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  • BurrTheBaddestB

    I’d like to first start this thread off by offering up a nice, big (albeit backhanded) congrats to four fine gentlemen on creating such a solid lineup for last night’s main NBA slate over on FanDuel. With that being said, here’s the 1K NBA Mini Shot contest where I noticed DFS players “bigbadjayman”, “mcbruce575”, “nando2”, and “rocketrubly” taking and tying for third place with the same lineup (and even more astonishing, their chosen players appearing in the EXACT same order).

    I personally don’t see the benefit of doing this in such a small contest other than colluding to split winnings down the middle. With that being said, though, the real question for me is this: “Why” and “Is this NOT against the rules” regardless? If this is so blatantly happening by the “small guys” in minimal risk/reward tournaments, we can all only imagine what goes on in the big GPP’s (regardless of entry fee) where it can’t be noticed quite as easily.

    With that being said (and just in case the link doesn’t work for some), their lineups consisted of the following players (in the EXACT same order, from top to bottom):

    PG: Westbrook
    PG: Irving
    SG: Harden
    SG: Shumpert
    SF: Barnes
    SF: Ingles
    PF: Morris
    PF: Powell
    C: Thompson

    I mean, c’mon.

  • JimKronlund

    @anilprao88 said...

    people who do this in GPPs are just lighting money on fire. Guaranteeing that your lineup is going to be duped at least once and likely many times more than that is a great way to lose a bunch of money

    In GPP your LU strategy is completely different and dupes are not that big of an issue.
    Edit: I guess I am talking from golf perspective.

  • emitnulB

    • 82

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #4

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • 2019 $1M Prize Winner

    • 2018 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    If only all my opponents intentionally played the same lineup in gpps….

  • timusbr

    @sambo58 said...

    personally done very well just hitting optimize

    I think the optimizer stinks. but I guess that depends on the projection data used.

    I dont play much Basketball so cant speak to it specifically. I do play Multilineups and I build my own lineups. I use a method that generally I see how DK sorts and places the order of players. such as 3 WR or 6 golfers. I know that I am frustrated by the results of what lineup is where (in the 50) and which player is listed in which appropriate spot. I cant tell you they have a rhyme, reason, or program protocol that i can figure out.

    So each LU being in the same order doesnt surprise me and doesnt constitute a collaboration.

  • Pitch120

    Play single entries. The end

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    ^
    What does that solve? Single entry and cash is even worse because the expectation is you are playing individual users…in these instances single entry is now GPP playing against paid lu’s lineup generators or groups playing the same lineup.

    I’m at the point where I’m done complaining about the various site issues and just going to say that as a lower stakes player who’s played across all sports daily now for a couple years, I’m close to done…between the shitty payout structures. Sellers/optimizers, increasing rake…it’s not only not worth it but it’s also not fun.

  • anoor

    Single entries have small prize pools, I honestly dont mind the multi entries, anyone making more than one lineup is making a suboptimal lineup. Most people that utilize multientry and losing players…

  • sethayates

    @anoor said...

    Single entries have small prize pools, I honestly dont mind the multi entries, anyone making more than one lineup is making a suboptimal lineup. Most people that utilize multientry and losing players…

    Are you trying to say that:

    1.) Your projections are so incredibly accurate that you always pick the right player when deciding on a 1 vs. 1 or 2 vs. 2 swap?

    And:

    2. You think it is impossible on a large slate to have two lineups that project for exactly the same amount?

  • dubchr7

    • Blogger of the Month

    noticed last night in the $10 50/50 on fanduel that 2 HIGHLY EXPERIENCED HIGHLY RESPECTED players had the exact same lineup in the exact same order. One is a BIG member of Fantasy Labs and the other is a BIG contributor here at RG. Doubt they are using the same optimizer since they are both from different sites.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @dubchr7 said...

    noticed last night in the $10 50/50 on fanduel that 2 HIGHLY EXPERIENCED HIGHLY RESPECTED players had the exact same lineup in the exact same order. One is a BIG member of Fantasy Labs and the other is a BIG contributor here at RG. Doubt they are using the same optimizer since they are both from different sites.

    It was a 4 game slate. You may want to wait for a bigger slate before you tighten the noose.

  • timusbr

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I’m at the point where I’m done complaining about the various site issues and just going to say that as a lower stakes player who’s played across all sports daily now for a couple years, I’m close to done…between the shitty payout structures. Sellers/optimizers, increasing rake…it’s not only not worth it but it’s also not fun.

    Some peoples complaints are to see if we can change things, some people just giving into they are out to get me.

    Low stakes gambling is cut throat – always has been always will be. But this sentiment is out there.. I had it but it was fleeting. What can I say Im a degenerate.

  • Tammy409

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I’d like to first start this thread off by offering up a nice, big (albeit backhanded) congrats to four fine gentlemen on creating such a solid lineup for last night’s main NBA slate over on FanDuel. With that being said, here’s the 1K NBA Mini Shot contest where I noticed DFS players “bigbadjayman”, “mcbruce575”, “nando2”, and “rocketrubly” taking and tying for third place with the same lineup (and even more astonishing, their chosen players appearing in the EXACT same order).

    I personally don’t see the benefit of doing this in such a small contest other than colluding to split winnings down the middle. With that being said, though, the real question for me is this: “Why” and “Is this NOT against the rules” regardless? If this is so blatantly happening by the “small guys” in minimal risk/reward tournaments, we can all only imagine what goes on in the big GPP’s (regardless of entry fee) where it can’t be noticed quite as easily.

    With that being said (and just in case the link doesn’t work for some), their lineups consisted of the following players (in the EXACT same order, from top to bottom):

    PG: Westbrook
    PG: Irving
    SG: Harden
    SG: Shumpert
    SF: Barnes
    SF: Ingles
    PF: Morris
    PF: Powell
    C: Thompson

    I mean, c’mon.

    That appears to be a very respectable; albeit chalky, Lineup. Looks like a FanDuel wet dream…

  • Tammy409

    @kb32dawgs said...

    But it’s to screw the guy coming in second when he should have gotten 40k? I mean the dude had the second best lineup in a 500k GPP and got 150 bucks. Hows that any different?

    If he’d beaten that one lineup, he’d have had all the first prize dough. There are two sides to this coin; as if sitting in 2Oth behind 19 duped lineups: I A). Only have to beat one and not 19 to take it down, and B). Will win a ton more money than I would if they capped entries or cut out all the suspect practices .

  • EadesScience

    I have an old philosophy that I live by in all aspects of my life including DFS…..I only let things bother or get to me in which I have control. If it is beyond my control then it basically is what it is and I have a choice of just living with it or walking away from it. In the case of this thread, I don’t have the power in me to stop the collaboration, sharing, etc so because I deeply love DFS and the entertainment it provides me I just live with these little annoyances and try my best to beat my competition.

    Thanks for reading,

    Ricky

  • rainbowtroutman

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    it’s not only not worth it but it’s also not fun.

    delete

  • rainbowtroutman

    @bhdevault said...

    It was a 4 game slate. You may want to wait for a bigger slate before you tighten the noose.

    deleted

  • Heterodox

    @EadesScience said...

    I have an old philosophy that I live by in all aspects of my life including DFS…..I only let things bother or get to me in which I have control. If it is beyond my control then it basically is what it is and I have a choice of just living with it or walking away from it. In the case of this thread, I don’t have the power in me to stop the collaboration, sharing, etc so because I deeply love DFS and the entertainment it provides me I just live with these little annoyances and try my best to beat my competition.

    Knowing what you’re up against is relevant to beating your competition.

    There’s something to be said for just putting information out there, whether or not anything’s going to change. This was the point Mphst always made, which I always agreed with. Whether or not you think it’s wrong or against the rules, playing against teams of people or multiple people with the same lineup is different than playing against a single competitor, and people should be made aware of what the landscape is so they can decide for themselves if they want anything to do with it.

  • biglucky

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    draftkings.com/contest/draftteam/35985435

    These guys are sitting together all over the place in 5 man contests……..Who cares right….

  • Heterodox

    Try the link again

  • tsteeves

    The contest biglucky referenced is a 5 man single entry tournament

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/draftteam/35985435 and click on full contest details to see the entrants

    We all know papa and chipotle work together.

  • JimmyTango

    DFS is simply getting tougher to win. There’s so much more data out there and pretty much everyone has access to it. Whatever edge that once existed is getting smaller by the day. I think this is the biggest threat to the industry, and there’s not much that can be done about it, IMO. The one positive for the industry is that DFS is addictive, so plenty of users will continue to play long after they realize they can’t win.

  • biglucky

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    Well I have a brother and he plays DFS too but we never sit together, but since I see this on the regular i am wondering is it ok to do so?

  • mannmicj

    The guys who created sites are making money because people are willing to pay for their content. They needed to create a website because they are no long making the same profit from just playing DFS. The rake and payout structures are awful all over and especially on DK. Once everyone ran out to make a website to sell “content”, it was an obvious sign that things were going down hill fast. No one wants to be original, they would rather just hold hands with others and share lineups. Even in single entry you will find many folks just running the same lineup. Many of them pros who just share.

  • mannmicj

    @dubchr7 said...

    noticed last night in the $10 50/50 on fanduel that 2 HIGHLY EXPERIENCED HIGHLY RESPECTED players had the exact same lineup in the exact same order. One is a BIG member of Fantasy Labs and the other is a BIG contributor here at RG. Doubt they are using the same optimizer since they are both from different sites

    Happens all the time. Large slates and small slate. Sometimes exactly the same, other time just one player off.

  • Pitch120

    How about the two FD high stakes players who there was another thread about having the same lineup in cash games the last two nights (including some non popular players)

    When will this end????

  • dude_abides7

    @Pitch120 said...

    When will this end????

    When DFS ceases to exist.

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