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  • srolleDFS

    crazygabey was interviewed in the latest new york times hit piece. he said that what was happening between some players of varying skill levels was akin to rape (and pillaging). when someone loses $5 in dfs they end up without that $5. nothing else happens. they may have to scale their next bar tab back to $45, or maybe suffer some other inconvenience of being $5 poorer. when someone is raped, something much much more signifcant happens. the two are not comparable, and its not ok to triviaize rape by comapring them.

    maybe gabey thinks they are? maybe he hasnt actually ever thought about the words he uses? i dont know but its offensive.

    Link to article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/magazine/how-the-daily-fantasy-sports-industry-turns-fans-into-suckers.html?_r=0

  • bluestooges

    For myself, All the things that are listed as issues, although I believe the truth in them I don’t have an issue with them.
    I personally would rather see a bunch of guys throw 500 plus lineups in to contests so the prize pool is higher and the amount of thrown away lineups are higher as well. Some people don’t like that and that’s ok its just not my opinion on the issue.
    What I do have an issue with is people attacking someones character, making comments like we even personally know the guy and so on. . I also find it funny that people have a problem with the satire behind the comments when they don’t agree with the message. He has as long as I can remember changed his twitter stuff around and other CrazyGabeyish things.

    If you don’t like multy-entry don’t play them
    If you don’t like someone complaining about them, don’t take it personally some people actually might have a different opinion than yours.

  • smutpeddlers

    Well since everyone wants to give their two cents, I guess I will post my thoughts of first glance of this thread. I have only read first 3 pages fyi. The original post looks like a, look at me look at me I want attention, type post. Couldnt you be offended with out writing a post about it. Which then made me think, could he be upset that he , a high volume player didn’t get the call for an interview?

    I don’t know either person. Don’t care to know either. And am not attacking anyone. This is my perception of the first 3 pages of this thread and what looks like could be reason for original post. And a lot of people do this. I bet I have done it also…….. Just my thought……

    The ironic thing being, this post could be seen as same type thing. Hahaha

  • bowens1984

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • RG Season Champion: NBA

    I hope no one listens to any show that would have Gabey on, he is clearly only interested in promoting himself, this industry made him and he sold out the first chance anyone tried to interview him for an article

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @Putz said...

    Why can’t sites just post one script everyone can use for these types of things? They know what APIs are available. Build it into the site. Why wouldn’t they?

    This in a huge way. In fairness I think it has more to do with the functionality being unimportant to the vast majority of their user base. Then just permit the people who are interested in doing it themselves to do so.

  • smutpeddlers

    Also how did this thread become a scripting thread and moderators haven’t curbed it yet?

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    For example the case in point in the article is the late swapping of channing frye. Worst case scenario from a ‘competitive’ standpoint Max was able to edit hundreds of entries just before lineup lock and wins a bunch of money. Alternatively he was presumably able to edit 100% of his lineups. How many users had the opportunity to edit 100% of their lineups in a similar fashion. Probably 95%+ of them. Anyone who had one entry had just as difficult a job/opportunity in the vanilla platform.

  • Putz

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Also how did this thread become a scripting thread and moderators haven’t curbed it yet?

    You serious? Because that is a hot topic in the article the OP referred to, not the definition or alleged misuse of raping and pillaging.

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Also how did this thread become a scripting thread and moderators haven’t curbed it yet?

    right right, Gabeys use of the vernacular was fine. Hard to look at his statement in the article about ‘rape and pillage’ and see an indifference of sex crimes. His statement was just a Little hyperbolic.

  • smutpeddlers

    Nope was totally serious. Didn’t read article and could careless to read it. The OP stated he was upset by Gabey use of rape and didn’t read the rest. So the article’s topic meant nothing to me…… But thanks for the answer of how that happened. Easier then reading the article….. :)

  • Gotembaseball

    @Zieg30 said...

    The scripts that truly matter are those that create the lineups. Those are all offline. How would sites prevent those?

    I don’t know, but I would have to think some kind of script prevention is possible for scripts that directly interact with the site, but those scripts really aren’t the ones that matter.

    You sir are 100% wrong.

    The biggest issue is scripts that interact with the sites directly. No one cares about lineup optimizers and that is what you are describing when you state ‘Offline’

    Someone with an algo or a solver crunching numbers is all fair and good. It’s when those tools interact directly with the site when it becomes a problem.

  • Gotembaseball

    @bowens1984 said...

    I hope no one listens to any show that would have Gabey on, he is clearly only interested in promoting himself, this industry made him and he sold out the first chance anyone tried to interview him for an article

    Selling out would imply he is profiting from said sell out. Unless I’m just not in the know I don’t see where he is profiting from this.

    Just because his opinion is unpopular with some people doesnt make it any less true.

  • srolleDFS

    @Putz said...

    You serious? Because that is a hot topic in the article the OP referred to, not the definition or alleged misuse of raping and pillaging.

    putz, you have to be fair.

    some people did get REALLY offended about the possibility that casually tossing around rape metaphors wasnt cool. for them, gabey’s right to make his point with rape idioms was a very hot button.

  • tonytone1908

    @srolleDFS said...

    putz, you have to be fair.

    some people did get REALLY offended about the possibility that casually tossing around rape metaphors wasnt cool. for them, gabey’s right to make his point with rape idioms was a very hot button.

    Sorry, the term rape and pillage is a far cry from the word rape. It’s been used in literature for centuries and I’m not positive but it may have even been used in the bible. There is no way in the world that should or could be misconstrued as having anything to do with “rape” in the form and the words that we use it, ALONE. Sorry, that’s just not the case here.

    I’m sure there were many books that were and are still required reading in high school that referred or mentioned rape and pillage. It should not even be a topic and as much as I disagree with this article Gabe used the term as its intended, to misconstrue it as something different is ludicrous and takes away from the main point of the article you all are so concerned about.

    He’s doing something you all want and then want to get semantic about. You all really are that thick headed aren’t you? Smh.

  • tonytone1908

    @srolleDFS said...

    putz, you have to be fair.

    some people did get REALLY offended about the possibility that casually tossing around rape metaphors wasnt cool. for them, gabey’s right to make his point with rape idioms was a very hot button.

    It’s not a rape metaphor. Have you ever read a book? Come on man. Hating on the guy because he’s more intelligent and has a bigger vocabulary than you is just a joke.

  • emac

    @tonytone1908 said...

    It’s not a rape metaphor. Have you ever read a book? Come on man. Hating on the guy because he’s more intelligent and has a bigger vocabulary than you is just a joke.

    Pillage and Plunder would have shown even more of a vocabulary and better alliteration…but alas, it would not have been nearly as effective click-bait, sadly.

  • Putz

    @emac said...

    Pillage and Plunder would have shown even more of a vocabulary and better alliteration…but alas, it would not have been nearly as effective click-bait, sadly.

    “Every Saturday morning, Unclehank tried to pillage and plunder emac’s CFB h2h’s,” just doesn’t sound right.

  • emac

    @Putz said...

    “Every Saturday morning, Unclehank tried to pillage and plunder emac’s CFB h2h’s,” just doesn’t sound right.

  • srolleDFS

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Sorry, the term rape and pillage is a far cry from the word rape. It’s been used in literature for centuries and I’m not positive but it may have even been used in the bible. There is no way in the world that should or could be misconstrued as having anything to do with “rape” in the form and the words that we use it, ALONE. Sorry, that’s just not the case here.

    thats not true. rape and pillage was used to describe the actions of vikings by english scholars of that time period. it was used to paint the vikings as terrible people who raped and pillaged. (the definition of rape at time included kidnapping, forced martiage, and rape). there is a place on the internet where you can type in any phrase and it will give you a list of websites relevant to that phrase. if u do it at the google site, u will find that the first result is the wikipedia page for wartime sexual violence, which includes a discussion of the vikings and “rale and pillage”. u will also find many sites discussing whether vikings were rapists and pillagers or not. its not a complicated process. that is what the rest of the world is talking about when they say “rape and pillage”. its really not complicated. u can google a phrase, in quotes if u like.

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  • TehSharp

    The funny thing about everything Gabey said and this whole discussion is that most of it’s a simple problem to solve. Just limit the sharks from entering lower stakes GPPs, 50/50s and H2Hs, (I’m sure the sites could limit players with six and seven figure earnings from entering contests less than $20) and offer more single entry tournaments. Simply cater to the lower stakes players as much as the sites cater to the sharks, because you need the fish to continue having a business model. Am I the only one who thinks would solve 90 percent of what everyone is pissed about?

  • tonytone1908

    @srolleDFS said...

    thats not true. rape and pillage was used to describe the actions of vikings by english scholars of that time period. it was used to paint the vikings as terrible people who raped and pillaged. (the definition of rape at time included kidnapping, forced martiage, and rape). there is a place on the internet where you can type in any phrase and it will give you a list of websites relevant to that phrase. if u do it at the google site, u will find that the first result is the wikipedia page for wartime sexual violence, which includes a discussion of the vikings and “rale and pillage”. u will also find many sites discussing whether vikings were rapists and pillagers or not. its not a complicated process. that is what the rest of the world is talking about when they say “rape and pillage”. its really not complicated. u can google a phrase, in quotes if u like.

    It’s a commonly used phrase that inherently means nothing such as, I’ll kill you, or its hotter than hell. That’s it. Don’t even try to make it more than its not.

    By even trying to do so is just taking away from the whole point of the thread, whether I agree with it or not.

    Why are the same people that are bitching that this is what they want complaining about the trivialities matter in which it’s been brought about?

    Worry about the things that actually matter.

    Your mama wears army boots. Now let’s talk about how stupid that comment is and miss the whole point of the thread completely some more.

  • tonytone1908

    @TehSharp said...

    The funny thing about everything Gabey said and this whole discussion is that most of it’s a simple problem to solve. Just limit the sharks from entering lower stakes GPPs, 50/50s and H2Hs, (I’m sure the sites could limit players with six and seven figure earnings from entering contests less than $20) and offer more single entry tournaments. Simply cater to the lower stakes players as much as the sites cater to the sharks, because you need the fish to continue having a business model. Am I the only one who thinks would solve 90 percent of what everyone is pissed about?

    No you’re completely right. But that’s really the only thing people have to complain about and they want to muddle it up with a multitude of other issues. Had any of these multiple threads in the past 6 months stayed completely on that point and that point alone this may have been solved by now and without unnecessary government intervention. But everyone only confused the topic with other conspiracy theories that haven’t or ever will be proven true. Frye-day, Maxdalury with 800 entries, script bitching.

    Everyone derailed the threads into things that took away from this point. Had it remained the focus you may have seen internal change take place.

    As you can see from this thread, we have a hard time staying on topic. Always.

  • eKing

    There are more than a few users out there who are using scripts to auto-scoop zero to little win users in h2h on FD. This is one of the biggest problems in DFS, but often overlooked cause everyone is too busy worrying about “max” entry gpps. Just cause the issue doesn’t apply to you directly (same for me) doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye and let it continue.

    There needs to be restrictions on H2Hs and 3-10 man leagues. Yes, one could have 10000 wins and 30000 losses which would make FD wins a little useless aside from noticing experience (which doesn’t always translate to “pro”). Someone could also have 100 wins with a 100k in profit and therefore should be unable to classify as a “beginner”.

    FD needs to apply their internal data or give users more options, such as the ability to apply their our own user-restrictions within their games….. and on a personal note, I strongly dislike the same user having the ability to join all of my 3-mans. One per person is fine.

  • CrazyGabey

    @donnybasbl said...

    C’mon man……he’s always been more about building his brand than providing any valuable content.

    That being said, I have no idea what that brand is.

    The first intelligent thing I’ve read online today.

  • CrazyGabey

    @bjschram said...

    This. Although I don’t think he is trying to be satirical or funny. I think he is honestly just really proud about having so much attention. Its like those kids who smoke weed for the first time and change their twitter handle to @420forLife with a big pot leaf as their picture.

    I even agree with some of the stuff he said, just really embarrassed to admit that and be associated with him in any way.

    I received far more attention each day when I hosted a show with thousands of viewers. How is this even a theory? I wanted 500 angry lunatics spewing venom all over my timeline? As opposed to hosting a live show? C’mon you guys. Yes I’m brand-conscious, and yes I have a background in social media marketing. That doesn’t mean I’m clinically insane.

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