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  • lpdev

    So I’m enjoying my night winning 1st in the Four Seamer and several other contest with a lineup having Betts, Benintendi, and Martinez that all homered prior to the delay. Then all of a sudden with the PPD all my points from their homers got wiped out and their score goes to zero. I get that they can’t accrue points when the game is played in the future. Why do the points they accrued prior the delay get wiped out. That seems like a tacky way to handle things. It seems more than fair that I should be allowed the points that were accrued prior to the PPD. Any thoughts? I don’t think I have ever been this frustrated about the way something is handled in DFS….

  • atfrost

    • Blogger of the Month

    Weather is a well-known risk in baseball going into it and DK’s guidelines are clearly stated. Your strategy was an excellent GPP strategy… but that’s it. It was just a GPP strategy that didn’t pan out. It sucks, but it is what it is. Their stats are not finalized stats with the MLB therefore they don’t count today. Waiting until they count would tie up people’s money (making it not “one day”) and if they let them count it would be fake stats.

  • stlcardinals84

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    It’s not the way DFS handles it. It’s the way MLB handles it.

    This game will be restarted from scratch when it is rescheduled. The complete 5-0 score is wiped as though it never started, and that has to be how it is scored in DFS.

  • lpdev

    I should have just checked my lineups in the morning. That’s what I get for having the evening off to watch baseball. I guess the players lose their stats too? That sucks for them.

  • Supersharpie

    @lpdev said...

    I should have just checked my lineups in the morning. That’s what I get for having the evening off to watch baseball. I guess the players lose their stats too? That sucks for them.

    Yes indeed, MLB treats the game like it never happened.

  • bigez952

    It is all about DK getting their stats from a third party stat provider and using official MLB stats. A game has to complete 5 innings to become official and if it doesn’t all the players stats get reset as if it never happened. This policy is also very clearly spelled out in DK’s MLB scoring section so any late inning rain threat game is a risk if the rain hits before the teams complete the 5th.

  • webbm1

    I didn’t play that slate but I’d have faded that game completely after seeing Roth’s forecast.

  • clrockny24

    imagine if one of those players broke the home run record… and then the game gets postponed

  • Supersharpie

    @clrockny24 said...

    imagine if one of those players broke the home run record… and then the game gets postponed

    Given those circumstances the game would either:

    A. Have never been started

    B. Have been resumed, even if it meant waiting until 1:00 a.m. to do so.

  • lpdev

    Thanks for the replies and clearing this up. I see now the stats can’t count because they are wiped out. I had initially assumed they would just resume the game from the point it was at when it stopped. Did some research. Apparently they do keep the stats and resume the game in certain scenarios (called Suspended games). A game would be suspended in this scenario in the postseason or if it had ‘significance’ to the postseason.

  • hcassidy

    @lpdev said...

    Thanks for the replies and clearing this up. I see now the stats can’t count because they are wiped out. I had initially assumed they would just resume the game from the point it was at when it stopped. Did some research. Apparently they do keep the stats and resume the game in certain scenarios (called Suspended games). A game would be suspended in this scenario in the postseason or if it had ‘significance’ to the postseason.

    Also keep in mind, since you mentioned ‘Suspended Games’ had that game last night went 4 1/2 innings then it could of been listed as ‘Suspended’ and not a PPD. Then those HR’s would have counted towards your DFS as the Red Sox were the away team.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    ^
    It wouldn’t have been suspended in that scenario either.
    Games are suspended if they are tied after 5 innings, so basically they’ve reached the requirement to be “official” but there’s no winner to declare. And I believe also if you’ve gone past 5 and the Away team takes the lead in the inning right before the game is ppd.
    For that game to have had anything other than a PPD after 4 1/2, it would have needed the Orioles to be ahead, making it official and a win for them.

    Baltimore really F’d things up last night. Really the entire series. It was an embarrassment.
    And the most shocking thing to me personally last night, when checking Roth’s account/updates, was I couldn’t believe how many people had no idea how baseball delay’s/postponements, etc. work.

  • lpdev

    What happens in this scenario… The visiting team is winning 1-0. They scored their one run in the first inning. It’s now the bottom of the sixth inning. The home team has a runner on third and no outs. They have to call the game due to weather at this point. How does it go down? I’d assume the visiting team is awarded a win there since it doesn’t meet the criteria for suspension?

  • FantasyDraftSupport

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    @lpdev said...

    So I’m enjoying my night winning 1st in the Four Seamer and several other contest with a lineup having Betts, Benintendi, and Martinez that all homered prior to the delay. Then all of a sudden with the PPD all my points from their homers got wiped out and their score goes to zero. I get that they can’t accrue points when the game is played in the future. Why do the points they accrued prior the delay get wiped out. That seems like a tacky way to handle things. It seems more than fair that I should be allowed the points that were accrued prior to the PPD. Any thoughts? I don’t think I have ever been this frustrated about the way something is handled in DFS….

    On FantasyDraft, you would have received those points.

    Per our rules:

    As part of our mission to keep #PlayersFirst, any statistics accumulated during the contest window will count, regardless of whether the game/round is suspended or postponed. For clarity, any games suspended and resumed during the contest window, or postponed to a later date inside the contest window, will score based on all statistics generated during the contest window. Likewise if a game is partially played before the MLB, NBA, NHL or the NFL declare a game as suspended or postponed, and is completed outside the contest window, any statistics generated during the contest window will still be counted.

  • gaelicgirl

    @FantasyDraftSupport said...

    On FantasyDraft, you would have received those points.

    Per our rules:

    As part of our mission to keep #PlayersFirst, any statistics accumulated during the contest window will count, regardless of whether the game/round is suspended or postponed. For clarity, any games suspended and resumed during the contest window, or postponed to a later date inside the contest window, will score based on all statistics generated during the contest window. Likewise if a game is partially played before the MLB, NBA, NHL or the NFL declare a game as suspended or postponed, and is completed outside the contest window, any statistics generated during the contest window will still be counted.

    You make a compelling case for your site. Do you offer late swap for NBA contests?

  • bigez952

    @lpdev said...

    What happens in this scenario… The visiting team is winning 1-0. They scored their one run in the first inning. It’s now the bottom of the sixth inning. The home team has a runner on third and no outs. They have to call the game due to weather at this point. How does it go down? I’d assume the visiting team is awarded a win there since it doesn’t meet the criteria for suspension?

    If the game is past the 5th and a team is winning they can just end the game and credit the visiting team with a win. Home teams usually make the call to PPD games so if they were in that situation they probably would try to get the game resumed.

  • FantasyDraftSupport

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    @gaelicgirl said...

    You make a compelling case for your site. Do you offer late swap for NBA contests?

    Thanks!

    As of now we will not be implementing late swap for NBA.

  • lpdev

    @FantasyDraftSupport said...

    On FantasyDraft, you would have received those points.

    Per our rules:

    As part of our mission to keep #PlayersFirst, any statistics accumulated during the contest window will count, regardless of whether the game/round is suspended or postponed. For clarity, any games suspended and resumed during the contest window, or postponed to a later date inside the contest window, will score based on all statistics generated during the contest window. Likewise if a game is partially played before the MLB, NBA, NHL or the NFL declare a game as suspended or postponed, and is completed outside the contest window, any statistics generated during the contest window will still be counted.

    I like this. That policy seems way more reasonable.

  • madmanjayWV

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    It’s not the way DFS handles it. It’s the way MLB handles it.

    This game will be restarted from scratch when it is rescheduled. The complete 5-0 score is wiped as though it never started, and that has to be how it is scored in DFS.

    It is the way DFS handles it, 100%.

    There’s nothing stopping any DFS company to let partial games that don’t count on the MLB schedule/standings or stats from not counting on their slate.

    AKA — c FantasyDraft (composed that b4 seeing the FD Support note)

  • DraftKings_CM

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    @stlcardinals84 said...

    It’s the way MLB handles it.

    This game will be restarted from scratch when it is rescheduled. The complete 5-0 score is wiped as though it never started, and that has to be how it is scored in DFS.

    We agree, with one tiny correction – it’s the way it should be scored in DFS. That is why we have this policy, it’s the most fair for all.

    Could you imagine the outcry from players who were not affected if we allocated the fantasy points earned prior to the PPD – even though MLB does not view the PPD’ed game as official? We would be accused of falsifying stats – the majority of our users would not like that.

    This policy is also very clearly spelled out in DK’s MLB scoring section so any late inning rain threat game is a risk if the rain hits before the teams complete the 5th.

    That is correct. Games are “known” to be canceled or postponed once their status is updated as such by DraftKings’ MLB stats-provider, STATS LLC. https://www.draftkings.com/help/rules/mlb

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • Jk1492

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    @DraftKings_CM said...

    We agree, with one tiny correction – it’s the way it should be scored in DFS. That is why we have this policy, it’s the most fair for all.

    Could you imagine the outcry from players who were not affected if we allocated the fantasy points earned prior to the PPD – even though MLB does not view the PPD’ed game as official? We would be accused of falsifying stats – the majority of our users would not like that.

    This policy is also very clearly spelled out in DK’s MLB scoring section so any late inning rain threat game is a risk if the rain hits before the teams complete the 5th.

    That is correct. Games are “known” to be canceled or postponed once their status is updated as such by DraftKings’ MLB stats-provider, STATS LLC. https://www.draftkings.com/help/rules/mlb

    - DraftKings Community Team

    So….why do you count points in golf for holes played prior to a withdrawal? No scorecard is signed and the scores are not official.

    I don’t really care since we know ahead of time, but seems inconsistent to me.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @FantasyDraftSupport said...

    Thanks!

    As of now we will not be implementing late swap for NBA.

    When you implement NBA Late Swap you will have a new loyal customer in me. Makes zero sense to have a contest in the 4 major sports where players lock before their game actually starts. If you really are #PlayersFirst you will have Late Swap

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @Jk1492 said...

    So….why do you count points in golf for holes played prior to a withdrawal? No scorecard is signed and the scores are not official.

    I don’t really care since we know ahead of time, but seems inconsistent to me.

    Super inconsistent, if your player scores points let us have credit for them. Just like we should be able to swap out players in a postponed game when the first pitch wasn’t even thrown

  • lpdev

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    it’s the way it should be scored in DFS. That is why we have this policy, it’s the most fair for all.

    This is an opinion stated as a fact. Here is my opinion stated as a fact.

    It’s not the way it should be scored in DFS. Players should get credit for any fantasy points that they accrue during the game prior to it being postponed. This is most fair for all.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @lpdev said...

    This is an opinion stated as a fact. Here is my opinion stated as a fact.

    It’s not the way it should be scored in DFS. Players should get credit for any fantasy points that they accrue during the game prior to it being postponed. This is most fair for all.

    I totally disagree here.. they should not get any stats for a game that doesnt count at all in MLB. People play these rain games full well knowing the risks

  • picklepicklepickle

    MLB should count the stats. MLB should pick up game from point it left off and count the stats/score. And then DFS could easily follow. until then………

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