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  • eKing

    Tell me I’m not the only person who watched this game? lol.

    I could have swore he made 2 catches, a short catch and then a 40+ yarder a few plays later. I don’t recall a penalty negating either play. During the game, every site showed his stats having 2 catches for 55 yards, but the final tally (20 mins after the game ended) brought his catches down to 1 and minus any yards. This is a complete error. I rarely complain, or “come out of the shadows”, but that -1.5 (or so) took me from 1st to 2nd in the late slate. I’m sure I’m not the only one effected. I hope I missed something, but that doesn’t seem to be the case…. Be careful folks.

    P.S. At this time, Yahoo still has him 2 catches for 55 yards. Fox Sports has both catches in their play-by-play.

  • ediederichsen

    If it was a DK pro it would have gotten fixed. :)

  • bacon6966

    @mberkowi said...

    Scoring error costing people lots of money? Is it NHL season already? In my experience the big sites seem to have the attitude of whatever Stats Inc says is gospel. Some of the smaller sites will work with you to make things right.

    Seems FD has their shit together, at least when it comes to this. Only site dropping the ball here is DK and it is extremely unfortunate. Maybe they correct it tomorrow but at this point that would shock me more than if they did nothing at all.

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    According to the official stats logged by the NCAA, he only had one catch. So that’s the official stats for Wilson. All the people that lost money because of this want to use the UNOFFICIAL stats of yahoo and cbs, while all the people who moved up because of this want to use the OFFICIAL stats of the NCAA.

    I’m not saying it’s right. But if I am buying a product I would want the OFFICIAL stats to be used. asking them to change this is currently the same as asking them to use the UNOFFICIAL stats. Put yourself in the shoes of a new person to DFS. While checking out the site would you want to read: “We use unofficial stats”?

    I am sorry for those this screwed and I hope you get compensation for your loss. I’m just presenting what may be the site’s view of the situation.

  • bacon6966

    But they are not using stats provided the NCAA…they use the stats provided by STATS LLC which has Wilson having logged 2 catches for 55 yards. Let’s also be honest, is it really unofficial if everyone watching the game saw it? I mean, come on. Someone entered the incorrect number and lots of people got screwed by it. The compensation should be DK fixing it and rewarding those what they won or should have won.

  • DCoop328

    Here’s the deal. I am impartial since I did not play the late slate. I watched the game. DeRunnya caught 2 passes for 55 yards. Everyone with him needs to get paid out as so. The only acceptable mistakes are a yard maybe two in discrepancies between sites. You need to get paid for what actually happened for the game. If Stats makes a mistake, and it is figured out the next day DraftKings has to make the fix as you are not building lineups based on what you believe Stats will score the game but how the game actually occurs.

  • tclii85

    @DCoop328 said...

    Here’s the deal. I am impartial since I did not play the late slate. I watched the game. DeRunnya caught 2 passes for 55 yards. Everyone with him needs to get paid out as so. The only acceptable mistakes are a yard maybe two in discrepancies between sites. You need to get paid for what actually happened for the game. If Stats makes a mistake, and it is figured out the next day DraftKings has to make the fix as you are not building lineups based on what you believe Stats will score the game but how the game actually occurs.

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  • bacon6966

    The latest email I got from the DK support team included the following and I quote:

    “We apologize for the inconvenience but we follow what STATS LLC reports for statistics and the NCAA does as well. Per the official box score, De’Runnya Wilson finished with 1 catch for 42 yards and was properly credited these stats. If you have any further questions please let me know!”

    I called him out on this as while the NCAA website does have Wilson down for 1 catch for 42 yards, STATS LLC clearly has Wilson down for 2 catches for 55 yards. If this doesn’t get the mistake fixed I don’t what will. If they have to come out of pocket to pay those who get what they deserve, so be it but the ship needs to righted and people need to get paid what they are owed.

  • bacon6966

    Basic rule of thumb I got from Draftkings support: they don’t give a crap about the customer. They refuse to follow Fanduel in fixing it and making the correct payments.

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    How do you see what “STATS” has recorded? Did you purchase their product?

  • bacon6966

    You can just look at the website…just did a simple search for “stats llc college football” and was able to look up the game.

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    Thats crazy how it seems they (being ESPN) credited the catch to a Defensive Back (Kevon Coman). I dont know if that has been brought up yet or not.

  • hendry

    corrections occur in all sports. i would absolutely NEVER want the dfs site to use different stats than what their stats provider reports. If the final box score comes in without the correction that sucks but you can’t have sites going rogue.

    see: Draftkings soccer stat provider issues

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @topscout said...

    My point is sites as a rule do not go in and adjust points They prefer to go with what STATS determines the correct number is.

    The sites should NEVER be manually adjusting statistics. That would open a huge can of worms. They HAVE to go with what their stat provider says.

    That being said, they should be looking into these issues with their stat provider as soon as they are notified by users and hold off on paying out contests until the “issue” is reconfirmed by the stat provider. Once that happens, if that official box score still contains an “error,” then there is not really much else they can do. According to the official box score of their stat provider, there is not an error. Again, they cannot and should be not be adjusting scoring that is not in the box score from their stat provider at the time the contests are paid out.

    I have no idea how Fanduel would “correct” this and Draftkings would not. That does not make any sense when they both use the same stat provider.

  • stlcardinals84

    Leading RG Analyst

    • 2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2018 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    Better watch out or this problem is going to De’Runnya over.

    I’ll see myself out.

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    The sites should NEVER be manually adjusting statistics. That would open a huge can of worms. They HAVE to go with what their stat provider says.

    That being said, they should be looking into these issues with their stat provider as soon as they are notified by users and hold off on paying out contests until the “issue” is reconfirmed by the stat provider. Once that happens, if that official box score still contains an “error,” then there is not really much else they can do. According to the official box score of their stat provider, there is not an error. Again, they cannot and should be not be adjusting scoring that is not in the box score from their stat provider at the time the contests are paid out.

    I have no idea how Fanduel would “correct” this and Draftkings would not. That does not make any sense when they both use the same stat provider.

    Agreed. If I understand correctly. STATS originally had 1-42-0 stat line for Wilson when payouts occured. Then afterwards, STATS corrected it to 2-55-0. Fanduel came out of their pocket to compensate those who this affected. Draftkings has done no such thing. That is where the issue lies. Someone correct me if I’m wrong….

  • sethayates

    Always have to be careful talking about STAT corrections costing you money. You never know when Makisupa will show up, drop this link then drop the mic and walk out.

    (For those that don’t understand the context. Makisupa took 2nd in the DK FBWC because Westbrook was incorrectly awarded a 10th rebound and triple-double. If STATs were corrected he would have won an additional $750,000)

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    The sites should NEVER be manually adjusting statistics. That would open a huge can of worms. They HAVE to go with what their stat provider says.

    That being said, they should be looking into these issues with their stat provider as soon as they are notified by users and hold off on paying out contests until the “issue” is reconfirmed by the stat provider. Once that happens, if that official box score still contains an “error,” then there is not really much else they can do. According to the official box score of their stat provider, there is not an error. Again, they cannot and should be not be adjusting scoring that is not in the box score from their stat provider at the time the contests are paid out.

    I have no idea how Fanduel would “correct” this and Draftkings would not. That does not make any sense when they both use the same stat provider.

    basically looks like Fanduel waited to settle until they got the official word from stats when they had people email them. while DK looks like they ignored the emails and just settled.

    I wonder how long the settlement time is for FD compared to DK? Maybe DK settles contests too soon? but looks like FD does it correctly for situations exactly like this.

  • db730

    RotoGrinders Media Director

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    Are we sure FD still uses STATS? http://fsta.org/fanduel-teams-with-sportradar-to-bring-daily-fantasy-players-the-fastest-nfl-scores-and-stats/

    I know this mentions NFL, but would kind of be surprised if they only used them for one feed, but I suppose it’s possible.

  • bacon6966

    I would love to see how many people emailed them regarding it before payouts occured. If it’s quite a few I couldn’t see how they would process the payments and ignore all of them that came in.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

    • Blogger of the Month

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    @db730 said...

    Are we sure FD still uses STATS? http://fsta.org/fanduel-teams-with-sportradar-to-bring-daily-fantasy-players-the-fastest-nfl-scores-and-stats/

    I know this mentions NFL, but would kind of be surprised if they only used them for one feed, but I suppose it’s possible.

    pretty sure I still see STATS on their rules page

    “Scoring Revisions

    During the game we receive live scoring from our stats provider, Stats Inc. After the game has ended they pass us a final box score for the game. After we receive and confirm the box scores for all the day’s games we then settle all entries. However, very rarely, the leagues and stats provider revise the box scores after the final box score has been released. In the event of this occurring the player scores on FanDuel will not be updated and the settlements will not be revised. Note that this is not the same situation as a case where a correction needs to be made after settlement due to a problem with the data feed or the settlement process. In these cases the settlement process (including payment) may be reversed and games resettled correctly. “

  • bacon6966

    Same response I got from DK regarding corrections. However it does seem like FD puts in more effort to checking final box scores. Maybe it’s time for a switch.

  • johnnyjohnny848

    Really stupid DK doesnt put any effort in trying to correct this for the customers the ones that are paying for the games. DK needs to start showing some respect its not rocket science to delay payouts a little bit until they can get the correct stats. Pretty baffling really, hopefully DK wise’s up so for nfl season so theres no big controversy, but doubt it DK only cares about ads rather than the players.

  • waiverwire

    Just to confirm – we do still use Stats. They initially had the scoring wrong, but when we notified them of the error, they corrected it prior to our settling contests.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @hambazaza said...

    basically looks like Fanduel waited to settle until they got the official word from stats when they had people email them. while DK looks like they ignored the emails and just settled.

    I wonder how long the settlement time is for FD compared to DK? Maybe DK settles contests too soon? but looks like FD does it correctly for situations exactly like this.

    This is the scenario that makes sense. Fanduel held off paying out contests until they got this corrected with STATS, Inc, as they should. DK must have paid out their contests before this issue was settled/corrected.

    I think their customer service should be a little more diligent in explaining what happened to their customers (stat correction occurred after contests were paid). I also think it would be better practice to hold off on paying out contests should they have multiple support tickets on the same issue. Just my opinion.

  • bolu

    It’s hard for them because they get a lot emails that the stats are wrong in situation where they are just delayed

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