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  • Placebo

    Crystal ball time

    I don’t pick teams ….Team Pepsi – Team Coke ….Team Democrat – Team Republican …..Team FanDuel – Team DraftKings ….but I can’t imagine FanDuel retains their current position in the market 5 years from now. With all the new stuff coming aboard (Yahoo, ESPN, etc) in the near future, the site’s limitations will become more and more of a problem. And I know, I know ….“changes don’t happen over night”, and “I don’t think people understand what it takes to recode things” …but you can’t keep making excuses over large periods of time as to why your site and it’s technology is light years behind. FD is the ‘big dog’ in the market and you can’t even use their site to monitor live game activity? Well, I guess you can, but you can punch yourself in the face too, doesn’t make it a good idea. Takes 30 times longer to enter contests, no ‘in-the-lineup’ indicator in the player pool, no opponent SP information displayed, etc. Now, I’m an idiot, and FD could literally be rolling out monstrous upgrades tomorrow and I would have no idea. But if not, you can’t just keep stankin up the joint with a poor product and hope to retain status. The player volume and ‘brand value’ alone won’t be able to keep the ship afloat long-term.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @Putz said...

    Just remember DK had their issues several times last year as well. The threads were epic and fhe CEO had to comment. The people that threatened to quit DK are still playing there.

    Yup but that has not been the norm every year since 2010 for them. And the only other option for people was FD. If it happens this year at DK i suspect you will see a bigger exodus. I do not expect it from them, but you can set your watch to the FD issues.

  • Putz

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Yup but that has not been the norm every year since 2010 for them. And the only other option for people was FD. If it happens this year at DK i suspect you will see a bigger exodus. I do not expect it from them, but you can set your watch to the FD issues.

    Very true. Rinse, wash, repeat.

  • Cal

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    You’re right to expect a better experience in some areas of the site and everyone I’ve talked to at Fanduel feels the same. They are not light years behind, but there are some really important things – like the difficulty of finding and following your teams on the desktop site when your games are live – that are frustrating.

    I can tell you’ve heard this before, but Fanduel knows and they are addressing it. They have a lot of sharp minds working on difficult problems on a platform with heavy volume and lots of risk. They need to be deliberate. It would be great if Fanduel kept players better updated about what they are working on currently/next – that would help manage this sentiment.

    Here’s one big thing I can point to that I think helps. Look at this Careers page linked below. Their Scotland-based dev team is hiring non stop. Four of the six listed jobs have “multiple” written beside it. Also, I for one am really excited to see a 3rd party API listed as a priority :)

    https://www.fanduel.com/careers

    Edinburgh

    Elixir Developer
    Data Processing and MI Developer
    DevOps Engineer – Multiple Positions
    Java Developer – Multiple Positions
    Front-end Engineer – Multiple Positions
    Python Developer – Multiple Positions

    FanDuel is the market leader in North America for daily fantasy sports. Our fantasy sports engine already handles more than 4 million entries a week, with over 125,000 entries per hour at peak periods in the week. We have more than tripled in size in the last 12 months and expect to continue growing at the same rate. To support this we are building a new highly scalable bespoke Java game platform, a cutting edge mobile first web application and an API for use in mobile apps and 3rd party applications.

  • donkshow

    Their app is awesome. Lightyears ahead of their desktop site.

  • meerkatmreow

    @sethayates said...

    I second this. Hard to match up stats pulled from other sites to players when one is named Matt HarveyP and the other is Matt Harvey.

    Is it that hard to have excel drop the last letter if it’s a capital P? Seems like a pretty straightforward thing to do for most programming languages. Then again, I’m of the opinion that excel isn’t the right tool for the job for much more than viewing results in a .csv

  • FantasyAcumen

    @donkshow said...

    Their app is awesome. Lightyears ahead of their desktop site.

    Think this is a short term problem but possibly a long term blessing. I’m 43 and can’t see well even when sober. I have no desire to use a small iPhone screen to create lineups. However, in ten years, the next generation of DFSers will not have my issues.

    As for the FD vs. DK debate, I’m over it. I’m actually not a huge fan of either site. I play on each sometimes but not frequently. The wonderful thing about this industry is that we have multiple platforms to choose from and discovering them is often part of the fun. Basically, to each their own.

    Regarding the “you’re just bitching” posts, just stop please. There is nothing wrong with asking more from a company to which you pay money. The posters are simply stating improvements they’d like to see. Chances are that FD, DK, etc. are glad to get this type of free marketing research. And as someone previously posted, just as they don’t have to play on site A, you didn’t have to click the link to this thread.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    @Cal said...

    You’re right to expect a better experience in some areas of the site and everyone I’ve talked to at Fanduel feels the same. They are not light years behind, but there are some really important things – like the difficulty of finding and following your teams on the desktop site when your games are live – that are frustrating.

    I can tell you’ve heard this before, but Fanduel knows and they are addressing it. They have a lot of sharp minds working on difficult problems on a platform with heavy volume and lots of risk. They need to be deliberate. It would be great if Fanduel kept players better updated about what they are working on currently/next – that would help manage this sentiment.

    Here’s one big thing I can point to that I think helps. Look at this Careers page linked below. Their Scotland-based dev team is hiring non stop. Four of the six listed jobs have “multiple” written beside it. Also, I for one am really excited to see a 3rd party API listed as a priority :)

    https://www.fanduel.com/careers

    Edinburgh

    Elixir Developer
    Data Processing and MI Developer
    DevOps Engineer – Multiple Positions
    Java Developer – Multiple Positions
    Front-end Engineer – Multiple Positions
    Python Developer – Multiple Positions

    FanDuel is the market leader in North America for daily fantasy sports. Our fantasy sports engine already handles more than 4 million entries a week, with over 125,000 entries per hour at peak periods in the week. We have more than tripled in size in the last 12 months and expect to continue growing at the same rate. To support this we are building a new highly scalable bespoke Java game platform, a cutting edge mobile first web application and an API for use in mobile apps and 3rd party applications.

    That’s an excellent job description. Puts into perspective where they are focusing their efforts.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @Cal said...

    FanDuel is the market leader in North America for daily fantasy sports. Our fantasy sports engine already handles more than 4 million entries a week, with over 125,000 entries per hour at peak periods in the week. We have more than tripled in size in the last 12 months and expect to continue growing at the same rate. To support this we are building a new highly scalable bespoke Java game platform, a cutting edge mobile first web application and an API for use in mobile apps and 3rd party applications.

    Its great to see them finally updating their software. I think we can all agree it should have be done years ago. Nothing like having two new Billion dollar competitors to force their hand. But like my old papi used to say, better late than pregnant.

  • Putz

    I agree with Rob. I am big on FD criticism, but its good to see them finally moving. Other sites have normalization issues well. DK, for example, bolds the home team, but it does not show up on their CSV. I’ll try the Firefox copy table plugin to see if that does the trick. For CFB, players from smaller schools aren’t as easily associated with their team.

  • mjtaxpro

    Seth you can do this in excel with the following formula. =LEFT-1)

    It will remove the last letter from whatever is in cell A1, then just copy the formula down.

    EDIT: For some reason, the actual entire formula I posted doesn’t show up, only a portion of it does. Message me if you’re interested in it.

  • YoungFischer

    =IF(EXACT,UPPER)),LEFT-4),IF(EXACT,UPPER)),LEFT-3),IF(EXACT,UPPER)),LEFT-2),IF(EXACT,UPPER)),LEFT-1),B2))))

    Replace B2 in that formula with whatever cell is the players name in your spreadsheet. It will identify and strip out up to four trailing capital letters such at DL, P, NA, DTD, etc.

  • YoungFischer

    Looks like RG is stripping out the Excel syntax so that formula won’t work. Sorry guys, you’ll need to figure it out on your own.

    Hint: Use some combo of UPPER, EXACT, LEN, and RIGHT formulas

  • rotokevin

    2014 RG Bowling Co-Champion, CPA & DFS Tax Guru

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @sethayates said...

    I second this. Hard to match up stats pulled from other sites to players when one is named Matt HarveyP and the other is Matt Harvey.

    There have been a lot of suggested fixes to this issue, but my preferred method is to simply append an asterisk to the name in my player DB before looking up the price from the site download.

    Such as:
    Equals “cell ref for Matt Harvey”&“asterisk” in (Array).

    This will solve not only for the appended “P” for probable starters, but also for “DTD” or “DL” as well.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    the simplest will be having the “P” or the “DTD” or anything else be its own column in the CSV file. I don’t need it in the same column as the name. it can’t be that hard.

  • wideopen23

    When i was grinding at online poker we would hear the same complaints about Party Poker vs. Poker stars. The funny part is that OP thought his opinion was nothing like pepsi vs. coke when in reality that is exactly what this discussion is all about. Personal preference.

    From my online poker experience, if FD introduces a massive update to their product there will be plenty of people complaining and calling for the “old” version. You simply can’t make everyone happy.

  • Placebo

    In response to tonitone…

    Dude, I tried to make it clear this wasn’t a Team X vs Team Y post. Just a projection based on a perpetually weak product.

  • Placebo

    In response to julieduke…

    Lol @ all the people who say they’re tired of the FD v DK debate ……while unnecessarily bringing up the FD v DK debate.

  • Placebo

    @tonytone1908 said...

    if that happens I guarantee you it’s not because of DK or from failing to change itself into the same product as DK, it’ll be because people will prefer to deal with ESPN or Yahoo if/when they do decide to enter as competition. They’re not about to go bankrupt. Do you realize how silly easy it is for them to make money? It’s basically a software program that runs numbes and takes 15% of all the money that goes through them. Until people stop complaining and finally just play somewhere else, that’s not going to change.

    Please see “in 5 years” comment in original post. That’s the point. People WILL play somewhere else, and are only stuck playing their now because of their volume and lack of other options. Maybe even a site you can visit to view game progress? :) I just think it’s funny they’ve made nearly zero improvements in years. Could personally care less if site X or Y survives…

  • Placebo

    @wideopen23 said...

    When i was grinding at online poker we would hear the same complaints about Party Poker vs. Poker stars. The funny part is that OP thought his opinion was nothing like pepsi vs. coke when in reality that is exactly what this discussion is all about. Personal preference.

    From my online poker experience, if FD introduces a massive update to their product there will be plenty of people complaining and calling for the “old” version. You simply can’t make everyone happy.

    Personal preference stuff would be the lineup indicator, opposing SP information, 1 SP v multiple SPs, etc. That’s all understandable, and it’s nice to have options based on what you prefer. I’m focusing on site efficiency and general ease of use. Entering games, viewing progress, etc. The basics. Which is a reasonable expectation from any site, let alone the biggest, most-seasoned site. Perhaps they need to hire me on as VP of Operations? DM me FD. :)

  • theoddsmaker

    I was ignored in the first page looks like but I will say it again…listen up to those that don’t like Matt HarveyP!!!

    FD added an export to CSV button on lineup page. just add this to the right =CONCATENATE first name,” “, last name

    That’s it. 0% of any issues when doing what I described above.

  • dakimbell

    One thing I would love FanDuel to implement is an ability to nick name your lineups. (I.E. Giants stack, or Coors, etc). This would be very helpful for those who are entering a lot of lineups on a given night, both editing lineups for players not starting, and for following how each lineup is doing as the games are being played.

  • rotokevin

    2014 RG Bowling Co-Champion, CPA & DFS Tax Guru

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @theoddsmaker said...

    FD added an export to CSV button on lineup page

    Where is this button? I continue to use the table grabber extension. Am I the only one that can’t find the export to CSV button?

  • Jeff7kv

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    @rotokevin said...

    Where is this button? I continue to use the table grabber extension. Am I the only one that can’t find the export to CSV button?

    O.o

  • rotokevin

    2014 RG Bowling Co-Champion, CPA & DFS Tax Guru

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @rotokevin said...

    Where is this button? I continue to use the table grabber extension. Am I the only one that can’t find the export to CSV button?

    Ah, found it. It’s not available on the initial draft screen, but does appear when I edit a saved lineup. How FanDuel of an improvement.

  • jfand30

    @rotokevin said...

    Ah, found it. It’s not available on the initial draft screen, but does appear when I edit a saved lineup. How FanDuel of an improvement.

    Thank you for finding it, I thought I was going insane looking for the export button. Also thank you theoddsmaker.

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