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  • kdjac0434

    A little background— I’ve been playing DFS since 2014 football. For awhile I played every sport every day, mostly 50/50s and was profitable. However after awhile I let it not be fun and started to step away.

    I want to get back in but I keep running myself into a circular argument.

    I am more interested in winning than winning big. I just hate to lose. However playing $5 to win $9 isn’t really worth it. Plus a couple of extra losses can eat an entire seasons worth of winnings.

    However I hate losing so playing GPPs is hard mentally because it feels bad.

    Looking at my ROI I have been profitable playing GPPs and cashing around a 30% rate. But I still find myself gravitating towards 50/50s because I feel like I’m more that kind of player.

    Does anyone else have a similar experience? What do you do to overcome the mental hurdles?

  • TheDataDetective

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    Wow, you sound exactly like me. ☺ In fact, I even wrote a blog about this…

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/beginner-s-guide-to-playing-dfs-on-a-budget-part-2-2420322

  • kdjac0434

    Thanks for the reply! I’m glad I’m not the only one out there like this.

  • panters

    Well written and informative article. Thanks tgs4.

  • TheDataDetective

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    @panters said...

    Well written and informative article. Thanks tgs4.

    Appreciate it, thanks!

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    As a smaller bankroll player I’ve almost given up on Cash games entirely – they have become so competitive, to me those are the games that make no sense.
    Mentally they also are easy to conceptualize because there is a clear number you have to be hitting (the 56% or whatever it is) to be profitable.
    Mentally, for me, even though I hate losing, it’s always been better to know one good day in a GPP could make up for a few bad days.

    Beyond that, from the information you gave, if that was me I’d probably try – entering cheaper GPP’s (a couple bad days should not negate most winnings) and enter multiple lineups. Instead of one $5 lu, maybe I enter 8 $.25 lu’s Or 3-4 $1 ones which gives multiple shots at a bigger prize, but also makes it likely I at least “win” something most nights.
    Not sure those apply to you, but that could be worth trying if you aren’t profitable in cash and want to be playing GPP’s without risking too much and winning on more nights.

  • clrockny24

    two questions I have.

    A. are the .25 cent gpps just a waste? I’ve never won anything on them, and even fanduel has one where they pay out $500 and everybody wins something, but those seem hard to even make your money back.

    2. I primarily just play $1 and $2 50/50’s on fanduel. is that not a good strategy to be profitable long term?

  • Jvanspro

    @clrockny24 said...

    two questions I have.

    A. are the .25 cent gpps just a waste? I’ve never won anything on them, and even fanduel has one where they pay out $500 and everybody wins something, but those seem hard to even make your money back.

    2. I primarily just play $1 and $2 50/50’s on fanduel. is that not a good strategy to be profitable long term?

    I tend to think they are a complete waste of time and energy.

    As a smaller volume player myself I tend to play mostly 50/50’s and H2H games. With about 20% GPP. I do not go after the big GPP though. Most of the time those are nothing more than a pipe dream. I play GPP’s with much smaller fields and do quite well. They don’t have the huge prizes but you can easily build a bankroll with them and they tend to have a better pay structure.

  • srcripps

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    As a small volume player myself, I never really looked into the small 300 people GPPs. Tonight will be my first time trying that out. Thanks guys for mentioning it in this thread, always appreciate the forums and what everyone contributes to it. Best of luck to you all!

  • kujo33

    20 entry max GPP (or single entry) have a better chance of cashing high with a good, reasonable lineup. Less of random guys thrown in lineups that go crazy. I have found these are really helpful in getting the occasional lineup to go for 10x.

  • clrockny24

    Great blog post. My favorite part was about not “chasing” wins or losses. So Fanduel requires you to deposit $10; so that what I try to stay at. So naturally, I’m a small stakes player.

    I did lose $2 the other night to go down to $7.25. My question now, is is virtually impossible to build a decent bankroll playing $1 and $2 contests? If I try to make up so much one night by entering a $2 contest, lose, try to make it up again, my bankroll will be done before you know it.

  • kdjac0434

    I’ll come back around on this for an update. I decided to jump back in with cash games. I’ve been playing mostly H2H with a little GPP. I have been enjoying it. I have had some really good days that I cash most of my H2H, and have yet to have a day that I lost it all. I think having the H2H vs 50/50 has really helped my mindset. You won’t win as much on a just better than average day, but you won’t lose everything on a just below average day.

    That is what used to wreck my sanity. I would just miss the cash line, but lose all my entries. I had a streak of about 4 or 5 days when that happened and it cost me most of my winnings for that season. The smoothness of the H2H win/lose rates is much easier to handle.

  • rgriffin37

    This is a good thread and a lot of the posts mirror my own experiences and playing style. I started last season essentially from winning $1 in a Yahoo freeroll and have played consistently ever since. I think for people whose goal is to play small stakes and hopefully build up their bankroll to avoid depositing multiple times, Yahoo provides a reasonable path to doing so. I built mine up playing almost exclusively $1 50/50s and started mixing in the $1 114 person no veteran contests. This strategy worked really well and allowed me to pull winnings via Paypal and deposit with the various other sites. After trying all of the major sites, I still prefer Yahoo for most of my cash games. Like someone else said, cash games have become super competitive on FD and DK, so much so that I find myself only entering the low entry fee, low max entry tourneys on these sites and not bothering as much with the 50/50s.

    Moral of the story, I think for low stakes players who are trying to spin $10 (or a similarly small amount) into something larger over time, Yahoo might provide the better path. If you’re looking for big prize pools, big tournaments, etc, you’re probably better served elsewhere.

  • bhdevault

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    @rachelkyle said...

    I’ll come back around on this for an update. I decided to jump back in with cash games. I’ve been playing mostly H2H with a little GPP. I have been enjoying it. I have had some really good days that I cash most of my H2H, and have yet to have a day that I lost it all. I think having the H2H vs 50/50 has really helped my mindset. You won’t win as much on a just better than average day, but you won’t lose everything on a just below average day.

    That is what used to wreck my sanity. I would just miss the cash line, but lose all my entries. I had a streak of about 4 or 5 days when that happened and it cost me most of my winnings for that season. The smoothness of the H2H win/lose rates is much easier to handle.

    I’ve been saying that for years now.

    Also, try and play as MANY different H2H opponents as you can, for more variance. Instead of 1x $5 contest, play 5x $1 contests, etc..

    The more variance in the lineups you face, the better in the long run.

  • clrockny24

    I’ve only ever won once on a gpp that was more than >25, that was a $4 win on a $1 NBA contest. I do agree that there is a better win/lose rate than gpp. Gpps are lose, lose, lose, etc. 50/50’s are a lot more consistent, although lately it has been hard to string together victories for me.

  • clrockny24

    I had my first big win last night – $30 on an NBA freeroll on fanduel, it was for the 18.88 contest, my lineup was Lebron, KD, Klay, J. Green, JR. $30 may not seem like a lot, but to me it is. Also, It can be tough to win bigger amounts if you play $1 to $2 a night. I had never won more than $5 before last night.

    What I want to add ties in to the point about not “chasing” wins or losses, which was my favorite part of the blog post. I’m sticking to my plan of only playing $1 50/50’s, with the occasionally $2 double up, if I’m feeling it.

    My point is cherish the “big” wins, and make them last. I won’t all the sudden start playing $5 contests. I want to remember this win months down the road.

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