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  • FanFooBaa

    Question for you grinders – how do you go about mentally preparing for your daily fantasy games? Seems like a strange question, but do you think players like Saahil Sud, ehafner, csuram, etc. have a mental quality that makes them winners? Or is it just deep pockets? Seems to me like it would need to be more than that. I know its crazy, but I tend to find myself in a “rut” or on a losing streak where my general attitude – makes me expect to lose. Maybe that affects my research and thought process when choosing players. Maybe when Im winning and feeling confident Im more apt to take chances and pick a better lineup. How many time have DFS players let it get to them that they “swapped out that first baseman” two minutes before lock and he wound up having two homers? Then they look at the final score and see they “coulda taken down that GPP” had they not made the change. Thats gotta affect future decision making and overall attitude.

    I guess my question is, do any of you have any rituals, or ways you stay positive? I have tried repeating positive/winning statements in my mind, I have tried envisioning exactly what I would do when I “won the milly maker” – and I’ve had some nice wins, but never a huge GPP win. (The most Ive won is $8000 in one NFL weekend) Or do you think a “state of mind” doesnt matter – there are simply “ups and downs” and players play the game on the field regardless of any DFS’ers “state of mind”?

    Looking forward to any thoughts/input you may have!

  • pal

    My prep is set it and forget it. Wait for lineups, check weather, data entry. No rituals, no pep talks, no visualization. I stopped last second swapping a long time ago. I play gpp exclusively— if there is ever a situation where I am torn between two players I roll two lineups. I could see that being an issue with cash game though.

    With all that said, I think that state of mind is incredibly important when gambling. I also play a lot of poker and I do A LOT of what you mentioned above in that game. But for whatever reason, I don’t need it with DFS. I don’t tilt, I don’t chase.

  • AssaniFisher

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    I don’t think my state of mind affects me in the decision-making moment(i.e. “I normally would take Player A based upon the research I’ve done, but I’ve been losing a ton lately so f*ck it lets go with Player B today”). However, I do think my state of mind absolutely affects the amount of work I put into researching and learning. And I would say that I actually find it tougher to properly control this when I’m in the middle of a winning streak. Losing sucks, and when I’m in the middle of a losing streak I desperately want it to stop, which results in me being extremely focused on doing better work the next day. When I’m winning, its easy to get complacent and forget how necessary hard work is.

    Succeeding at the mental side of DFS isn’t that different from succeeding at the mental game of life. All the stuff you know you should be doing…thats what you need to be doing. Getting good sleep, eating healthy foods, exercising, meditating/self-reflection, maintaining healthy relationships, surrounding yourself with positive people, etc.

    Re: statements/visions, I take an opposite approach to your envisioning you won the MM. I try to constantly remind myself that the human brain is flawed when it comes to properly understanding variance and not being overly results oriented. I attempt to focus my mind on playing well without any concern for the results. During my very worst losing streaks, I remind myself that “How do you handle the insanely bad runs of luck?” is one factor in determining who is the best DFS player and this is an opportunity to work on that aspect of my game.

  • escot4

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    @AssaniFisher said...

    I don’t think my state of mind affects me in the decision-making moment(i.e. “I normally would take Player A based upon the research I’ve done, but I’ve been losing a ton lately so f*ck it lets go with Player B today”). However, I do think my state of mind absolutely affects the amount of work I put into researching and learning. And I would say that I actually find it tougher to properly control this when I’m in the middle of a winning streak. Losing sucks, and when I’m in the middle of a losing streak I desperately want it to stop, which results in me being extremely focused on doing better work the next day. When I’m winning, its easy to get complacent and forget how necessary hard work is.

    Succeeding at the mental side of DFS isn’t that different from succeeding at the mental game of life. All the stuff you know you should be doing…thats what you need to be doing. Getting good sleep, eating healthy foods, exercising, meditating/self-reflection, maintaining healthy relationships, surrounding yourself with positive people, etc.

    Re: statements/visions, I take an opposite approach to your envisioning you won the MM. I try to constantly remind myself that the human brain is flawed when it comes to properly understanding variance and not being overly results oriented. I attempt to focus my mind on playing well without any concern for the results. During my very worst losing streaks, I remind myself that “How do you handle the insanely bad runs of luck?” is one factor in determining who is the best DFS player and this is an opportunity to work on that aspect of my game.

    Awesome response.

  • jr1886

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    @escot4 said...

    Awesome response.

    Couldn’t agree more

  • FanFooBaa

    @AssaniFisher said...

    I don’t think my state of mind affects me in the decision-making moment(i.e. “I normally would take Player A based upon the research I’ve done, but I’ve been losing a ton lately so f*ck it lets go with Player B today”). However, I do think my state of mind absolutely affects the amount of work I put into researching and learning. And I would say that I actually find it tougher to properly control this when I’m in the middle of a winning streak. Losing sucks, and when I’m in the middle of a losing streak I desperately want it to stop, which results in me being extremely focused on doing better work the next day. When I’m winning, its easy to get complacent and forget how necessary hard work is.

    Succeeding at the mental side of DFS isn’t that different from succeeding at the mental game of life. All the stuff you know you should be doing…thats what you need to be doing. Getting good sleep, eating healthy foods, exercising, meditating/self-reflection, maintaining healthy relationships, surrounding yourself with positive people, etc.

    Re: statements/visions, I take an opposite approach to your envisioning you won the MM. I try to constantly remind myself that the human brain is flawed when it comes to properly understanding variance and not being overly results oriented. I attempt to focus my mind on playing well without any concern for the results. During my very worst losing streaks, I remind myself that “How do you handle the insanely bad runs of luck?” is one factor in determining who is the best DFS player and this is an opportunity to work on that aspect of my game.

    Pal and Assani I TRULY appreciate both of your responses. I asked this question because I knew that the few players who do this for a living, truly have a mental game worth discussing. Like anything, working hard and doing your homework is the answer. I feel like I have worked hard in both NFL and NBA and seen some great results, but MLB just feels to me like no matter how much work I put in – the results are completely random and have little correlation with my research —- and Ive done dozens of 6-8 hours research days that had zero payoff this MLB season. When I lose at NFL and NBA, I’m like “on to next week” and but when I KEEP losing over and over again at MLB – I’m like “this shit is whack!” I think my mental game will be stronger if I just stop playing MLB haha

  • thehazyone

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    Just wanted to say great response Assani – thanks.

  • pal

    Interesting… I only win MLB and bleed out money on football and NBA. I just try to keep it small on the games I stink at and just dink around for fun.

  • mellofellowsu

    @FanFooBaa said...

    Question for you grinders – how do you go about mentally preparing for your daily fantasy games? Seems like a strange question, but do you think players like Saahil Sud, ehafner, csuram, etc. have a mental quality that makes them winners? Or is it just deep pockets? Seems to me like it would need to be more than that

    I believe it is more than that. Money is a means to an end, but if you don’t know what to do with those means you won’t accomplish anything.

    The mental side really is that last wall between winning and losing. It’s the biggest wall too and where a lot of us falter. It’s the biggest part of DFS period IMO. Kudos to you, you’re definitely on the right track just by having this conversation. We all struggle at times. The forever losers are the ones that say “I don’t win because I don’t have the money that _______ has.” Nothing but excuse making.

    To answer your question, I think the most successful are naturally analytical, probabilistic, even keeled types. I believe all you can do is follow a solid process, put in the work and let the chips fall where they may.

  • chess_is_ok

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    I agree with Assani. For me, there is also a clear mental element when it comes to performance in the last hour or so before set (especially for NBA). Often my roster set can be quite elastic to assumptions that I make and announcements teams make right before tipoff. Making the same choices when the pressure is on that you would out-of-game is worth a lot.

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