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  • Ghosty401

    I started like most having success in season long. Figured I would have success in DFS. Did at first. I put in my time with research. I play NFL, NBA and MLB. MLB is my favorite DFS sport (due to variance). I started with cash had success. Moved to tournaments not so much (single and multi entry). Moved back to cash and still doest seem worth the energy and $$. Maybe I’m just not good enough and should move on. Again I know this topic has been brought up before. Its a hard industry to make $$, but I like the process and I’m a sports fans! Not complaining. Just wondering what are everyone’s thoughts???

  • lk2000

    If it’s no longer fun, you are not making money, and you are spending more money and time then you want to despite it no longer being fun and you not making money, consider taking a formal intermediate term or long term break. I did and spent last Thanksgiving weekend with my family without any idea of what was going on in the NFL, NBA or college football (no compulsive checking of box scores etc.) and it was an amazingly refreshing experience.

  • falcor

    I think for all the players that are questioning the time and $ they are putting into dfs they should focus efforts into something that they can control the benefits! Etc… exercise/benefiting ones wellness!!

  • chronoxiong

    Where are the DFS retirement papers? I am now on a 7 night losing streak as I have been feeling like a walking ATM machine through cash games. I am not happy about it because there is just no more edge. Lot of DFS players are now sharper and know what to do and who to play. I truly miss the old days now. The days when beating condia and 1ucror felt like an accomplishment. Now trying to win feels like a chore due to how much of a struggle it is to make that one lineup that will not have a bust. If you pick one guy who busts in your lineup, you are most likely donating to the masses because there is no edge anymore. Back then, that wasn’t the case. All the higher scoring games in the NBA results in many players possibly hitting value when just three or four years ago, that wasn’t the case. I have lost the fire in trying to figure this out. It used to be fun. But it’s not when I lose for 7 straight nights….

  • txdave41

    @chronoxiong said...

    Where are the DFS retirement papers? I am now on a 7 night losing streak as I have been feeling like a walking ATM machine through cash games. I am not happy about it because there is just no more edge. Lot of DFS players are now sharper and know what to do and who to play. I truly miss the old days now. The days when beating condia and 1ucror felt like an accomplishment. Now trying to win feels like a chore due to how much of a struggle it is to make that one lineup that will not have a bust. If you pick one guy who busts in your lineup, you are most likely donating to the masses because there is no edge anymore. Back then, that wasn’t the case. All the higher scoring games in the NBA results in many players possibly hitting value when just three or four years ago, that wasn’t the case. I have lost the fire in trying to figure this out. It used to be fun. But it’s not when I lose for 7 straight nights….

    There needs to be a DFS loser lounge or retirement thread so we can vent. lol I only played once last week and got beat in a H2H by .10 of a point. I can’t really take it anymore. I do miss the old days when it was about finding a fair and balanced lineup hitting 5X. Now you need stars and scrubs with ever scrub hitting like 8X and the stub scoring at least 55 pts.

  • Z1DANIEL

    Life is too short to have minimal fun for maximum effort. No matter who you are DFS is like playing the lottery. Expect nothing and you won’t be disappointed. I play GPP millionaire maker and have a great time on Sunday watching NFL Redzone knowing any profit at all is just a bonus to my being entertained. I also play small at a couple of betting sites as well. I am playing with very disposable income and really enjoy it. If it becomes anything more than fun I won’t do it. I have seen some people lose everything because it stopped being fun and became an addiction. Have fun with it. DFS makes all of us feel like morons once in awhile. Good luck and I hope you start to have fun again.

  • mambaland

    one thing for some it is an outlet for gambling addicts for one thing a way to get a fix when poker went down or they found a new high compared to yearly leagues. The mentality that I too can win is one you can chase forever…the wins never feel as good as the losses.

    My couple complaints are that with taxes and rake you almost can not win for long periods of time..i have gone 2 years without a 1099 and this year i will get a decent size one..problem is i cant recoup what i lost the last 2 or rather via the tax route..at least with gambling you can pick up tickets at races or lottery tix.

    the other is the same old 100 lineups all the same by 5-10 of the same guys daily…every wonder why most people who were large players often turn to selling info via websites or optimizers? its the adage if you cant do it teach it..more money on that end.

    The thought that all the so called experts or pro players are making money is one that has never been proven but people follow them and pay for their advice with little proof they have profited…remember the old advertising on tv where it said Joe blow won 50000 dollars…well they had to stop cause joe blow lost 300000 to win that so his net was never reported

    I have turned more to the style of throwing in lineups like lottery tickets in some events but when i see guys with 50 plus entries i stay out as 4 lineups is hard to compete with that BUT if you want to win big you almost have to throw them in..i have hit a couple big ones but have also been way down chasing them too…..

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Why do it if it isnt fun? You said you enjoy the process. Why not do research for sports betting instead? Lower rake, way better chance of being a winning player (although it is still difficult to be profitable at sports betting dont get me wrong). And you’re not competing against other people. I mean you could even do player prop bets. Need extra action and bigger payoffs? Do parlays. As more and more states legalize sports betting, people will wise up and leave DFS. It’ll be dead or a shell of it’s former self within 5 years.

  • mtdurham

    @lpdev said...

    Cash games are tough. It seems like $1 to $2 cash games would be easy money taken from casual players. That’s a common misconception. What you actually end up facing is a bunch of people willing to dedicate hours of research, pay for the top optimizer and tools, and listen to podcasts and live streams only to risk a few dollars in a handful of cash games. It seems silly, but that’s how it works. Your actual casual player doesn’t play every day. When they do play putting up a $1 to win $1.80 or whatever seems as silly as it sounds. Instead they are drawn to the GPPs where you can play $20 and have a shot at a huge return.

    hahaha… i actually laughed out loud at the “seems as silly as it sounds”

    so true

  • Trappist1

    It is hard work and you have to be in the 85th percentile of the players just to beat the rake.The variance is huge and most people underestimate it. If you decide to move and feel like you gave it your best effort that is fine. If not, go back to basics and see if there is areas in your home work you can improve on. Also temper expectations and accept it is long term grind.

  • 2Slik

    One of the big differences between poker and dfs is there’s a huge tipping point once +EV performance is honed in on and the opportunity to apply it. With the use of scripts one user can literally have thousands of hands played out at once without any detriment in performance. Once enough vital research is honed in on a “pro” can just horde the system like a virus. Can they be beat of course? Do you have enough time to out research them and win consistently, not unless you risk everything to becoming a pro. Do you think you could beat a professional athlete that practices all day every day when despite busting your ass you only play pickup games twice a week at the Y?

    Don’t play with the expectation to win (As trappist said, 85th percentile just to break even), it may lower your entries but you’ll enjoy the game more.

  • tipperi

    There’s several glaring issues that the big sites are well aware of, but simply refuse to address because of how it affects the bottom line. Ever wonder why on DK there’s no filter for Single Entry or 3 max contests? It’s because they need those contest’s to exist, to appear as if they care about the casual player. That’s not REALLY where they want the money going though. Every email you get, every banner at the top of the page, its never for the 12 dollar single entry 3k to first contest, even though that’s the one most casual players should be playing.

    I’ve had to learn the hard way this year that it’s not near as much about the lineups, the research, the builds which is part of why for most its not as much fun. It’s supposed to be about the sport, the players, the game theory, finding value ect. It’s not. It’s about contest selection and making sure you’re rewarded for a good night, rather than just making 1.5x because of bad structures. The variance in the sports hasn’t changed all that much, its just that with sharper lineups all around you it feels as if things are more random than ever, because the bad break for you means there is a lineup (or a thousand) lurking taking advantage of that exact situation that just cost you big.

    I think the hardest thing for DFS players, including myself, is accepting the fact that what you may be most profitable and most consistent at is most likely not going to be what you envision. Instead of looking to build a better lineup and changing your research every night, it may be as simple as changing your approach on entries and style of play. Which, is a little bit of a snooze fest.

  • hautalak

    @tipperi said...

    I think the hardest thing for DFS players, including myself, is accepting the fact that what you may be most profitable and most consistent at is most likely not going to be what you envision. Instead of looking to build a better lineup and changing your research every night, it may be as simple as changing your approach on entries and style of play. Which, is a little bit of a snooze fest

    Well said here! I know there are ways I can grind out small wins and sometimes I do that but that’s more when I get desperate to just have an account balance lol

    The thing is I do want to play these contests but want to play them as supplements rather than my featured contests. I will never be able to get out of the GPP mindset even though I’ve had successes when playing h2hs and some cash game supplements. I just don’t have the BR (well I do if I stop playing the GPPs I love).

    So I guess my bottomline is I love building multiple GPP lineups and losing better than I like playing a majority of cash to squeak out an extra couple dollars (even if that is what I usually win for GPPs anyway). I just know that it only takes one of your however many lineups to be profitable on a slate. I’ve won a few small quarter GPPs when all my lineups but one were garbage. And that’s what keeps drawing me back to GPPs.

  • lpdev

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    @hautalak said...

    I will never be able to get out of the GPP mindset

    Me neither…I make too many stupid plays to be good at cash. In the GPP world you can play it off as being wise and contrarian.

  • hautalak

    @lpdev said...

    Me neither…I make too many stupid plays to be good at cash. In the GPP world you can play it off as being wise and contrarian.

    I’ve been known to play some “cash clunkers” in my day. Everything in my head sets up perfect for them and they don’t even see the ball, puck, whatever sport it is. The one lineup thing kinda sucks too lol

  • squidkill

    I lost all my money and ask for Vanilla Gift Cards for Xmas- My wife left me as well. I now grind nickel games in mamas basement –

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  • Smallchimp

    @squidkill said...

    I lost all my money and ask for Vanilla Gift Cards for Xmas- My wife left me as well. I now grind nickel games in mamas basement –

    Damn man, is there a Go Fund Me for you? …or better yet, a place we can only donate food…for reasons…

  • jgAllDay

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    Play at the lowest levels and learn what you’re doing. Most players don’t survive because they chase the big pay days and burn their bankroll before learning the nuances of playing dfs.

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