    This policy is sickening.

  • cAUmberlandtiger8

    @dp47 said...

    Transparent and honest. Like referring a family member and then playing under their account instead of your own?

    that is not transparent and honest, and seemingly a violation of the DK terms and conditions.

  • tomac

    You mean like when a host’s family member admits it in question four?

    https://www.fanduel.com/insider/2013/07/16/k_lim-and-pepsi7-the-dfbcs-domestic-rivalry/

  • dp47

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    @tomac said...

    You mean like when a host’s family member admits it in question four?

    https://www.fanduel.com/insider/2013/07/16/k_lim-and-pepsi7-the-dfbcs-domestic-rivalry/

    That wasn’t what I had in mind but since you brought it up, I’ll never let an opportunity pass to remind Nigel that he stood next to and celebrated a guy who finished 1st, 2nd, 4th & 5th in his contest that only allowed two entries.

    That was the first time that I realized “Sites can do whatever they please with little recourse”.

  • nahbro

    Wow, a lot of misleading posts, and some good content here. I was actually planning on opening up an account on DK soon, after reading this, no way! This post has soured me on them.

  • awesemo

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    Who the hell cares if someone’s friend or family member is using their picks? That’s not against any rules as far as I know. Let’s get this back on track.

    It just rubs me the wrong way that Draftkings would enact this money grab policy. There were plenty of ways for them to find a middle ground, for example making the percentage of rake going to affiliates to scale down over time after referring someone, and enacting the $1k cap per month which seems somewhat reasonable. The current action they’re taking is certain to antagonize many of their supporters.

    On reducing the affiliate cut to 0% for small time affiliates or players, I don’t expect anyone to be sympathetic to Draftkings when it’s clear that they make enormous amounts of money with their 10%+ fees on every contest. At least Draftkings isn’t trying to sugarcoat this by saying it’s for the good of anyone but themselves. Fortunately we have the alternative of just recommending our friends play on another site instead of DK.

  • dp47

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    @umaebitz said...

    Fortunately we have the alternative of just recommending our friends play on another site instead of DK.

    These friends live under a rock?

    Who doesn’t know about DFS yet?

    Oh, you mean you will “recommend” that the accounts that “your friends” play under will play on a different site now. Got it.

  • SEAHAWK03

    The referral program ( 6 Degrees of Pay) at fantasydraft.com is much more flexible than DKs. There are NO qualifiers when building your business. You dont even have to enter contests , just refer people who do play and you get paid when they enter contests.

  • awesemo

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    I have gotten almost a dozen of my friends who aren’t huge sports fans to play because they like games. You don’t have to be a huge sports fan to play with all of the advice on sites such as Rotogrinders.

  • dp47

    • 2012 RotoGrinders TPOY Champion

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    @umaebitz said...

    I have gotten almost a dozen of my friends who aren’t huge sports fans to play because they like games. You don’t have to be a huge sports fan to play with all of the advice on sites such as Rotogrinders.

    Just pick your sport, pick your players & pick up your cash.

  • Ajnicho04

    I am a daily user of Draft Kings I have recently referred a friend to the website. They one said I was committing refer a friend fraud two closed his account and three took my bonus tickets away. How do they expect to gain new costumers with all the new state laws and restrictions coming down the pipe. I am very disappointed in Draft Kings right now. Has anyone else had this issue.

  • joec20

    Something must have made them think you were pulling a scam. The most obvious giveaway is using the same credit card information for both accounts.

  • Swaglet

    So the #1 Heavyweight is pissed that he’s losing a few bucks on a handful of referrals? What about his brother, isn’t he the real “loser” in this? #Greed

  • dude_abides7

    @Swaglet said...

    So the #1 Heavyweight is pissed that he’s losing a few bucks on a handful of referrals? What about his brother, isn’t he the real “loser” in this? #Greed

    OK…so you are not a fan of the OP. Got it. But do you realize that this issue affects many more users than him?

  • Putz

    If you think this issue and sneakily increasing rake are bad, I can imagine the uproar when the sites begin making the players pay their own PayPal fees for every withdrawal. You can blame the dopes withdrawing funds every night/week when that happens. The only question is will it be a flat fee or %?

  • bruski

    maybe you should start having boot camps instead of referring friends you may make more money

  • Swaglet

    @dude_abides7 said...

    OK…so you are not a fan of the OP. Got it. But do you realize that this issue affects many more users than him?

    You mean like his brother?

  • dude_abides7

    @Swaglet said...

    You mean like his brother?

    Him…and like the thousands of other users collecting referral money that have no relation to your beef with this guy.

  • Warriv

    @Putz said...

    If you think this issue and sneakily increasing rake are bad, I can imagine the uproar when the sites begin making the players pay their own PayPal fees for every withdrawal. You can blame the dopes withdrawing funds every night/week when that happens. The only question is will it be a flat fee or %?

    Agree with this, I think we should only be allowed one free withdrawal per month, after that you should have to pay a processing fee. I don’t want my rake subsidizing all the people who needlessly deposit/withdraw constantly, those costs add up!

  • tjabchs6

    @Swaglet said...

    You mean like his brother?

    and maybe literally everyone else that has referred a few friends to draftkings? come on dude, think.

  • Swaglet

    @tjabchs6 said...

    and maybe literally everyone else that has referred a few friends to draftkings? come on dude, think.

    Let’s see…
    1. I think multi-accounting is very difficult to enforce.
    2. I think DFS is a zero sum game.
    3. I think FD/DK invested a ton of money in advertising.
    4. I think most potential DFS players already know about FD/DK.
    5. I think referrals have much less value today than they did 2 years ago.
    6. I think FD/DK are running a business.
    7. I think most players disregard TOS.
    8. I think many players abused the referral programs (see #1).
    9. I think players confuse rake with profitability.
    10. I think FD/DK could have self-regulated better.

  • tjabchs6

    @Swaglet said...

    Let’s see…
    1. I think multi-accounting is very difficult to enforce.
    2. I think DFS is a zero sum game.
    3. I think FD/DK invested a ton of money in advertising.
    4. I think most potential DFS players already know about FD/DK.
    5. I think referrals have much less value today than they did 2 years ago.
    6. I think FD/DK are running a business.
    7. I think most players disregard TOS.
    8. I think many players abused the referral programs (see #1).
    9. I think players confuse rake with profitability.
    10. I think FD/DK could have self-regulated better.

    lol okay. cool

  • dailysportreport

    @Warriv said...

    Agree with this, I think we should only be allowed one free withdrawal per month, after that you should have to pay a processing fee. I don’t want my rake subsidizing all the people who needlessly deposit/withdraw constantly, those costs add up!

    Based on another thread a while ago, I thought that I read that DK refunds all deposits that a player makes when they withdrawal, instead of sending via a new transaction. The reasoning was being debated, but based on my experience running e-commerce sites, neither party would have to pay a fee in this case.

    If a user is withdrawing more than they deposited, then they’ll probably get charged a fee, and like you said, I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets passed on to the players. I didn’t realize that many people would be withdrawing so frequently… With most payment processors/methods, it’s often a percentage of the amount, so frequency wouldn’t matter.

    I think that the original topic of the change of affiliate terms is despicable. Anybody who says differently must not understand the concept of affiliate marketing. Basically every industry with an online presence utilizes affiliates to refer business. It’s ridiculous to say that DK, or any site for that matter, could not profit with a 35% hit to their revenue, having accounted for it from the beginning. Compare the business model to any other type of business, and it’s stellar, especially with a loyal fanbase that comes back every day to play. Stating that lawyer fees and advertising are too expensive is equally nonsensical. These are called the costs of doing business. A DFS site doesn’t have to purchase any “products”, they don’t need a retail “store”, and they don’t even really need an office. At this point, besides customer service, most of the business should be almost on auto pilot. If they didn’t account for a slowdown after the NFL season was over, that is 100% on them.

    At this point, with only return business, they should have a pretty good idea of the exact amount of revenue that they can/will bring in on a given night. If the accounting is being done properly, they shouldn’t be having financial issues at this point. Put some money in the bank, expect some speed-bumps, and treat your customers right. Seems easier, and more productive, than spending excessively, blaming outside forces for financial problems, and trying to increase revenue at the expense of the customers.

    I have no dog in this fight at all. I have no DK referrals. If I went to work for 2 weeks, and at the end, my boss told me that they decided to change their minds, and they couldn’t afford to pay me, I wouldn’t just say, “well that makes sense, I didn’t really deserve it anyways”.

    My 2 cents…

  • bruski

    some of you are bashing this person and saying he referred family members etc but is anyone asking about the new guys who pop up about once a month and are playing like they have unlimited bank? Does anyone know think they are being recruited and funded? They sure do seem to have a lot of lineups similar to the guys who have been around and playing big money in the past few years.

    I would think sites would either not care where the money comes from as its still worth the percentage they pay back or they would just stop it altogether. I think they should allow some of the big guys to do it as a way of rake back perhaps?

  • dude_abides7

    @bruski said...

    but is anyone asking about the new guys who pop up about once a month and are playing like they have unlimited bank? Does anyone know think they are being recruited and funded? They sure do seem to have a lot of lineups similar to the guys who have been around and playing big money in the past few years.

    The argument here is that these “new” heavy hitters may be seasoned DFS guys that simply started pushing action on a new site. For example, a DK loyalist that now plays on FD. He is likely not going to enter the fold playing $1-2 games.

  • srolleDFS

    @dude_abides7 said...

    OK…so you are not a fan of the OP. Got it. But do you realize that this issue affects many more users than him?

    yea it affects lots of users. all the money dk was paying out to refer-a-friend and affiliates was putting upward pressure on rake and putting stress on dk’s ability to survive as a business. its good for users to not have a large percentage of the rake being siphoned off to 3rd parties.

    whether its fair or not is a distinct issue, i think.

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