MAIN FORUM

Comments

  • DFSAccountable

    On the GuruElite show on SiriusXM today, Jeff Mans is talking about a rift that occurred on Twitter with regards to he and Ted Schuster posting their lineup on Twitter for all to see and use. Apparently this led to people getting angry that they did this, claiming it’s a Terms of Service violation for DraftKings and that it’s somehow hypocritical to do this.

    This is insanity.

    This industry doesn’t need less disclosure, it needs more disclosure and accountability.

    Information providers like GuruElite, RotoGrinders, FantasyLabs, DailyRoto, and many, many more are information “brokers.” Much like Wall St. stock brokers and research houses, these info providers are providing valuable research and advice to their “clients.” There is a reasonable expectation given the quid pro quo relationship that customers will act on this advice.

    If anything, there needs to be MORE accountabilty, not less.

    Information providers should be required to have their personal accounts audited by an independent 3rd party to prove that they are acting in concert with the advice they give. Their quarterly returns should be disclosed for all of their customers to see and decide if they still want to pay for the advice/research.

    The idea that DraftKings would prohibit this kind of disclosure is madness and the reason they have stuggled so mightily on the regulatory front. If they have this attitude and think their legal issues are behind them, they are sorely mistaken.

    Follow the lead of the financial markets.

    Stop cherrypicking your results when you talk about them (looking at you TommyG).

    Disclose your lineups and results, every day.

    Let the market decide based on the quality of your services and the context of your returns whether to continue paying you.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @dcolton76 said...

    You can’t see the difference between a half hour exercise of building a line-up, on a livecast, where in the end the hosts say, “this is how we build out line ups, and this line up we will play”. and a service that just gives away line ups, or worse, sells them? Jeff does not “give out” line ups.

    That exercise can just as easily be done AFTER the game slate locks for the evening and would have the exact same value. Here is my cash game lineup tonight and how I arrived at this lineup. I am really surprised content providers do not do this as I think it would have tremendous value for new/novice players.

    But consistently doing it before the game slate locks would allow users to potentially play that exact lineup (that Jeff is playing) in contests through no work/thought of their own. All i was stating was that the activity is against DraftKings rules.

  • kb32dawgs

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    That exercise can just as easily be done AFTER the game slate locks for the evening and would have the exact same value. Here is my cash game lineup tonight and how I arrived at this lineup. I am really surprised content providers do not do this as I think it would have tremendous value for new/novice players.

    But consistently doing it before the game slate locks would allow users to potentially play that exact lineup (that Jeff is playing) in contests through no work/thought of their own. All i was stating was that the activity is against DraftKings rules.

    How is all this any different from just plugging in optimizer lineups with very little thought process at all? And every tout site has an optimizer. I can one click here for FD and generate 100 lineups without doing a single bit of research.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @kb32dawgs said...

    How is all this any different from just plugging in optimizer lineups with very little thought process at all? And every tout site has an optimizer. I can one click here for FD and generate 100 lineups without doing a single bit of research.

    Fanduel does not have this rule. DraftKings does. All optimizer sites that create lineups for DraftKings are supposed to make the user lock in/input at least 2 players I believe. If any tout site or optimizer provides a full lineup in any form, it is against the rules at DraftKings.

    Personally I think Rotogrinders should make the same change to their optimizer for Fanduel as well.

  • Jvanspro

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    That exercise can just as easily be done AFTER the game slate locks for the evening and would have the exact same value. Here is my cash game lineup tonight and how I arrived at this lineup. I am really surprised content providers do not do this as I think it would have tremendous value for new/novice players.

    But consistently doing it before the game slate locks would allow users to potentially play that exact lineup (that Jeff is playing) in contests through no work/thought of their own. All i was stating was that the activity is against DraftKings rules.

    I don’t agree with this at all. It has way more value to the consumer the way they did it. I love the transparency they show and wish there was more transparency among content providers as well as sites.

    This is much different then selling lineup on twitter. DK seems fine with that though. Nothing is ever done.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @Jvanspro said...

    I don’t agree with this at all. It has way more value to the consumer the way they did it. I love the transparency they show and wish there was more transparency among content providers as well as sites.

    It only has more value to the consumer because most consumers subscribe to tout sites because they just want to see the best plays for the day. But if it is truly about learning and teaching the process behind building an actual lineup, it is no different whether it is done before the game slate locks or right after it.

  • ebsteelers

    @DFSAccountable said...

    On the GuruElite show on SiriusXM today, Jeff Mans is talking about a rift that occurred on Twitter with regards to he and Ted Schuster posting their lineup on Twitter for all to see and use. Apparently this led to people getting angry that they did this, claiming it’s a Terms of Service violation for DraftKings and that it’s somehow hypocritical to do this.

    This is insanity.

    This industry doesn’t need less disclosure, it needs more disclosure and accountability.

    Information providers like GuruElite, RotoGrinders, FantasyLabs, DailyRoto, and many, many more are information “brokers.” Much like Wall St. stock brokers and research houses, these info providers are providing valuable research and advice to their “clients.” There is a reasonable expectation given the quid pro quo relationship that customers will act on this advice.

    If anything, there needs to be MORE accountabilty, not less.

    Information providers should be required to have their personal accounts audited by an independent 3rd party to prove that they are acting in concert with the advice they give. Their quarterly returns should be disclosed for all of their customers to see and decide if they still want to pay for the advice/research.

    The idea that DraftKings would prohibit this kind of disclosure is madness and the reason they have stuggled so mightily on the regulatory front. If they have this attitude and think their legal issues are behind them, they are sorely mistaken.

    Follow the lead of the financial markets.

    Stop cherrypicking your results when you talk about them (looking at you TommyG).

    Disclose your lineups and results, every day.

    Let the market decide based on the quality of your services and the context of your returns whether to continue paying you.

    any reason your specific calling out TommyG ? i always kind of figured they all tout their big scores, or show their “winnings” amount but dont mention how much was in play

  • Heterodox

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    It only has more value to the consumer because most consumers subscribe to tout sites because they just want to see the best plays for the day. But if it is truly about learning and teaching the process behind building an actual lineup, it is no different whether it is done before the game slate locks or right after it.

    100% agree. Touts are incredibly disingenuous when they pay lip service to teaching process, when all anyone really wants are the picks, and there’s no reason using a past slate should be any less valuable than a current one, unless your intent is to give subs an actual viable lineup.

    Also, I will never understand the cult of Tommy G. Nothing against him. Just don’t get people’s tendency to want to hero-worship, or to want to white-knight for people and businesses they have no personal or financial affiliation with. Has kb32dawgs figured out that the guy he was responding to was talking about RG’s lineup builder show, and not Guru Elite’s, yet?

    It was an unexpected twist to have that situation presented as a new standard for transparency in the industry. I thought all Mans did was put his foot in his mouth by promoting himself in a stupid way, and then doubled down on the stupidity by claiming free speech. (I mean, really? Yes, you can say whatever you want. That doesn’t shield you from the consequences when your speech is an admission of wrongdoing. Come on.) And the people “attacking” him (I put that in quotes because they were some of the most restrained and disingenuous attacks imaginable, presumably because of a glass-house situation, don’t throw rocks, just pebbles, and do so gently), at least one of whom is probably the smarmiest fuck in DFS, were from competing sites. At the same time, transparency, and learning exercises, should be possible without violating rules, and without violating the spirit and integrity of competitions.

  • jackflak55

    Is it possible that a lot of touts simply put lineups out there in order to drive ownership away from players they like?

  • mambaland

    I think if your claiming to be a pro you should have to post your 1099 info same if your a so called advice giver on any site or podcast. And if you sell optimizer lineups etc. Lets get as transparent as we can.

    The standard argument is build better lineups

  • timusbr

    @DFSAccountable said...

    “I think the OP should be accountable for disclosing his other RG username. Not a chance these are your first two posts ever.”

    I can only ask that you evaluate me based on the merits of what I’ve written. I will also tell you that I have absolutely no affiliation with any DFS company, info provider, etc. I am just a player who values transparency and accountability and think the industry needs to mature a bit on these issues.

    Sorry dude, you cant claim wanting disclosure but not giving it yourself…..
    what motivates you!!!
    oh right belief in other human beings being good and your invaluble service for the good of mankind.

    Just sayin

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

Subforum Index

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ/WV/PA/MI), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-888-532-3500 (VA) or call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN).